On Thu, Oct 20, 2005 at 10:56:57PM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> On Thursday 20 October 2005 10:49 pm, Dan Meltzer wrote:
> > Why single out this one? ones system will not break irreperbly
> > without a cxx compiler, it'll just cause a another recompile to get it
> > to work after breakage if the
> Before anyone asks, ABKB is help-desk lingo for "A**hole
> Behind Key Board". I
> always preferred that to the id10t error (idiot).
>
See also: PEBKAC
Thanks,
Chris
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On Thursday 20 October 2005 11:09 pm, Dave Nebinger wrote:
> So basically if only 'experienced', yet misguided, folks are using '-*',
> then the only bugs to come up from this would be ABKB bugs, leaving them
> with egg on their face for messing with '-*' in the first place.
Before anyone asks, AB
> there is nothing hard about USE="-* cxx" but while most here want to say
> 'fuck
> the users' (and i'm inclined to agree), i'd rather not field those
> bugs/questions/etc...
The average gentoo newbie is not going to know anything about "-*" in
/etc/make.conf. Mostly it's folks that have been ar
On Thursday 20 October 2005 10:49 pm, Dan Meltzer wrote:
> On 10/20/05, Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Thursday 20 October 2005 10:34 pm, Spider (D.m.D. Lj.) wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2005-10-20 at 22:26 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > > > On Thursday 20 October 2005 10:19 pm, Dave Ne
On Thursday 20 October 2005 10:47 pm, Alec Warner wrote:
> Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > On Thursday 20 October 2005 10:03 pm, Alec Warner wrote:
> >>Mike Frysinger wrote:
> >>>On Thursday 20 October 2005 05:47 pm, Petteri Räty wrote:
> Every once in a while I see people wanting to use nosomething
On 10/20/05, Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thursday 20 October 2005 10:34 pm, Spider (D.m.D. Lj.) wrote:
> > On Thu, 2005-10-20 at 22:26 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > > On Thursday 20 October 2005 10:19 pm, Dave Nebinger wrote:
> > > > >> > i still dont see how this addresses th
Mike Frysinger wrote:
> On Thursday 20 October 2005 10:03 pm, Alec Warner wrote:
>
>>Mike Frysinger wrote:
>>
>>>On Thursday 20 October 2005 05:47 pm, Petteri Räty wrote:
>>>
Every once in a while I see people wanting to use nosomething use flags.
Why don't we have a package.use like we al
On Thursday 20 October 2005 10:34 pm, Spider (D.m.D. Lj.) wrote:
> On Thu, 2005-10-20 at 22:26 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > On Thursday 20 October 2005 10:19 pm, Dave Nebinger wrote:
> > > >> > i still dont see how this addresses the nocxx / USE=-*
> > > >>
> > > >> noFOO is used because "FOO"
On Thu, 2005-10-20 at 22:26 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> On Thursday 20 October 2005 10:19 pm, Dave Nebinger wrote:
> > >> > i still dont see how this addresses the nocxx / USE=-*
> > >>
> > >> noFOO is used because "FOO" is on by default, and noFOO turns it off.
> > >> AutoUSE is the same way, p
On Thursday 20 October 2005 10:19 pm, Dave Nebinger wrote:
> >> > i still dont see how this addresses the nocxx / USE=-*
> >>
> >> noFOO is used because "FOO" is on by default, and noFOO turns it off.
> >> AutoUSE is the same way, package bar is included in the buildplan and to
> >> have sane defau
>> > i still dont see how this addresses the nocxx / USE=-*
>>
>> noFOO is used because "FOO" is on by default, and noFOO turns it off.
>> AutoUSE is the same way, package bar is included in the buildplan and to
>> have sane defaults, certain flags are turned on.
>
> that was a great explanation ho
On Thursday 20 October 2005 10:03 pm, Alec Warner wrote:
> Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > On Thursday 20 October 2005 05:47 pm, Petteri Räty wrote:
> >>Every once in a while I see people wanting to use nosomething use flags.
> >>Why don't we have a package.use like we already have a package.mask
> >>fil
Mike Frysinger wrote:
> On Thursday 20 October 2005 05:47 pm, Petteri Räty wrote:
>
>>Every once in a while I see people wanting to use nosomething use flags.
>>Why don't we have a package.use like we already have a package.mask
>>file? This would make it possible for developers to turn on use fla
On Thursday 20 October 2005 05:47 pm, Petteri Räty wrote:
> Every once in a while I see people wanting to use nosomething use flags.
> Why don't we have a package.use like we already have a package.mask
> file? This would make it possible for developers to turn on use flags by
> default in a way th
Carsten Lohrke wrote:
On Thursday 20 October 2005 21:35, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote:
Too many people using -* (due to auto flags) so that will break for most of
them.
