Re: [gentoo-dev] Resurrecting "Project Dolphin"

2006-10-15 Thread kashani
Tobias Scherbaum wrote: As some modern server machines doesn't ship with a cd/dvd-rom drive per default also providing an usb-stick image (fitting on 128MB sticks?) makes sense and would help a lot :) In these days of $40 USD one gig USB drives I see the CD as the size limiting factor. :-)

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per-package default USE flags

2006-10-15 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 18:56:00 -0700 Donnie Berkholz > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | > There is a solution that provides all of the functionality of the > | > other, along with some functionality that the other does not > | > provide, without the drawbacks. That is a "better

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per-package default USE flags

2006-10-15 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Sunday 15 October 2006 22:17, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:43:19 -0400 Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > | per-package IUSE defaults comes after everything else ... so if you > | want to change the default in the profile, nothing is stopping you > | from doing exactly that

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per-package default USE flags

2006-10-15 Thread Alec Warner
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 18:59:27 -0400 Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | I don't see how the location of the default USE affects these things. Searching across an entire tree, plus in things that can be defined in eclasses, is a pain in the ass. | However I still belie

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per-package default USE flags

2006-10-15 Thread Zac Medico
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:43:19 -0400 Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > | per-package IUSE defaults comes after everything else ... so if you > | want to change the default in the profile, nothing is stopping you > | f

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per-package default USE flags

2006-10-15 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:43:19 -0400 Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | per-package IUSE defaults comes after everything else ... so if you | want to change the default in the profile, nothing is stopping you | from doing exactly that Which means that arch people are screwed if they need to

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per-package default USE flags

2006-10-15 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 18:59:27 -0400 Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | I don't see how the location of the default USE affects these things. Searching across an entire tree, plus in things that can be defined in eclasses, is a pain in the ass. | However I still believe there exist examples w

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per-package default USE flags

2006-10-15 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 17:01:58 -0400 Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > | Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > | > Yup. Default USE flags are profile dependent data. The sensible > | > default value varies depending upon conditions like arch and system > | > role. > | > > | > |

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per-package default USE flags

2006-10-15 Thread Zac Medico
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Danny van Dyk wrote: >>From my point of view as an architecture dev and releng member: Having > all default USE-flags at one spot (per profile) _is_ easier to maintain. > > Ciaran has a point here: Default useflags have annoyed me in the past > while

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per-package default USE flags

2006-10-15 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Sunday 15 October 2006 19:54, Danny van Dyk wrote: > From my point of view as an architecture dev and releng member: Having > all default USE-flags at one spot (per profile) _is_ easier to maintain. these arent arch or profile specific issues ... these are maintainers themselves being able to

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per-package default USE flags

2006-10-15 Thread Danny van Dyk
Am Montag, 16. Oktober 2006 00:59 schrieb Alec Warner: > Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > | > > | Uh, what kind of conflicting behaviour and what sanity checks are > > | you talking about here? Did you _really_ miss the whole point of > > | this feature? > > > > Before changing default values for USE fla

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per-package default USE flags

2006-10-15 Thread Alec Warner
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 00:25:42 +0200 Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | Ciaran McCreesh napsal(a): | > The profiles change over time. Currently, when the profiles change, | > the only thing that has to be checked for conflicting USE behaviour | > is subprofiles. With IUSE

[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: per-package default USE flags

2006-10-15 Thread Ryan Hill
Jakub Moc wrote: > Ciaran McCreesh napsal(a): > >> The profiles change over time. Currently, when the profiles change, the >> only thing that has to be checked for conflicting USE behaviour is >> subprofiles. With IUSE defaults, the person making the change will also >> have to do a sanity check o

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per-package default USE flags

2006-10-15 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 00:25:42 +0200 Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | Ciaran McCreesh napsal(a): | > The profiles change over time. Currently, when the profiles change, | > the only thing that has to be checked for conflicting USE behaviour | > is subprofiles. With IUSE defaults, the person mak

