The Geronimo folks are talking about making logos and there seems to
be a desire to have official signoff on the name. Please vote on one
of the following choices:
[ ] - Let them keep "Geronimo" as the official name.
[ ] - Punt the decision to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[ ] - Disallow "Geronimo" but
On Nov 28, 2003, at 1:25 PM, Aaron Bannert wrote:
[ ] - Let them keep "Geronimo" as the official name.
[ ] - Punt the decision to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[ +1] - Disallow "Geronimo" but allow the committers to come up with
any
other name they want (barring anything inappropriate).
-Fitz
On Fri, 2003-11-28 at 22:25, Aaron Bannert wrote:
> The Geronimo folks are talking about making logos and there seems to
> be a desire to have official signoff on the name. Please vote on one
> of the following choices:
>
>
> [ ] - Let them keep "Geronimo" as the official name.
> [ ] - Punt t
"Sander Striker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> And to clarify: Native American Indian tribe names are inappropiate.
Given the name "Apache" .. this is an inconsistent statement. Is this
(a new) political correctness thing or some policy?
I'm obviously not native American, but if I were I'd per
On Fri, 2003-11-28 at 16:25, Aaron Bannert wrote:
> The Geronimo folks are talking about making logos and there seems to
> be a desire to have official signoff on the name. Please vote on one
> of the following choices:
>
>
> [+1] - Let them keep "Geronimo" as the official name.
> [ ] - Punt
On Sat, 2003-11-29 at 12:31, Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote:
> "Sander Striker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > And to clarify: Native American Indian tribe names are inappropiate.
>
> Given the name "Apache" .. this is an inconsistent statement. Is this
> (a new) political correctness thing or so
On Sat, 2003-11-29 at 11:55, Jason van Zyl wrote:
> On Sat, 2003-11-29 at 12:31, Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote:
> > "Sander Striker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > >
> > > And to clarify: Native American Indian tribe names are inappropiate.
> >
> > Given the name "Apache" .. this is an inconsistent
On Sat, 2003-11-29 at 13:08, Brian. W. Fitzpatrick wrote:
> On Sat, 2003-11-29 at 11:55, Jason van Zyl wrote:
> > On Sat, 2003-11-29 at 12:31, Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote:
> > > "Sander Striker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > >
> > > > And to clarify: Native American Indian tribe names are inappr
On Sat, 2003-11-29 at 13:08, Brian. W. Fitzpatrick wrote:
> > Geronimo was an Apache was he not? So it definitley seems odd that we
> > can name our whole organization after the people of Geronimo but not
> > Geronimo himself (yes, I know the name came from "a patchy server, but
> > that's not obv
On Sat, 2003-11-29 at 12:36, Jason van Zyl wrote:
> So the ASF has actually received messages from Apache indians that are
> offended by the use of the name Apache?
I don't know... take it up with the board. I do, however, know that
using Native American/American Indian names for just about anyt
On Sat, 2003-11-29 at 13:47, Brian. W. Fitzpatrick wrote:
> On Sat, 2003-11-29 at 12:36, Jason van Zyl wrote:
>
> > So the ASF has actually received messages from Apache indians that are
> > offended by the use of the name Apache?
>
> I don't know... take it up with the board. I do, however, kno
On 29 Nov 2003, Jason van Zyl wrote:
> It's not like it's "Geronimo: the society of baby seal clubbers" or
> something nasty like that. It's a piece of free software that gives
> people some choice and it uses the name of a native indian hero. So some
> coke and twinkie consuming, pasty white pr
On Fri, 28 Nov 2003, Aaron Bannert wrote:
> [X] - Let them keep "Geronimo" as the official name.
> [ ] - Punt the decision to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [ ] - Disallow "Geronimo" but allow the committers to come up with any
> other name they want (barring anything inappropriate).
Unless
On Sat, 2003-11-29 at 13:11, Jason van Zyl wrote:
> On Sat, 2003-11-29 at 13:47, Brian. W. Fitzpatrick wrote:
> > On Sat, 2003-11-29 at 12:36, Jason van Zyl wrote:
> >
> > > So the ASF has actually received messages from Apache indians that are
> > > offended by the use of the name Apache?
> >
>
On Sat, 2003-11-29 at 13:11, Jason van Zyl wrote:
> On Sat, 2003-11-29 at 13:47, Brian. W. Fitzpatrick wrote:
> > On Sat, 2003-11-29 at 12:36, Jason van Zyl wrote:
> >
> > > So the ASF has actually received messages from Apache indians that are
> > > offended by the use of the name Apache?