So we have the three things we should deprecate in a single thread:
a) no* flags
b) auto flags
c) -* and - for all arch
Dan Armak wrote:
> On Thursday 20 October 2005 23:47, Petteri Räty wrote:
>
>>Every once in a while I see people wanting to use nosomething use flags.
>>Why don't we have a package.use like we already have a package.mask
>>file? This would make it possible for developers to turn on use flags by
>>
On Thursday 20 October 2005 23:47, Petteri Räty wrote:
> Every once in a while I see people wanting to use nosomething use flags.
> Why don't we have a package.use like we already have a package.mask
> file? This would make it possible for developers to turn on use flags by
> default in a way that
Every once in a while I see people wanting to use nosomething use flags.
Why don't we have a package.use like we already have a package.mask
file? This would make it possible for developers to turn on use flags by
default in a way that would not cruft the base profiles for every local
use flag.
Re
On Thursday 20 October 2005 21:35, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote:
> Too many people using -* (due to auto flags) so that will break for most of
> them.
So we have the three things we should deprecate in a single thread:
a) no* flags
b) auto flags
c) -* and - for all architectures in one ebuild.
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Chris Gianelloni wrote:
| On Thu, 2005-10-20 at 12:17 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
|>Selected arbitrarily by the x11 team based on requirement, common use
|>and prettiness factor. Probably font-misc-misc, font-bh-ttf,
|>font-adobe-utopia-type1 and ma
Dan Armak wrote:
On Thursday 20 October 2005 21:48, Kevin F. Quinn wrote:
On 20/10/2005 21:16:47, Dan Armak ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Thursday 20 October 2005 20:58, Matthijs van der Vleuten wrote:
On 10/20/05, Dan Armak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
To solve this issue it would have t
On Thursday 20 October 2005 23:06, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> > Selected arbitrarily by the x11 team based on requirement, common use
> > and prettiness factor. Probably font-misc-misc, font-bh-ttf,
> > font-adobe-utopia-type1 and maybe some others that are brought to my
> > attention.
>
> Nnn!
On Thu, 2005-10-20 at 21:48 +0200, Kevin F. Quinn wrote:
> On 20/10/2005 21:16:47, Dan Armak ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > On Thursday 20 October 2005 20:58, Matthijs van der Vleuten wrote:
> > > On 10/20/05, Dan Armak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > To solve this issue it would have to be an o
On Thu, 2005-10-20 at 12:17 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> |>See
> |>http://dev.gentoo.org/~spyderous/xorg-x11/porting_to_modular_x_howto.txt.
> |
> | That file says there won't be any x11-related virtuals anymore. Are
> you sure
> | no package uses it in the sense of 'any X server' instead of 'an
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Dan Armak wrote:
| Your mua or some gateway has inserted really ugly linebreaks in the
text you
| quoted. I tried to make it prettier.
|
| On Thursday 20 October 2005 21:17, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
|>Selected arbitrarily by the x11 team based on requir
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Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote:
| On Thursday 20 October 2005 21:42, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
|
|>I think you're missing the context. He's saying we solve the nofoo
|>problem by adding foo to profiles instead, not by adding nofoo.
|
| Exactly
|
| Add f
On 10/20/05, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Add foo to profiles, users sets -* to remove the use.defaults flags, then the
> user has no foo :)
>
Which is exactly as it should be. If someone is going to use -*, then
they should learn to live with the consequences. Even I, as
On Thursday 20 October 2005 21:42, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> I think you're missing the context. He's saying we solve the nofoo
> problem by adding foo to profiles instead, not by adding nofoo.
Exactly
Add foo to profiles, users sets -* to remove the use.defaults flags, then the
user has no foo :)
On Thursday 20 October 2005 03:42 pm, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> I think you're missing the context. He's saying we solve the nofoo
> problem by adding foo to profiles instead, not by adding nofoo.
but you seem to be missing what Diego is saying
even if we put 'cxx' into all profiles, people who pu
On Thursday 20 October 2005 21:48, Kevin F. Quinn wrote:
> On 20/10/2005 21:16:47, Dan Armak ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > On Thursday 20 October 2005 20:58, Matthijs van der Vleuten wrote:
> > > On 10/20/05, Dan Armak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > To solve this issue it would have to be an o
On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:35:39 +0200 "Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| On Thursday 20 October 2005 21:25, Dan Armak wrote:
| > True. I forget - why can't we solve the problem of all nofoo USE
| > flags this way? Or is the (remaining) problem only with local flags?
| Too many pe
Your mua or some gateway has inserted really ugly linebreaks in the text you
quoted. I tried to make it prettier.