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per-package default USE flags

2006-10-15 Thread Jakub Moc
Ciaran McCreesh napsal(a): > The profiles change over time. Currently, when the profiles change, the > only thing that has to be checked for conflicting USE behaviour is > subprofiles. With IUSE defaults, the person making the change will also > have to do a sanity check over the entire tree. Uh,

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per-package default USE flags

2006-10-15 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 14:15:19 -0700 Daniel Ostrow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | On Sun, 2006-10-15 at 22:01 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | > On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:35:10 +0200 Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | > wrote: | > | > Which is why I suggested changing Portage's behaviour earlier | > | > in th

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per-package default USE flags

2006-10-15 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 23:44:09 +0200 Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | Ciaran McCreesh napsal(a): | > On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 23:19:03 +0200 Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | > wrote: | > | > You mean, than sticking a + before foo in IUSE in every ebuild, | > | > and ensuring that changes are kept in

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per-package default USE flags

2006-10-15 Thread Jakub Moc
Ciaran McCreesh napsal(a): > On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 23:19:03 +0200 Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | > You mean, than sticking a + before foo in IUSE in every ebuild, and > | > ensuring that changes are kept in sync and consistent with the > | > behaviour of every single existing profile. > |

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per-package default USE flags

2006-10-15 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 23:19:03 +0200 Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | > You mean, than sticking a + before foo in IUSE in every ebuild, and | > ensuring that changes are kept in sync and consistent with the | > behaviour of every single existing profile. | | Erm, what are you talking about her

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per-package default USE flags

2006-10-15 Thread Jakub Moc
Ciaran McCreesh napsal(a): > On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:35:10 +0200 Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | > Which is why I suggested changing Portage's behaviour earlier in the > | > thread. Like it or not, overlays are already getting complex enough > | > that they'd benefit from profile behaviour.

[gentoo-dev] Last rites net-misc/klapjack

2006-10-15 Thread Jose Alberto Suarez Lopez
just is dead stream, and it have a xmms hardepend... so if somebody is interested in the ebuild it is updated and must work. regards -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per-package default USE flags

2006-10-15 Thread Daniel Ostrow
On Sun, 2006-10-15 at 22:01 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:35:10 +0200 Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | > Which is why I suggested changing Portage's behaviour earlier in the > | > thread. Like it or not, overlays are already getting complex enough > | > that they'd

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per-package default USE flags

2006-10-15 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 17:01:58 -0400 Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | > Yup. Default USE flags are profile dependent data. The sensible | > default value varies depending upon conditions like arch and system | > role. | > | | I disagree; they are not all profile dep

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per-package default USE flags

2006-10-15 Thread Alec Warner
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Yup. Default USE flags are profile dependent data. The sensible default value varies depending upon conditions like arch and system role. I disagree; they are not all profile dependent. The point here being you can argue all your like; it's like me liking pink rather

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per-package default USE flags

2006-10-15 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:35:10 +0200 Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | > Which is why I suggested changing Portage's behaviour earlier in the | > thread. Like it or not, overlays are already getting complex enough | > that they'd benefit from profile behaviour. | | Because maintaining your own

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per-package default USE flags

2006-10-15 Thread Jakub Moc
Ciaran McCreesh napsal(a): > On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 13:05:09 -0700 Brian Harring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > | On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 08:37:48PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > | > On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 12:27:20 -0700 Brian Harring > | > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | > | Ebuilds already have a boat

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per-package default USE flags

2006-10-15 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 13:05:09 -0700 Brian Harring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 08:37:48PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | > On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 12:27:20 -0700 Brian Harring | > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | > | Ebuilds already have a boatload of duplication; | > | > They have

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per-package default USE flags

2006-10-15 Thread Brian Harring
On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 08:37:48PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 12:27:20 -0700 Brian Harring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > | Ebuilds already have a boatload of duplication; > > They have no duplication related to whether a USE flag is enabled. ...Because until up until now

