Niclas Hedhman wrote:
I am curious (never worked in a RTC environment);
Does that mean that people turn down offers of commit rights? Does it
mean that less commit rights are offered? Does it mean that commit
rights are offered to those that do reviews even if they don't write
much code?
No to
On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 5:30 AM, Doug Cutting wrote:
> Aidan Skinner wrote:
>>
>> I'd flip this around and look at it from the PoV of a
>> not-yet-committer. RTC means everybody goes through basically the same
>> process - (raise jira), hack, submit patch, patch gets reviewed, patch
>> gets commit
Aidan Skinner wrote:
I'd flip this around and look at it from the PoV of a
not-yet-committer. RTC means everybody goes through basically the same
process - (raise jira), hack, submit patch, patch gets reviewed, patch
gets committed regardless of whether they have a commit bit or not.
+1 With RT
Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
As I understood Owen's "Intro to Hadoop" talk at AC, Hadoop has
changed their methodology lately to CTR and found it to work far
better. (Duh.) -- justin
Hadoop uses RTC.
Doug
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Yup. We have all had different experiences, and I certainly
acknowledge it is possible to have a successful RTC model in place.
The real problem is that there is always a success story for any
position. "See? It works here." And there are *so* many factors that
go into that success, beyond the sim
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 3:16 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
> Not a "strong opinion", but I think that RTC hampers the free-flow of
> ideas, experimentation, evolution, and creativity. It is a damper on
> expressivity. You maneuver bureaucracy to get a change in. CTR is
> about making a change and discuss
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:44, Matthieu Riou
> wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 8:24 AM, ant elder wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Eric Evans
> wrote:
> >> > On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 07:16 +, ant elder wrote:
> >> >> so
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:44, Matthieu Riou wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 8:24 AM, ant elder wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Eric Evans wrote:
>> > On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 07:16 +, ant elder wrote:
>> >> so about 6 months ago to try to help with problems they were having,
>> >
Eric Evans wrote:
> Sure, but the IPMC is in a position of power, and can impose it's will
> upon the project (including CTR vs. RTC), right?
>
I have no clue whether the IPMC can impose such a decision. But I'm
very, very certain that it should not even consider trying. It's better
to ask the
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 8:55 AM, ant elder wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Jonathan Ellis wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 10:24 AM, ant elder wrote:
> >> So about 40% of the committed code is coming from others and reviewed
> >> by others - great - why not make some of those othe
On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 11:36 -0500, Greg Stein wrote:
> > I agree with you, but tabled my protest because in practice what we
> > have is working, doesn't seem to be a barrier to contribution, and >
> > everyone seems happy with it (even the casual contributors).
>
> I wouldn't say "everyone". This
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Jonathan Ellis wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 10:24 AM, ant elder wrote:
>> So about 40% of the committed code is coming from others and reviewed
>> by others - great - why not make some of those others committers?
>
> It's a long tail sort of thing.
>
> We fol
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 8:36 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:32, Eric Evans wrote:
> >...
> > I agree with this, and as a Cassandra committer I have in the past
> > protested our use of RTC. However, the current work-flow *in practice*
> > is more about having someone, anyone,
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:32, Eric Evans wrote:
>> I agree with you, but tabled my protest because in practice what we have
>> is working, doesn't seem to be a barrier to contribution, and everyone
>> seems happy with it (even the casual cont
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 8:24 AM, ant elder wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Eric Evans wrote:
> > On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 07:16 +, ant elder wrote:
> >> so about 6 months ago to try to help with problems they were having,
> >> and since then 99% of the commits have been made by only t
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 10:24 AM, ant elder wrote:
> So about 40% of the committed code is coming from others and reviewed
> by others - great - why not make some of those others committers?
It's a long tail sort of thing.
We follow the convention Johan suggested of assigning the Jira issue
to t
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:32, Eric Evans wrote:
>...
> I agree with this, and as a Cassandra committer I have in the past
> protested our use of RTC. However, the current work-flow *in practice*
> is more about having someone, anyone, give changes a once over (making
> sure they build, that tests
On Wed, 2009-11-11 at 22:16 -0500, Greg Stein wrote:
> Not a "strong opinion", but I think that RTC hampers the free-flow of
> ideas, experimentation, evolution, and creativity. It is a damper on
> expressivity. You maneuver bureaucracy to get a change in. CTR is
> about making a change and discuss
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Eric Evans wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 07:16 +, ant elder wrote:
>> so about 6 months ago to try to help with problems they were having,
>> and since then 99% of the commits have been made by only two people.
>
> I assume you're referring to Jonathan Ellis a
On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 07:16 +, ant elder wrote:
> so about 6 months ago to try to help with problems they were having,
> and since then 99% of the commits have been made by only two people.