On Thursday 20 October 2005 21:17, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> I'm not aware of any. The only similar thing I'm aware of is a few
> incredibly broken packages that require Xvfb at build
On 20/10/2005 21:16:47, Dan Armak ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Thursday 20 October 2005 20:58, Matthijs van der Vleuten wrote:
> > On 10/20/05, Dan Armak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > To solve this issue it would have to be an on-by-default flag, i.e.
> > > 'noxserver'. I know some people are
On 20/10/2005 21:16:47, Dan Armak ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Thursday 20 October 2005 20:58, Matthijs van der Vleuten wrote:
> > On 10/20/05, Dan Armak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > To solve this issue it would have to be an on-by-default flag, i.e.
> > > 'noxserver'. I know some people are
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Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote:
| On Thursday 20 October 2005 21:25, Dan Armak wrote:
|
|>True. I forget - why can't we solve the problem of all nofoo USE flags
this
|>way? Or is the (remaining) problem only with local flags?
|
| Too many people usin
On Thursday 20 October 2005 21:25, Dan Armak wrote:
> True. I forget - why can't we solve the problem of all nofoo USE flags this
> way? Or is the (remaining) problem only with local flags?
Too many people using -* (due to auto flags) so that will break for most of
them.
It's one of the reasons we
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Dan Armak wrote:
| On Thursday 20 October 2005 20:43, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
|>Or, you could just activate it in the base profile.
|
| True. I forget - why can't we solve the problem of all nofoo USE flags
this
| way? Or is the (remaining) problem onl
On Thursday 20 October 2005 20:43, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> - gpg control packet
>
> Dan Armak wrote:
> | On Thursday 20 October 2005 17:28, Luca Barbato wrote:
> |>a useflag could solve the issue as well a all inclusive metaebuild for X.
> |
> | To solve this issue it would have to be an on-by-def
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Dan Armak wrote:
| On Thursday 20 October 2005 20:37, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
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|>I'd prefer that people don't come to depend on metabuilds at all.
|
| OK, we can do this.
|
|
|>See
|>http://dev.gentoo.org/~spyderous/xorg-x11/porting_to_modular_x_howto
On Thursday 20 October 2005 20:58, Matthijs van der Vleuten wrote:
> On 10/20/05, Dan Armak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > To solve this issue it would have to be an on-by-default flag, i.e.
> > 'noxserver'. I know some people are strongly against nofoo flags.
>
> What about an off-by-default 'xser
On Thu, 2005-10-20 at 18:19 +0100, John Mylchreest wrote:
> On Wed, 2005-10-19 at 17:31 -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> > Actually, genkernel does have the --callback option, which runs an
> > external command before finalizing the build. We use it for building
> > external modules and packages t
On Thursday 20 October 2005 20:37, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> I'd prefer that people don't come to depend on metabuilds at all.
OK, we can do this.
> See
> http://dev.gentoo.org/~spyderous/xorg-x11/porting_to_modular_x_howto.txt.
That file says there won't be any x11-related virtuals anymore. Are
On 10/20/05, Dan Armak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> To solve this issue it would have to be an on-by-default flag, i.e.
> 'noxserver'. I know some people are strongly against nofoo flags.
What about an off-by-default 'xserver' flag?
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Dan Armak wrote:
| On Thursday 20 October 2005 17:28, Luca Barbato wrote:
|>a useflag could solve the issue as well a all inclusive metaebuild for X.
|
| To solve this issue it would have to be an on-by-default flag, i.e.
| 'noxserver'. I know some pe
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Dan Armak wrote:
| On Thursday 20 October 2005 09:11, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
|
|>Metabuilds should be forthcoming shortly. I'd appreciate input on
|>http://dev.gentoo.org/~spyderous/xorg-x11/metabuilds.txt and in
|>particular from people on the GNOME
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Dan Armak wrote:
| KDE doesn't have any special requirements. It doesn't use any kind of X11
| build tool (what is there other than imake?). It does use some X apps
like
| xmessage, xset etc. After you commit your metaebuilds we'll update the
deps
| a
On Wed, 2005-10-19 at 17:31 -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> Actually, genkernel does have the --callback option, which runs an
> external command before finalizing the build. We use it for building
> external modules and packages that require a configured kernel when
> building the releases, but
On Wednesday 19 of October 2005 20:56 Herbert G. Fischer wrote:
> Perhaps the modules-update could be extended to detect new kernels and warn
> users or automatically update modules. This could also be documented in
> Gentoo docs since this is a basic and common problem that almost every
> Gentoo u
On Thursday 20 October 2005 09:11, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> Metabuilds should be forthcoming shortly. I'd appreciate input on
> http://dev.gentoo.org/~spyderous/xorg-x11/metabuilds.txt and in
> particular from people on the GNOME and KDE teams.
