On Sat, 2012-06-16 at 17:24 +0200, Peter Stuge wrote:
> Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > Also, can we stop using the term "ABI" in reference to this please?
> > It's misleading. Let's call them sub-slots instead.
>
> I think ABI fits well though? The situation is that A DEPENDs on B,
> and at some poin
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Duncan wrote:
>
> Looking at the broader picture, the problem of extraneous packages in the
> world file has always concerned me. If it were to be done over again,
> and I think Zac would likely agree, emerge would use --oneshot by
> default, so as not to contaminate the world file unnecessaril
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On 06/16/2012 08:14 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> Suggested dependencies were used in the old kdebuilds, and Exherbo
> makes extensive use of both suggested and recommended dependencies,
> so there are plenty of examples, spec wording and an implementa
Matthew Summers posted on Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:52:31 -0500 as excerpted:
> Pardon my ignorance, but will we be requires to sign the boot
> loader/kernel on our install media for a Win8 machine to boot the iso?
This was one of the issues covered early on. Unless it has changed, no.
Booting exter
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 11:28 PM, Greg KH wrote:
>
> So, anyone been thinking about this? I have, and it's not pretty.
>
> Should I worry about this and how it affects Gentoo, or not worry about
> Gentoo right now and just focus on the other issues?
>
> Minor details like, "do we have a 'company'
Just picking a random response to reply to. I'm not speaking
officially, however, I'm pretty sure we at Genesi aren't going to pay
Microsoft in order to boot our own boards.
Peter Stuge posted on Sun, 17 Jun 2012 00:16:36 +0200 as excerpted:
> Duncan wrote:
>> users would unmerge ppp if they knew about it when they no longer
>> needed it, but knowing about it is the problem.
>
> Sorry, but what is the connection to a USE flag?
>
> I agree that knowing about it is th
Duncan wrote:
> users would unmerge ppp if they knew about it when they no longer
> needed it, but knowing about it is the problem.
Sorry, but what is the connection to a USE flag?
I agree that knowing about it is the problem. I don't think that
knowing about a package is different from knowing a
Pacho Ramos posted on Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:52:33 +0200 as excerpted:
> What kind of argument is "disk is pretty cheap". I still administrate a
> laptop with a 250GB of disk space, and that space cannot be as large if
> you have a lot of files at home. Also, you are missing that having
> unneeded pa
On 06/16/12 at 11:39AM +0200, Pacho Ramos wrote:
> app-admin/ulogd
> app-arch/pdv
>
>
>
> Feel free to get them
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
I'll take app-admin/ulogd.
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Pacho Ramos posted on Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:30:55 +0200 as excerpted:
>> > 2. If user emerges ppp, it will be recorded in world file and, then,
>> > if in the future he removes bluez, emerge --depclean want clean no
>> > longer needed ppp and then, people end up with a lot of packages they
>> > need
Thomas Sachau posted on Sat, 16 Jun 2012 12:31:40 +0200 as excerpted:
> Since i am not that sure about my ability to write formal specs, i am
> presenting my first draft for further review and suggestions for
> improvement.
Just a format suggestion. Call it nitpicky if you want, and yes, my
cli
On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:49:10 +0200
Pacho Ramos wrote:
> El sáb, 16-06-2012 a las 19:07 +0200, Michał Górny escribió:
> > On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:30:55 +0200
> > Pacho Ramos wrote:
> >
> > > El sáb, 16-06-2012 a las 18:09 +0200, hasufell escribió:
> > > > It breaks the useflag philosophy, IMO.
>
Howdy all,
just for general information the Gentoo KDE team has its monthly public
meeting again next week, to be precise,
#gentoo-meetings on freenode,
thursday, 21 June 2012
19:00 utc
Agenda can be found here (work in progress):
http://git.overlays.gentoo.org/gitweb/?p=proj/kde.git;a=blob;
Pacho Ramos wrote:
> > I guess the point is that it is not really a dependency.
>
> No, it's a dependency only when you want ppp support working,
Logically, but not technically.
