Re: Again: The Maven Repository

2008-06-26 Thread Davanum Srinivas
Jukka, My guess is this issue will keep coming up *TILL* the folks who want this to happen get their way! sigh! :( -- dims On 6/26/08, Jukka Zitting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > So far, despite lots of discussion, we haven't come up with a > consensus on this issue. I plan to start a maj

Re: Again: The Maven Repository

2008-06-26 Thread Les Hazlewood
JSecurity also meets condition b) Our users will scream bloody murder if they can no longer access JSecurity from the central repository. So we'll continue to publish there, even if it means publishing under the old org.jsecurity group id. On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Davanum Srinivas <[EMAI

Re: Again: The Maven Repository

2008-06-26 Thread Les Hazlewood
I'll just append that I, and I'm sure the huge majority of people in the world that use Maven, would find it incredibly irritating if incubator releases were not automatically available in the central repository. So a huge +1 to enable this. On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 9:23 AM, Les Hazlewood <[EMAIL

Re: Again: The Maven Repository

2008-06-26 Thread Martijn Dashorst
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Les Hazlewood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > JSecurity also meets condition b) > > Our users will scream bloody murder if they can no longer access > JSecurity from the central repository. So we'll continue to publish > there, even if it means publishing under the ol

Re: Again: The Maven Repository

2008-06-26 Thread Les Hazlewood
Martijn, This is excellent feedback, thanks very much! That being said, it would make everyone's lives easier if incubator releases were in the central repository, so I still vote +1 on that ;) On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 9:39 AM, Martijn Dashorst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at

Re: Again: The Maven Repository

2008-06-26 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Davanum Srinivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My guess is this issue will keep coming up *TILL* the folks who want > this to happen get their way! sigh! :( That's why I plan to call a vote on the matter. That should close the issue. BR, Jukka Zitting --

Re: Again: The Maven Repository

2008-06-26 Thread Emmanuel Lecharny
Hi Martijn, Martijn Dashorst wrote: I would therefore continue maintaining the old jsecurity code, and release those outside the incubator, just as normal business for your project. There are options. Maintaining the old repo can be tough, as the repository will be different, and make merges

Re: Again: The Maven Repository

2008-06-26 Thread Martijn Dashorst
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 4:58 PM, Emmanuel Lecharny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I'd suggest also to rename the packages only when >> you are almost ready to graduate. This allows you to merge current >> development and maintenance quite easily. > > This is only if you intent to keep both subversio

Re: Again: The Maven Repository

2008-06-26 Thread Emmanuel Lecharny
Martijn Dashorst wrote: This work too. Depends on the existing user's base, I guess ? Which was in the thousands for Wicket at the time, with numerous systems in production. and it makes perfect sense to follow your way in this case. How many users does JSecurity has ? Regarding th

Re: Again: The Maven Repository

2008-06-26 Thread Les Hazlewood
I don't know the exact usage, but I'm sure it is in lower thousands - many people use our .jars directly, but probably many more use it via 3rd party plugins (Grails plugin, etc) that is built on top of JSecurity. It sounds as if waiting at the last possible second to move from org.jsecurity.* to

Re: Again: The Maven Repository

2008-06-26 Thread Emmanuel Lecharny
Les Hazlewood wrote: I don't know the exact usage, but I'm sure it is in lower thousands - many people use our .jars directly, but probably many more use it via 3rd party plugins (Grails plugin, etc) that is built on top of JSecurity. It sounds as if waiting at the last possible second to move f

Re: Again: The Maven Repository

2008-06-26 Thread Les Hazlewood
Thanks to IntelliJ Idea, which updates our Spring and Hibernate files automatically during refactoring already, even this isn't an issue for us (thankfully). We should be good! On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Emmanuel Lecharny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Les Hazlewood wrote: >> >> I don't know

Re: Again: The Maven Repository

2008-06-26 Thread Les Hazlewood
Oops, I feel this hijacked Jukka's thread. So, what about the following Maven repo statement? Incubating projects won't be published to the main repository under the org.apache group ID, but they are free to publish to other group ids of their choosing. This means existing projects that enter th

Re: Again: The Maven Repository

2008-06-26 Thread Davanum Srinivas
I'd be very surprised if it does close the issue :) On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Jukka Zitting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Davanum Srinivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> My guess is this issue will keep coming up *TILL* the folks who want >> this to h

Re: Again: The Maven Repository

2008-06-26 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 6:45 PM, Davanum Srinivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd be very surprised if it does close the issue :)... IMHO voting about where to put incubator Maven artifacts is a majority vote among of the Incubator PMC, so that should allow us to move forward, even if we're not u

Re: [VOTE] 72-hour lazy consensus for podling committer + PPMC member votes (was: INCUBATOR-57 aka IPMC votes...)