> >
>
On Sat, 2003-11-29 at 14:31, Brian. W. Fitzpatrick wrote:
> > It's not like it's "Geronimo: the society of baby seal clubbers" or
> > something nasty like that. It's a piece of free software that gives
> > people some choice and it uses the name of a native indian hero. So some
> > coke and twinki
On Sat, 2003-11-29 at 13:41, Jason van Zyl wrote:
> On Sat, 2003-11-29 at 14:31, Brian. W. Fitzpatrick wrote:
>
> > > It's not like it's "Geronimo: the society of baby seal clubbers" or
> > > something nasty like that. It's a piece of free software that gives
> > > people some choice and it uses t
Jason van Zyl wrote:
> All I'm trying to express is that the name is not being used
> in any derogatory sense and that the name Geronimo is being
> used in a positive light.
Tell that to the people protesting sports teams using the name "Braves" or
"Redskins", or anything else having a Native Amer
On 29 Nov 2003, Jason van Zyl wrote:
> Geronimo was an Apache was he not? So it definitley seems odd that we
> can name our whole organization after the people of Geronimo but not
> Geronimo himself (yes, I know the name came from "a patchy server, but
> that's not obvious to anyone most of the ti
Apache was named after the Apache tribes -- "a patchy" server was an
afterthought. We've generally avoided any discussion of the topic
because involvement of a native american "activist" will only result
in trouble for us. Those people are not Apache -- they don't even have
a clue. The various t
On 29 Nov 2003, Jason van Zyl wrote:
> It's not like it's "Geronimo: the society of baby seal clubbers" or
> something nasty like that. It's a piece of free software that gives
> people some choice and it uses the name of a native indian hero. So some
> coke and twinkie consuming, pasty white prog
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On Sat, 29 Nov 2003, Rich Bowen wrote:
> On 29 Nov 2003, Jason van Zyl wrote:
>
> > It's not like it's "Geronimo: the society of baby seal clubbers" or
> > something nasty like that. It's a piece of free software that gives
> > people some choice and
On Sat, 2003-11-29 at 14:50, Brian. W. Fitzpatrick wrote:
> On Sat, 2003-11-29 at 13:41, Jason van Zyl wrote:
> > On Sat, 2003-11-29 at 14:31, Brian. W. Fitzpatrick wrote:
> >
> > > > It's not like it's "Geronimo: the society of baby seal clubbers" or
> > > > something nasty like that. It's a piec
On Sat, 2003-11-29 at 17:56, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> Jason van Zyl wrote:
> > All I'm trying to express is that the name is not being used
> > in any derogatory sense and that the name Geronimo is being
> > used in a positive light.
>
> Tell that to the people protesting sports teams using the na
On Fri, Nov 28, 2003 at 01:25:40PM -0800, Aaron Bannert wrote:
> [ ] - Let them keep "Geronimo" as the official name.
> [ ] - Punt the decision to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [X] - Disallow "Geronimo" but allow the committers to come up with any
> other name they want (barring anything inappr
On Sat, 2003-11-29 at 18:35, Roy T. Fielding wrote:
> Apache was named after the Apache tribes -- "a patchy" server was an
> afterthought. We've generally avoided any discussion of the topic
> because involvement of a native american "activist" will only result
> in trouble for us. Those people a
On 29 Nov 2003, Jason van Zyl wrote:
> Of course I'm listening and am also asking you to think. It's
> controversial for a reason: most likely it's because some indigenous
> peoples find the use of their names in some contexts to be derogatory or
> offensive. I'm just asking people to think if in
> It should be left up to the project unless Geronimo is truly deemed
> inappropriate.
> The developers may wish to avoid the whole issue by renaming the
> codebase to something else but not be forced out of the name
> because it's perceived to be controversial by some.
Unless the Membership or t
On Sat, 2003-11-29 at 18:45, Rich Bowen wrote:
> On 29 Nov 2003, Jason van Zyl wrote:
>
> > It's not like it's "Geronimo: the society of baby seal clubbers" or
> > something nasty like that. It's a piece of free software that gives
> > people some choice and it uses the name of a native indian her
> The Geronimo folks are talking about making logos and there seems to
> be a desire to have official signoff on the name. Please vote on one
> of the following choices:
[ ] - Let them keep "Geronimo" as the official name.
[ ] - Punt the decision to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[X] - Disallow "Geronim
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