I like this separation; the package manager takes care of technical
requirements, and I get to take care of the logica
On 06/16/2012 01:07 AM, Alec Warner wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Mike Frysinger wrote:
>> On Friday 15 June 2012 12:54:16 Michał Górny wrote:
>>> On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 11:11:44 -0400 Michael Orlitzky wrote:
On 06/15/12 09:32, Michał Górny wrote:
> It is a little confusing when
On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:59:18 +0200
Pacho Ramos wrote:
> > Naah. This is one of those things that requires developers to put
> > quite a lot of exta effort in to their packages in order to improve
> > the quality of experience for users, which means it's not going to
> > be suitable for Gentoo's de
El sáb, 16-06-2012 a las 17:46 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh escribió:
> On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:41:51 +0200
> Pacho Ramos wrote:
> > > The :*/:= feature was designed to solve one specific problem: if a
> > > user has foo installed, and foo deps upon bar, and bar:1 is
> > > installed, and the user wants t
El sáb, 16-06-2012 a las 20:55 +0300, Samuli Suominen escribió:
> On 06/16/2012 06:59 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote:
> > This was noticed recently when getting:
> > https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=420569
> >
> > Also hit this problem today while trying to bump bluez and noticed we
> > are using elo
El sáb, 16-06-2012 a las 19:50 +0200, Peter Stuge escribió:
> Pacho Ramos wrote:
> > Also hit this problem today while trying to bump bluez and noticed we
> > are using elog messages to tell people to manually install
> > net-dialup/ppp if they want ppp working with bluez.
> >
> > I am unsure abou
El sáb, 16-06-2012 a las 19:07 +0200, Michał Górny escribió:
> On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:30:55 +0200
> Pacho Ramos wrote:
>
> > El sáb, 16-06-2012 a las 18:09 +0200, hasufell escribió:
> > > It breaks the useflag philosophy, IMO.
> > >
> > > Useflags were meant as switches. You can turn things on a
On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:06:17 +0200
hasufell wrote:
> On 06/16/2012 07:55 PM, Samuli Suominen wrote:
> > why not get this finally entirely out of the way:
> >
> > suggested/recommended dependencies support, like SDEPEND,
> > http://bugs.gentoo.org/327701
> >
> Sounds interesting, but I don't fully
> On Sat, 16 Jun 2012, Sebastian Pipping wrote:
> On 05/10/2012 11:39 AM, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
>> Are there any other licenses besides *GPL and FDL that would
>> require such a file?
>>
>> What do you think?
> The "GPL-2+" file workaround doesn't sound to bad.
> Call be picky, but we could
On 06/16/2012 07:55 PM, Samuli Suominen wrote:
>
> why not get this finally entirely out of the way:
>
> suggested/recommended dependencies support, like SDEPEND,
> http://bugs.gentoo.org/327701
>
> as in, threat them as RDEPEND if user has the option to pull them in
> enabled, otherwise print a
On 06/16/2012 06:59 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote:
This was noticed recently when getting:
https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=420569
Also hit this problem today while trying to bump bluez and noticed we
are using elog messages to tell people to manually install
net-dialup/ppp if they want ppp worki
Pacho Ramos wrote:
> Also hit this problem today while trying to bump bluez and noticed we
> are using elog messages to tell people to manually install
> net-dialup/ppp if they want ppp working with bluez.
>
> I am unsure about the disadvantages of simply using, for example,
> "ppp" USE flag to do
On 05/10/2012 11:39 AM, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
> Are there any other licenses besides *GPL and FDL that would require such a
> file?
>
> What do you think?
The "GPL-2+" file workaround doesn't sound to bad.
Call be picky, but we could actually use a "GPL-3+" file, too. With
that we could distin
On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 09:54:12 +0200
Florian Philipp wrote:
> Am 15.06.2012 06:50, schrieb Duncan:
> > Greg KH posted on Thu, 14 Jun 2012 21:28:10 -0700 as excerpted:
> >
> >> So, anyone been thinking about this? I have, and it's not pretty.