Don't forget a new virtual/x11-libs.
And we'll need
Am Donnerstag, den 20.10.2005, 16:28 +0100 schrieb Herbie Hopkins:
> On Fri, 2005-10-21 at 01:46 +1100, Ben Skeggs wrote:
> > The only issue I've encountered so far is that XKB appears to be
> > completely broken for me. I can't quite track down why at this stage.
>
> bug 109926
>
Thanks! That
On Thursday 20 October 2005 17:28, Luca Barbato wrote:
> Dan Armak wrote:
> > On Thursday 20 October 2005 09:11, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> > To keep the current behaviour, the kde metaebuild (and gnome and the
> > other WMs) would have to depend on xorg-x11, which strictly speaking is
> > unnecessar
On Thursday 20 October 2005 17:23, Mike Williams wrote:
> On Thursday 20 October 2005 14:26, Dan Armak wrote:
> > To keep the current behaviour, the kde metaebuild (and gnome and the
> > other WMs) would have to depend on xorg-x11, which strictly speaking is
> > unnecessary. Opinions? How can we ed
Dan Armak wrote:
On Thursday 20 October 2005 09:11, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
To keep the current behaviour, the kde metaebuild (and gnome and the other
WMs) would have to depend on xorg-x11, which strictly speaking is
unnecessary. Opinions? How can we educate the users to manually 'emerge
xorg-x
On Fri, 2005-10-21 at 01:46 +1100, Ben Skeggs wrote:
> The only issue I've encountered so far is that XKB appears to be
> completely broken for me. I can't quite track down why at this stage.
bug 109926
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On Thursday 20 October 2005 14:26, Dan Armak wrote:
> To keep the current behaviour, the kde metaebuild (and gnome and the other
> WMs) would have to depend on xorg-x11, which strictly speaking is
> unnecessary. Opinions? How can we educate the users to manually 'emerge
> xorg-x11'? Personally I'm
Am Donnerstag, den 20.10.2005, 00:11 -0700 schrieb Donnie Berkholz:
> Thanks to the dedicated work of Joshua Baergen and me, you've got just
> what you asked for -- newer X than even money can buy. Pound on it, test
> it, break it, and file bugs. Let us know how it works.
>
I had some issues updat
On Thu, 2005-20-10 at 15:26 +0200, Dan Armak wrote:
> On Thursday 20 October 2005 09:11, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> > Metabuilds should be forthcoming shortly. I'd appreciate input on
> > http://dev.gentoo.org/~spyderous/xorg-x11/metabuilds.txt and in
> > particular from people on the GNOME and KDE t
On Thursday 20 October 2005 09:11, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> Metabuilds should be forthcoming shortly. I'd appreciate input on
> http://dev.gentoo.org/~spyderous/xorg-x11/metabuilds.txt and in
> particular from people on the GNOME and KDE teams.
KDE doesn't have any special requirements. It doesn't
Simon Strandman posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted below, on
Thu, 20 Oct 2005 10:37:42 +0200:
> Donnie Berkholz skrev:
>
>> The first release candidate was announced roughly 12 hours ago. And
>> fitting the Gentoo you know as up to the minute, so far beyond the
>> bleeding edge that it's wear
On Thu, 2005-10-20 at 00:11 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
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> The first release candidate was announced roughly 12 hours ago. And
> fitting the Gentoo you know as up to the minute, so far beyond the
> bleeding edge that it's wearing a Band-Aid befo
Kumba wrote:
>
> Initially, this can be found in my dev directory here:
> http://dev.gentoo.org/~kumba/mips/releases/livecd-rc5/
>
> But it will soon be up onto the mirrors under the experimental/mips folder.
I have grabbed the files from kumba's home directory on dev and placed
them in the appr
Donnie Berkholz skrev:
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The first release candidate was announced roughly 12 hours ago. And
fitting the Gentoo you know as up to the minute, so far beyond the
bleeding edge that it's wearing a Band-Aid before it starts to bleed,
comes the complete pa
Alle 16:06, lunedì 17 ottobre 2005, Francesco R. ha scritto:
> mysql-4.1.14 has been added to the tree on 29 Aug 2005, should be
> time to stabilize the 4.1 branch of mysql.
>
MySQL 4.1 is (keyworded) stable for "amd64" and "x86" .
Going through step 2 now, unmasking MySQL 5.0 .
As a security me
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The first release candidate was announced roughly 12 hours ago. And
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bleeding edge that it's wearing a Band-Aid before it starts to bleed,
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