Re: ODF Toolkit may need help

2015-09-05 Thread Dave Fisher
Thanks. Regarding domain names that's good advice. Should retirement happen we can follow that course. There seems to be fresh blood in the project. We will need to see. Regards, Dave Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 5, 2015, at 6:59 PM, Henri Yandell wrote: > > I don't see any project within t

Re: ODF Toolkit may need help

2015-09-05 Thread Henri Yandell
I don't see any project within the Attic that came there from the Incubator. If one did, it should have passed its IP items already. My opinion on domain names for a project not graduating is that we give it back to who gave it to us, or if they don't want it back, let them decide who we should g

Re: ODF Toolkit may need help

2015-09-05 Thread Greg Stein
If the podling *has* cleared all IP, then I could see allowing it. But we certainly don't want improper IP residing in the Attic. These aren't Apache projects until graduation, so don't really belong. I can see releases strengthening the argument for archival. Henri should be able to clarify. Che

Re: ODF Toolkit may need help

2015-09-05 Thread Ian C
As this discussion is taking place someone just asked to join the project On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 3:34 AM, Dave Fisher wrote: > I recollect seeing a retiring podling with releases go to the attic. If that > is not correct or it was an exceptional case then thanks for the correction. > > What

Re: ODF Toolkit may need help

2015-09-04 Thread Dave Fisher
I recollect seeing a retiring podling with releases go to the attic. If that is not correct or it was an exceptional case then thanks for the correction. What would be done with domain names? The podling came in with the domain name offtoolkit.org. What happens to that? Regards, Dave Sent from

Re: ODF Toolkit may need help

2015-09-03 Thread Greg Stein
The Attic is for Apache projects. Podlings are simply retired/removed. On Sep 4, 2015 9:23 AM, "Dave Fisher" wrote: > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Sep 3, 2015, at 5:12 AM, John D. Ament wrote: > > > > Hi Rob, > >> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 7:56 AM Rob Weir wrote: > >> > >> On Wed, Sep 2, 2015

Re: ODF Toolkit may need help

2015-09-03 Thread Dave Fisher
Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 3, 2015, at 5:12 AM, John D. Ament wrote: > > Hi Rob, >> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 7:56 AM Rob Weir wrote: >> >> On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 6:25 AM, John D. Ament >> wrote: >>> All, >>> >>> I'd like to bring to your attention the ODF Toolkit podling. >>> >>> This pod

Re: ODF Toolkit may need help

2015-09-03 Thread John D. Ament
Hi Rob, On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 7:56 AM Rob Weir wrote: > On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 6:25 AM, John D. Ament > wrote: > > All, > > > > I'd like to bring to your attention the ODF Toolkit podling. > > > > This podling has been incubating for over 4 years now. Last month they > > filed a report without

Re: ODF Toolkit may need help

2015-09-03 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 6:25 AM, John D. Ament wrote: > All, > > I'd like to bring to your attention the ODF Toolkit podling. > > This podling has been incubating for over 4 years now. Last month they > filed a report without mentor sign off, without any feedback on the mailing > list. They have

Re: ODF Toolkit may need help

2015-09-03 Thread Pierre Smits
This call for help points out that going through the incubation is more than just adopting the Apache Way and turning out releases. Developing the community is critical and communication is key to that. I wonder about what has been done in that area and whether there are lessons that can be learne

Re: ODF Toolkit may need help

2015-09-02 Thread Louis Suárez-Potts
> On 02 Sep 15, at 21:51, Ian C wrote: > > Before moving it to the attic is there anything that can be done to > publicise the need for people and try to attract them? > I would love to see it continue. The philosophical issues—differences, they’re pretty deep—as well as the technological pref

Re: ODF Toolkit may need help

2015-09-02 Thread toki
On 03/09/15 01:51, Ian C wrote: > I'm not sure on the numbers or the details. It would be a shame to alienate > them. The earliest mention of going to the attic on the ODF-Toolkit Users list was on 21 January 2014. http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-odf-users/201401.mbox/%3ccap-k

RE: ODF Toolkit may need help

2015-09-02 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
- From: Ian C [mailto:i...@apache.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2015 18:52 To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: ODF Toolkit may need help Hi All, I wrote the last none mentor signed off report for the ODF Toolit. It has been, is, very quiet, but I believe there are a number of users