> >>
> >> Should I worry about this and how it affects
On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:30:55 +0200
Pacho Ramos wrote:
> El sáb, 16-06-2012 a las 18:09 +0200, hasufell escribió:
> > It breaks the useflag philosophy, IMO.
> >
> > Useflags were meant as switches. You can turn things on and off.
> > Pulling in optional dependencies via useflags does not allow th
On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:41:51 +0200
Pacho Ramos wrote:
> > The :*/:= feature was designed to solve one specific problem: if a
> > user has foo installed, and foo deps upon bar, and bar:1 is
> > installed, and the user wants to install bar:2 and then uninstall
> > bar:1, will foo break? :* means no,
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On 06/16/2012 06:30 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote:
> El sáb, 16-06-2012 a las 18:09 +0200, hasufell escribió:
>> It breaks the useflag philosophy, IMO.
>>
>> Useflags were meant as switches. You can turn things on and off.
>> Pulling in optional dependencies
El sáb, 16-06-2012 a las 17:24 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh escribió:
> On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:16:34 +0200
> Pacho Ramos wrote:
> > El sáb, 16-06-2012 a las 15:52 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh escribió:
> > > On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:48:20 +0200
> > > Pacho Ramos wrote:
> > > > Regarding the comparison with usi
El sáb, 16-06-2012 a las 18:09 +0200, hasufell escribió:
> It breaks the useflag philosophy, IMO.
>
> Useflags were meant as switches. You can turn things on and off. Pulling
> in optional dependencies via useflags does not allow the user to turn
> something off when he sets USE="-foo" emerge fuqb
On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:16:34 +0200
Pacho Ramos wrote:
> El sáb, 16-06-2012 a las 15:52 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh escribió:
> > On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:48:20 +0200
> > Pacho Ramos wrote:
> > > Regarding the comparison with using only SLOT, the most clear
> > > example of how that solution was a bit wo
On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:24:22 +0200
Peter Stuge wrote:
> Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > > Could it work to make automatic signatures of imported ABI, and
> > > simply compare signatures when a provider package is updated?
> >
> > No.
>
> Can you say why?
There's no way for a program to work out what
It breaks the useflag philosophy, IMO.
Useflags were meant as switches. You can turn things on and off. Pulling
in optional dependencies via useflags does not allow the user to turn
something off when he sets USE="-foo" emerge fuqbar.
That should only be valid for virtuals or meta-packages. And th
This was noticed recently when getting:
https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=420569
Also hit this problem today while trying to bump bluez and noticed we
are using elog messages to tell people to manually install
net-dialup/ppp if they want ppp working with bluez.
I am unsure about the disadva
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > Could it work to make automatic signatures of imported ABI, and
> > simply compare signatures when a provider package is updated?
>
> No.
Can you say why?
> Also, can we stop using the term "ABI" in reference to this please?
> It's misleading. Let's call them sub-slot
El sáb, 16-06-2012 a las 17:16 +0200, Pacho Ramos escribió:
> El sáb, 16-06-2012 a las 15:52 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh escribió:
> > On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:48:20 +0200
> > Pacho Ramos wrote:
> > > Regarding the comparison with using only SLOT, the most clear example
> > > of how that solution was a b
El sáb, 16-06-2012 a las 15:52 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh escribió:
> On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:48:20 +0200
> Pacho Ramos wrote:
> > Regarding the comparison with using only SLOT, the most clear example
> > of how that solution was a bit worse was that glib vs
> > dbus-glib/gobject-introspection handling
On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:06:07 +0200
Peter Stuge wrote:
> Could it work to make automatic signatures of imported ABI, and
> simply compare signatures when a provider package is updated?
No.
Also, can we stop using the term "ABI" in reference to this please?
It's misleading. Let's call them sub-slo
Pacho Ramos wrote:
> What I try to do is to replace the needing of manually rebuilding
> packages after updates due ABI changes
Does this really require explicit ABI information in ebuilds?