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per-package default USE flags

2006-10-15 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 12:27:20 -0700 Brian Harring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | Ebuilds already have a boatload of duplication; They have no duplication related to whether a USE flag is enabled. | bit of a red herring | however complaining about a single char in IUSE to indicate a flag | defaults

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per-package default USE flags

2006-10-15 Thread Brian Harring
On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 08:22:01PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 15:09:32 -0400 Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > | On Sunday 15 October 2006 14:16, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > | > On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 02:09:58 -0400 Mike Frysinger > | > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > | > | wha

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per-package default USE flags

2006-10-15 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 15:09:32 -0400 Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | On Sunday 15 October 2006 14:16, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | > On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 02:09:58 -0400 Mike Frysinger | > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | > | what are you talking about ? the point of having per-package | > | defaults is

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per-package default USE flags

2006-10-15 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Sunday 15 October 2006 14:16, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 02:09:58 -0400 Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > | what are you talking about ? the point of having per-package > | defaults is so that you can enable a flag by default in one package > | only > > package != ebuild. >

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per-package default USE flags

2006-10-15 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 02:09:58 -0400 Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | what are you talking about ? the point of having per-package | defaults is so that you can enable a flag by default in one package | only package != ebuild. | to take the oss example, we would want to remove that from

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per-package default USE flags

2006-10-15 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 23:14:34 -0400 Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | I don't think there is "The One Correct Way" here; it's purely an | arbitrary choice. I'd prefer to let people do it either way. And I'd prefer that it all be kept in one place, to avoid making what's already fairly conf

[gentoo-dev] langs.eclass - reborn ;]

2006-10-15 Thread Piotr Jaroszyński
Hello, After long holidays I recalled that I have written a new eclass. It's name says pretty much everything, it simplifies handling of linguas in ebuilds. I hope it's well documented, but I have also written a simple bash script and made a patch for mozilla-firefox-2.0_rc2.ebuild to show how

[gentoo-dev] Re: Announcing The Gentoo Common Lisp Project

2006-10-15 Thread Christian 'Opfer' Faulhammer
Tach Matthew, 0x2B859DE3 (PGP-PK-ID) Matthew Kennedy schrieb: > We hope users will contribute to our Darcs overlay instead of simply > filing bugs. I asked to include the overlay in the official layman configuration. V-Li -- Fingerprint: 68C5 D381 B69A A777 6A

Re: [gentoo-dev] New Developer: David Shakaryan (omp)

2006-10-15 Thread Timothy Redaelli
Alle 21:12, sabato 14 ottobre 2006, Christian Heim ha scritto: > Its my pleasure to introduce to you David Shakaryan (also known as omp), > our latest addition joining to help out with desktop-misc and the > commonbox-herd. > > He hails from Glendale (that's in the Los Angeles area as he told me).

Re: [gentoo-dev] X.Org 7.1 is Stable

2006-10-15 Thread Pablo Yanez Trujillo
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I updated my xorg yesterday. > Does it build? yes > Does it run? yes > Will it damage your system? I don't think so, my system survived the update ;) Pablo Pablo Yánez Trujillo http://klingsor.informatik.uni-freiburg.de/ Joshua Baergen wrote:

[gentoo-dev] Re: New Developer: David Shakaryan (omp)

2006-10-15 Thread Stefan Schweizer
Christian Heim wrote: > So please welcome David as a new fellow developer among us! You are welcome, David! It is nice to see another of the sunrise people join Gentoo. Also thanks to Christian - you are doing an awesome job these days handling new developers. Delays are no longer an issue. You

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resurrecting "Project Dolphin"

2006-10-15 Thread Thilo Bangert
> I hereby request every person make suggestions. Please note, that > Dolphin will be a CLI-based CD only, so no X-Applications will be taken > into consideration. i'd like to see debootstrap on there as well. debian is PITA, but sometimes that is out of our control. having a familiar install CD