I assume you're referring to Jonathan Ellis and myself, and I'm not sure
that's exactly fair. There are
On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 08:44 +0100, Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
> I think part of Cassandra's problem is that they do releases directly
> from trunk and don't have a 'stable' et al branch.
No, this isn't (has never been) true.
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/cassandra/branches/
The cassa
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 8:16 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
> Not a "strong opinion", but I think that RTC hampers the free-flow of
> ideas, experimentation, evolution, and creativity. It is a damper on
> expressivity. You maneuver bureaucracy to get a change in. CTR is
> about making a change and discussi
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 7:16 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
> Not a "strong opinion", but I think that RTC hampers the free-flow of
> ideas, experimentation, evolution, and creativity. It is a damper on
> expressivity. You maneuver bureaucracy to get a change in. CTR is
> about making a change and discussi
Michael Wechner wrote:
Ian Boston schrieb:
not least because committed mistakes demand fixing by the committer
and then anyone who can fix the bug. The only downside is that
occasionally trunk wont build/run and if trunk is close to production
that probably matters.
I think another downsi
Ian Boston schrieb:
not least because committed mistakes demand fixing by the committer
and then anyone who can fix the bug. The only downside is that
occasionally trunk wont build/run and if trunk is close to production
that probably matters.
I think another downside is, that (maybe depen
On 12 Nov 2009, at 03:16, Greg Stein wrote:
Not a "strong opinion", but I think that RTC hampers the free-flow of
ideas, experimentation, evolution, and creativity. It is a damper on
expressivity. You maneuver bureaucracy to get a change in. CTR is
about making a change and discussing it. But y
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 4:16 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
> I've participated in both styles of development. RTC is *stifling*. I
> would never want to see that in any Apache community for its routine
> development (branch releases are another matter).
>
> My opinion is that it is very unfortunate that C
I agree with that. And before graduation I think it might be worth
trying to get CTR used more, they do seem open this -
http://markmail.org/message/i255ekzxpuesow44
...ant
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 3:16 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
> Not a "strong opinion", but I think that RTC hampers the free-flow
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Daniel Kulp wrote:
>
> As Martijn alluded to, I think we'd need some more context as to why and how
> they use RTC.
>
This appears to be where it came from:
http://markmail.org/message/d45dmasuwnda25wd
so about 6 months ago to try to help with problems they wer
Not a "strong opinion", but I think that RTC hampers the free-flow of
ideas, experimentation, evolution, and creativity. It is a damper on
expressivity. You maneuver bureaucracy to get a change in. CTR is
about making a change and discussing it. But you get *forward
progress*.
I also feel that RTC
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Emmanuel Lecharny wrote:
> Matthieu Riou wrote:
>>
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> What's the take of other mentors and the IPMC on podlings practicing RTC?
>> I'm asking because some seem to see it as a blocker for graduation whereas
>> I
>> see it much more as a development me
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Leo Simons wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Matthieu Riou
> wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Daniel Kulp wrote:
> >>
> >> As Martijn alluded to, I think we'd need some more context as to why and
> >> how they use RTC.
> >>
> > Yes, sorry for
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Matthieu Riou wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Daniel Kulp wrote:
>>
>> As Martijn alluded to, I think we'd need some more context as to why and
>> how they use RTC.
>>
> Yes, sorry for the lack of details. The context is Cassandra and they're
> doing RTC
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Daniel Kulp wrote:
>
> As Martijn alluded to, I think we'd need some more context as to why and
> how
> they use RTC.
>
>
Yes, sorry for the lack of details. The context is Cassandra and they're
doing RTC by community choice. They all seem to agree that RTC is the
As Martijn alluded to, I think we'd need some more context as to why and how
they use RTC.
If all the reviews are done by a single person because that is what they want,
THAT would be a problem. If the reviews are a community driven thing and the
community thinks that's the best way for
Matthieu Riou wrote:
Hi guys,
What's the take of other mentors and the IPMC on podlings practicing RTC?
I'm asking because some seem to see it as a blocker for graduation whereas I
see it much more as a development methodology with little community impact
and therefore no real influence on gradu
As long as the community is not divided on the issue whether to
practice RTC vs CTR, I see no blocker for graduation.
That is: as long as RTC was not installed to mitigate problems inside
the community. If that is the case, the community may still be broken,
with the underlying issue mopped under
Hi guys,
What's the take of other mentors and the IPMC on podlings practicing RTC?
I'm asking because some seem to see it as a blocker for graduation whereas I
see it much more as a development methodology with little community impact
and therefore no real influence on graduation. Strong opinions
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