Could it work to make automatic signatures of imported ABI, and
simply compare signatures when a provider p
On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:48:20 +0200
Pacho Ramos wrote:
> El sáb, 16-06-2012 a las 15:31 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh escribió:
> > On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:29:09 +0200
> > Pacho Ramos wrote:
> > > I thought last Zac suggestion of ABI_SLOT modified to use
> > > "SLOT=ble/bla" was clear enough and we reach
On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:48:20 +0200
Pacho Ramos wrote:
> Regarding the comparison with using only SLOT, the most clear example
> of how that solution was a bit worse was that glib vs
> dbus-glib/gobject-introspection handling:
> - Using only SLOT with := would end up with we needing to update
> ebu
El sáb, 16-06-2012 a las 15:31 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh escribió:
> On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:29:09 +0200
> Pacho Ramos wrote:
> > I thought last Zac suggestion of ABI_SLOT modified to use
> > "SLOT=ble/bla" was clear enough and we reached a consensus.
>
> Possibly. I'm waiting to see an implementatio
# Pacho Ramos (16 Jun 2012)
# No needed since kernel-3.2, bug#411405#c6
# Removal in a month.
sys-kernel/cluster-sources
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On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:29:09 +0200
Pacho Ramos wrote:
> I thought last Zac suggestion of ABI_SLOT modified to use
> "SLOT=ble/bla" was clear enough and we reached a consensus.
Possibly. I'm waiting to see an implementation, a bunch of examples and
a comparison with just using SLOT and := or :*.
El sáb, 16-06-2012 a las 14:48 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh escribió:
> On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 15:37:44 +0200
> Pacho Ramos wrote:
> > > > About suggesting new item (like forcing rebuilding of other
> > > > packages as discussed some days ago and crosscompile support
> > > > suggested by Tommy today), I gu
# Pacho Ramos (16 Jun 2012)
# Bundles unsecure libexpat, all packages still needing it
# are dead, orphan and have replacements. See bug #251433.
# Removal in 30 days.
net-libs/libtlen
net-im/gnugadu
net-im/tleenx2
# Pacho Ramos (16 Jun 2012)
# Bundles python-2.3 and other libs affected by secur
On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 15:37:44 +0200
Pacho Ramos wrote:
> > > About suggesting new item (like forcing rebuilding of other
> > > packages as discussed some days ago and crosscompile support
> > > suggested by Tommy today), I guess we need to get them voted by
> > > the council?
> >
> > No. You need
El sáb, 16-06-2012 a las 13:43 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh escribió:
> On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 14:26:16 +0200
> Pacho Ramos wrote:
> > OK, would you let me to create a tracker bug for eapi5 accepted item?
>
> No. We're working on the PMS list. We don't need yet another place to
> look.
>
> > About sugges
On 16.06.2012 14:26, Pacho Ramos wrote:
> El sáb, 16-06-2012 a las 14:12 +0200, Ulrich Mueller escribió:
>>> On Sat, 16 Jun 2012, Pacho Ramos wrote:
>>
>>> I would like to know if there is some place where things going to be
>>> included (or proposed to be included) for eapi5 are listed (if suc
On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 14:26:16 +0200
Pacho Ramos wrote:
> OK, would you let me to create a tracker bug for eapi5 accepted item?
No. We're working on the PMS list. We don't need yet another place to
look.
> About suggesting new item (like forcing rebuilding of other packages
> as discussed some day
El sáb, 16-06-2012 a las 14:12 +0200, Ulrich Mueller escribió:
> > On Sat, 16 Jun 2012, Pacho Ramos wrote:
>
> > I would like to know if there is some place where things going to be
> > included (or proposed to be included) for eapi5 are listed (if such
> > place exists). Currently, looks like
> On Sat, 16 Jun 2012, Pacho Ramos wrote:
> I would like to know if there is some place where things going to be
> included (or proposed to be included) for eapi5 are listed (if such
> place exists). Currently, looks like there is no eapi5 tracker :-/
The PMS git repository has an eapi-5 deve
On 06/16/2012 01:05 PM, Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote:
Le vendredi 15 juin 2012 à 21:04 +0200, Pacho Ramos a écrit :
El vie, 15-06-2012 a las 09:03 +0200, Pacho Ramos escribió:
El mar, 12-06-2012 a las 23:02 -0400, Mike Frysinger escribió:
i've noticed a growing trend where people put setup of v
On 12.06.2012 19:55, Justin wrote:
> Hi,
>
> these days still FFLAGS and FCFLAGS are unset by default.