2008-06-26 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 11:11 PM, Craig L Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've updated https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-57 with the > changes proposed by Justin, Noel, and Bill. Please take a look. It's been three days since Craig posted his patch, and no objections have been r

Reliability of the podling reports schedule and list of incubator projects

2008-06-26 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, With my (shiny new ;-) board hat on, I'm following up on a a concern expressed at yesterday's board meeting. It seems like the schedule of incubator podling reports to the board, as well as the list of incubating projects at [2] is not very reliable - probably due to the well-known "redundant

Re: Again: The Maven Repository

2008-06-26 Thread Janne Jalkanen
It sounds as if waiting at the last possible second to move from org.jsecurity.* to org.apache.jsecurity.* is the best option for us. That way we can move over to the Apache SVN as soon as possible, but impact the existing community only when absolutely necessary. This is what we decided with JS

Re: Again: The Maven Repository

2008-06-26 Thread Les Hazlewood
> we'll use it as an opportunity to refactor some of the APIs in order to avoid > a double breakage in concurrent versions. We have some minor refactoring to do as well and we've decided to do the same thing - if there's going to be an inconvenience, you might as well bundle it all at once (if you

Re: [VOTE] 72-hour lazy consensus for podling committer + PPMC member votes (was: INCUBATOR-57 aka IPMC votes...)

2008-06-26 Thread Craig L Russell
Done. Craig On Jun 26, 2008, at 10:38 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 11:11 PM, Craig L Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: I've updated https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-57 with the changes proposed by Justin, Noel, and Bill. Please take a look. It's

[jira] Closed: (INCUBATOR-57) In the PPMC guide, clarify how to vote in a new committer

2008-06-26 Thread Craig Russell (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-57?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ] Craig Russell closed INCUBATOR-57. -- Resolution: Fixed clr% svn commit -m "INCUBATOR-57 again, clarify podling new committer proce

[VOTE] Clarify PPMC votes (Incubator Policy)

2008-06-26 Thread Craig L Russell
While updating the PPMC new committer voting guide, I notice that there has been no recent action on https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-72 An affirmative vote is required to change the policy, which currently confuses the role of the PPMC and the incubator PMC. The patch simply

Re: [PROPOSAL] Empire-db

2008-06-26 Thread Rainer Döbele
Referring to: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/Empire-dbProposal Martijn Dashorst wrote: > I find this alarming: when there are no new challenges awaiting the > project, why join Apache? The code is stable and mature, you can just > leave it at sf.net. There doesn't seem to be a plan other than "

Re: [PROPOSAL] Empire-db

2008-06-26 Thread Rainer Doebele
Referring to: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/Empire-dbProposal Martijn Dashorst wrote: > I find this alarming: when there are no new challenges awaiting the > project, why join Apache? The code is stable and mature, you can just > leave it at sf.net. There doesn't seem to be a plan other than "

Re: [VOTE] Clarify PPMC votes (Incubator Policy)

2008-06-26 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 9:58 PM, Craig L Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Index: site-author/incubation/Incubation_Policy.xml... +1 to the proposed patch, thanks for this. -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [VOTE] Clarify PPMC votes (Incubator Policy)

2008-06-26 Thread Noel J. Bergman
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RE: [VOTE] 72-hour lazy consensus for podling committer + PPMC member votes (was: INCUBATOR-57 aka IPMC votes...)

2008-06-26 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > It's been three days since Craig posted his patch, and no objections > have been raised. > Craig, could you commit your patch so that we can close this issue? Did anyone actually count the vote? I have no problem with Craig's patch, but did anyone actually vote for

Re: [VOTE] 72-hour lazy consensus for podling committer + PPMC member votes (was: INCUBATOR-57 aka IPMC votes...)

2008-06-26 Thread Craig L Russell
On Jun 26, 2008, at 8:52 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: It's been three days since Craig posted his patch, and no objections have been raised. Craig, could you commit your patch so that we can close this issue? Did anyone actually count the vote? I have no problem

Re: [VOTE] 72-hour lazy consensus for podling committer + PPMC member votes (was: INCUBATOR-57 aka IPMC votes...)

2008-06-26 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Noel J. Bergman wrote: Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: It's been three days since Craig posted his patch, and no objections have been raised. Craig, could you commit your patch so that we can close this issue? Did anyone actually count the vote? I have no problem with Craig's patch, but did

Re: photo gallery software (previously called Caitrin)

2008-06-26 Thread Martin Cooper
I'm a little confused, because the wiki says that the proposal is being put on hold and that the goal is to work with the Roller community. http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/CaitrinProposal Nevertheless, if there's interest in building a Flex front end, let me know... -- Martin Cooper On Tue, J