Re: [gentoo-dev] FEATURES="stricter" as a default in developer profile not the best idea

2011-09-18 Thread Rafael Goncalves Martins
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 9:42 PM, "Paweł Hajdan, Jr." wrote: > TLDR: Let's remove FEATURES="stricter" from developer profile, I bet > most people have it disabled anyway and it doesn't seem useful. > Really, I disabled it. +1 Regards, -- Rafael Goncalves Martins Gentoo Linux developer http://r

Re: [gentoo-dev] new `usex` helper

2011-09-18 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 04:22 Sun 18 Sep , Brian Harring wrote: > On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 10:59:08PM -0500, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > > On 13:43 Fri 16 Sep , Brian Harring wrote: > > > What I said from the getgo and you're missing is that pushing EAPI > > > implementation into the tree and ignoring EAPI, or hav

[gentoo-dev] Automated Package Removal and Addition Tracker, for the week ending 2011-09-18 23h59 UTC

2011-09-18 Thread Robin H. Johnson
The attached list notes all of the packages that were added or removed from the tree, for the week ending 2011-09-18 23h59 UTC. Removals: net-libs/libicq2000 2011-09-13 11:39:24 pacho app-portage/meatoo 2011-09-13 11:43:33 pacho app-editors/conglome

Re: [gentoo-dev] Please don't use IUSE=static-libs unless really necessary

2011-09-18 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Sunday, September 18, 2011 18:16:30 Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 2:25 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > > '$(use_enable static-libs static)' themselves. While at it, it may be > > better to just drop the flag if no other package relies on it and no > > user has ever requested the st

Re: [gentoo-dev] euscan proof of concept (like debian's uscan)

2011-09-18 Thread Paweł Hajdan, Jr.
On 3/21/11 1:24 AM, Corentin Chary wrote: > I recently started working on a small gentoo utility named "euscan" > (for Ebuild Upstream Scan) > For those who don't know debian's uscan, it allows to scan upstream > for new versions. It's used by packages.qa.debian.org (example: > http://packages.qa.d

Re: [gentoo-dev] Please don't use IUSE=static-libs unless really necessary

2011-09-18 Thread Nirbheek Chauhan
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 2:25 AM, Michał Górny wrote: [snip] > '$(use_enable static-libs static)' themselves. While at it, it may be > better to just drop the flag if no other package relies on it and no > user has ever requested the static build of that package. > I don't see any harm with includ

[gentoo-dev] [PATCH autotools-utils] Deprecate automagic $(use_enable static-libs static).

2011-09-18 Thread Michał Górny
--- eclass/autotools-utils.eclass | 24 1 files changed, 16 insertions(+), 8 deletions(-) diff --git a/eclass/autotools-utils.eclass b/eclass/autotools-utils.eclass index 76ad6fc..489efd9 100644 --- a/eclass/autotools-utils.eclass +++ b/eclass/autotools-utils.eclass @@

[gentoo-dev] Please don't use IUSE=static-libs unless really necessary

2011-09-18 Thread Michał Górny
Hello all, Considering that the 'magical IUSE check' in autotools-utils (and a few other eclasses) is considered broken, and taking Diego's word [1], I'd like to ask you to reconsider your uses of IUSE=static-libs. To be honest, I'd like to remove that magic soon which means that all ebuilds need

Re: [gentoo-dev] udev and /usr

2011-09-18 Thread Zac Medico
On 09/18/2011 07:27 AM, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: > You mean that no Linux users, in particular anyone not running or not > wanting to run GNOME and Fedora, shouldn't be worried about the way > some people in the GNOME and Fedora community seem intent to impose > their ways to everyone else

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: udev and /usr

2011-09-18 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: > Joost Roeleveld posted on Sun, 18 Sep 2011 17:22:42 +0200 as excerpted: > > I don't see any added benefit from using DBUS on my servers. > > Interesting question. I hadn't seen the suggestion until this thread, > either, and

[gentoo-dev] Re: udev and /usr

2011-09-18 Thread Duncan
Joost Roeleveld posted on Sun, 18 Sep 2011 17:22:42 +0200 as excerpted: > On Saturday, September 17, 2011 06:40:03 PM Robin H. Johnson wrote: >> On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 10:36:27AM +0200, Joost Roeleveld wrote: >> (The other reason I think systemd and udev might merge at some point, >> or at least

Re: [gentoo-dev] Fwd: [gentoo-dev-announce] Call for items for September 13 council meeting

2011-09-18 Thread Zac Medico
On 09/18/2011 07:20 AM, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: > What other meanings could it have? What would be the problem with > moving the package use flag masks from package.use.mask to package.mask? As Ciaran said, these two kinds of masks give two very different behaviors that are not interchan

Re: [gentoo-dev] udev and /usr

2011-09-18 Thread Nirbheek Chauhan
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 7:57 PM, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: > On 18-09-2011 12:59, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: >> I'm astonished by the large amount of misinformation that is being >> spread around about systemd. If this originated on the gentoo-user >> mailing list, I'm disappointed that Gento

Re: [gentoo-dev] Fwd: [gentoo-dev-announce] Call for items for September 13 council meeting

2011-09-18 Thread Nirbheek Chauhan
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 7:50 PM, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: > As we're talking about updating profiles EAPI, what do we need to get > to be able to mask use flags for the stable tree, but not the testing > tree? What's wrong with versioned masking of use-flags? The fact that they have to b