> Any objections to to default to CFLAGS of the profile equally to CXXFLAGS?
>
>
> Thanks justin
>
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On 06/16/2012 02:21 PM, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
Anything build-time related should not be placed into pkg_setup (I am
That is propably not very accurate statement, like with placing the call
to `enewuser` when you need the user at src_configure(), src_compile() etc.
pointing the finger to th
Anything build-time related should not be placed into pkg_setup (I am
pointing the finger to those build-related die() that are breaking
binpkgs support). There's src_prepare() and src_configure() nowadays.
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El sáb, 16-06-2012 a las 13:13 +0200, Agostino Sarubbo escribió:
> On Saturday 16 June 2012 12:55:22 Pacho Ramos wrote:
> > Hello
> >
> > I would like to know if there is some place where things going to be
> > included (or proposed to be included) for eapi5 are listed (if such
> > place exists).
On Saturday 16 June 2012 12:55:22 Pacho Ramos wrote:
> Hello
>
> I would like to know if there is some place where things going to be
> included (or proposed to be included) for eapi5 are listed (if such
> place exists). Currently, looks like there is no eapi5 tracker :-/
>
> Thanks a lot for the
Hello
I would like to know if there is some place where things going to be
included (or proposed to be included) for eapi5 are listed (if such
place exists). Currently, looks like there is no eapi5 tracker :-/
Thanks a lot for the info :)
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Since i am not that sure about my ability to write formal specs, i am
presenting my first draft for further review and suggestions for
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For amd64 users, there is sometimes the issue, that they need 32bit libs for
certain packages (e.g.
wine
Le vendredi 15 juin 2012 à 21:04 +0200, Pacho Ramos a écrit :
> El vie, 15-06-2012 a las 09:03 +0200, Pacho Ramos escribió:
> > El mar, 12-06-2012 a las 23:02 -0400, Mike Frysinger escribió:
> > > i've noticed a growing trend where people put setup of variables into
> > > pkg_setup that only matte
app-admin/ulogd
app-arch/pdv
Feel free to get them
Thanks
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On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> I think that anybody that really cares about security should be
> running in custom mode anyway, and should just re-sign anything they
> want to run. Custom mode lets you clear every single key in the
> system from the vendor on down, and giv
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> net-misc/balance
i'll take this one
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Am 16.06.2012 01:59, schrieb Greg KH:
> On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 09:49:01AM +0200, Florian Philipp wrote:
>> Am 15.06.2012 09:26, schrieb Michał Górny:
>>> On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 21:56:04 -0700 Greg KH wrote:
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 10:15:28AM +0530, Arun Raghavan wrote:
> On 15 June 2012 09:
net-misc/balance
x11-themes/gentoo-artwork
Feel free to get them
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On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> On Friday 15 June 2012 12:54:16 Michał Górny wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 11:11:44 -0400 Michael Orlitzky wrote:
>> > On 06/15/12 09:32, Michał Górny wrote:
>> > > It is a little confusing when the function reports .a removal when
>> > > no
On 16 June 2012 03:52, Pacho Ramos wrote:
> The following packages are now orphan:
> app-emulation/playonlinux
> app-emulation/vboxgtk
> dev-libs/xmlrpc-epi
> dev-util/bam
> media-libs/pnglite
> media-video/miro
> net-misc/plowshare
>
> Feel free to get them
>
> Thanks
>
>
media-video/miro taken
The following packages are now orphan:
app-emulation/playonlinux
app-emulation/vboxgtk
dev-libs/xmlrpc-epi
dev-util/bam
media-libs/pnglite
media-video/miro
net-misc/plowshare
Feel free to get them
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