Re: [gentoo-dev] Fwd: [gentoo-dev-announce] Call for items for September 13 council meeting

2011-09-18 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sep 18, 2011 12:05 PM, "Ciaran McCreesh" wrote: > On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 14:20:34 + > "Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto" wrote: > > As we're talking about updating profiles EAPI, what do we need to get > > to be able to mask use flags for the stable tree, but not the testing > > tree? > > Every tim

Re: [gentoo-dev] Fwd: [gentoo-dev-announce] Call for items for September 13 council meeting

2011-09-18 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 14:20:34 + "Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto" wrote: > > For example, people might think they can start masking > > cat/pkg[flag]. Is this a replacement for package.use.mask or does > > it mean something else? I have a sneaking suspi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Fwd: [gentoo-dev-announce] Call for items for September 13 council meeting

2011-09-18 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 16:47:14 +0200 Michał Górny wrote: > > For example, people might think they can start masking > > cat/pkg[flag]. Is this a replacement for package.use.mask or does > > it mean something else? I have a sneaking suspicion that if there's > > not a policy saying "no use deps in pr

Re: [gentoo-dev] udev and /usr

2011-09-18 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Saturday, September 17, 2011 06:40:03 PM Robin H. Johnson wrote: > On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 10:36:27AM +0200, Joost Roeleveld wrote: > (The other reason I think systemd and udev might merge at some point, or > at least have good IPC between them, because there is a potential for > speed gains the

Re: [gentoo-dev] udev and /usr

2011-09-18 Thread Michał Górny
On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 14:27:02 + "Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto" wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 18-09-2011 12:59, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: > > On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 6:19 PM, Michał Górny > > wrote: > >> No, there isn't anything traumatic. The only thing systemd

Re: [gentoo-dev] Fwd: [gentoo-dev-announce] Call for items for September 13 council meeting

2011-09-18 Thread Michał Górny
On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 10:33:32 +0100 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 14:54:56 +0530 > Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: > > I don't see any features in EAPI 3 and 4 that are useful for the > > profiles. However, a bump to EAPI 2 (or at least 1) would be > > *extremely* beneficial, and cause muc

Re: [gentoo-dev] udev and /usr

2011-09-18 Thread Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 18-09-2011 12:59, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: > On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 6:19 PM, Michał Górny > wrote: >> No, there isn't anything traumatic. The only thing systemd folks >> are doing is nicely asking devs to include systemd unit files >> whenever nece

Re: [gentoo-dev] Fwd: [gentoo-dev-announce] Call for items for September 13 council meeting

2011-09-18 Thread Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 18-09-2011 09:33, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 14:54:56 +0530 Nirbheek Chauhan > wrote: >> I don't see any features in EAPI 3 and 4 that are useful for the >> profiles. However, a bump to EAPI 2 (or at least 1) would be >> *extrem

Re: [gentoo-dev] udev and /usr

2011-09-18 Thread Nirbheek Chauhan
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 6:19 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > No, there isn't anything traumatic. The only thing systemd folks are > doing is nicely asking devs to include systemd unit files whenever > necessary or use the eclass whenever upstream supplies those files. > > In other words, some devs just

Re: [gentoo-dev] udev and /usr

2011-09-18 Thread Michał Górny
On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 08:38:31 -0400 Rich Freeman wrote: > Is there something in particular that is causing alarm with systemd? > All I've seen is a package in the tree and some discussion. I'm sure > there will be requests for various packages to install some files > needed for integrations/etc.

Re: [gentoo-dev] udev and /usr

2011-09-18 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 1:43 AM, Luca Barbato wrote: > I think putting more pressure so systemd isn't given as granted would be > more healthy for both those who are not using it (because, again, is an > aberration for any kind of daemon not written for it) and those that want to > use it (since

Re: [gentoo-dev] new `usex` helper

2011-09-18 Thread Brian Harring
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 10:59:08PM -0500, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > On 13:43 Fri 16 Sep , Brian Harring wrote: > > What I said from the getgo and you're missing is that pushing EAPI > > implementation into the tree and ignoring EAPI, or having this notion > > that every repository must automat

proposal for cross-compie support in EAPI-5, was: Re: [gentoo-dev] Fwd: [gentoo-dev-announce] Call for items for September 13 council meeting

2011-09-18 Thread Thomas Sachau
Thomas Sachau schrieb: > Tomáš Chvátal schrieb: >> Start collecting ideas for EAPI5. > > 1) USE-flag based support to cross-compile packages (mostly implemented in > multilib-portage) let me extend this a bit, first the reasoning behind it: For amd64 users, there is sometimes the issue, that t

Re: [gentoo-dev] Fwd: [gentoo-dev-announce] Call for items for September 13 council meeting

2011-09-18 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 14:54:56 +0530 Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: > I don't see any features in EAPI 3 and 4 that are useful for the > profiles. However, a bump to EAPI 2 (or at least 1) would be > *extremely* beneficial, and cause much less chaos. > > Speaking with my GNOME hat, it will be *extremely*

Re: [gentoo-dev] Fwd: [gentoo-dev-announce] Call for items for September 13 council meeting

2011-09-18 Thread Nirbheek Chauhan
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Zac Medico wrote: > On 09/17/2011 08:47 PM, Donnie Berkholz wrote: >> On 14:06 Fri 16 Sep     , Zac Medico wrote: >>> Bumping the EAPI of the root profiles/eapi file would be a different >>> matter, since it applies to the whole repository. If you want to >>> vers