Re: ODF Toolkit may need help

2015-09-02 Thread Ian C
Hi All, I wrote the last none mentor signed off report for the ODF Toolit. It has been, is, very quiet, but I believe there are a number of users out there. I'm not sure on the numbers or the details. It would be a shame to alienate them. Whatever we do let's try to make sure they understand what

Re: ODF Toolkit may need help

2015-09-02 Thread jan i
On 2 September 2015 at 17:11, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: > > > On 02 Sep 15, at 10:28, toki wrote: > > > > > > > > On 02/09/15 10:25, John D. Ament wrote: > > > >> I'd like to bring to your attention the ODF Toolkit podling. > > > > This project has been torn between going to the attic, or becomi

Re: ODF Toolkit may need help

2015-09-02 Thread Louis Suárez-Potts
> On 02 Sep 15, at 10:28, toki wrote: > > > > On 02/09/15 10:25, John D. Ament wrote: > >> I'd like to bring to your attention the ODF Toolkit podling. > > This project has been torn between going to the attic, or becoming a > sub-project of another project, since at least January 2014. > >

Re: ODF Toolkit may need help

2015-09-02 Thread toki
On 02/09/15 10:25, John D. Ament wrote: > I'd like to bring to your attention the ODF Toolkit podling. This project has been torn between going to the attic, or becoming a sub-project of another project, since at least January 2014. IMNSHO, it should go to the attic, with Apache Corinthia pick

Re: ODF Toolkit

2011-08-01 Thread drew
On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 15:16 +0100, Nick Burch wrote: > On Mon, 1 Aug 2011, drew wrote: > > Wondering if it is still appropriate, acceptable, to add myself to the > > list of initial Committers > > Alas not, Not a problem. > now the proposal has been accepted, that initial list is final > > The

Re: ODF Toolkit

2011-08-01 Thread Nick Burch
On Mon, 1 Aug 2011, drew wrote: Wondering if it is still appropriate, acceptable, to add myself to the list of initial Committers Alas not, now the proposal has been accepted, that initial list is final The good news is that as soon as the lists are set up, the podling would be able to vote y

Re: ODF Toolkit Incubation Pre-Proposal

2011-07-01 Thread Nick Burch
On Fri, 1 Jul 2011, Rob Weir wrote: We continue to discuss moving this work to Apache. Feedback so far has been to try for an eventual TLP. We're starting to draft the Incubation proposal. We talked to the maintainer of the C#/AODL component and he confirmed that it is not really active anym

Re: ODF Toolkit Incubation Pre-Proposal

2011-07-01 Thread Rob Weir
We continue to discuss moving this work to Apache. Feedback so far has been to try for an eventual TLP. We're starting to draft the Incubation proposal. We talked to the maintainer of the C#/AODL component and he confirmed that it is not really active anymore. He might move it to bitbucket. So

Re: ODF Toolkit Incubation Pre-Proposal

2011-06-28 Thread Daniel Shahaf
Rob Weir wrote on Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 07:52:58 -0400: > On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 6:31 AM, Daniel Shahaf > wrote: > > Rob Weir wrote on Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 20:51:53 -0400: > >> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Daniel Shahaf > >> wrote: > >> > Rob Weir wrote on Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 19:00:50 -040

Re: ODF Toolkit Incubation Pre-Proposal

2011-06-28 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 6:31 AM, Daniel Shahaf wrote: > Rob Weir wrote on Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 20:51:53 -0400: >> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Daniel Shahaf >> wrote: >> > Rob Weir wrote on Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 19:00:50 -0400: >> >> Hi Dennis, >> >> >> >> If I understand correctly, the pract

Re: ODF Toolkit Incubation Pre-Proposal

2011-06-28 Thread Yegor Kozlov
Hi Rob, I'm a committer and PMC in the POI project and I'm interested in integration with the ODF Toolkit. Apache will be a good home for this codebase and many ASF projects will benefit from it. For POI I see the following potential benefits: - have a common Java API to manipulate with Spreadsh

Re: ODF Toolkit Incubation Pre-Proposal

2011-06-28 Thread Daniel Shahaf
Rob Weir wrote on Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 20:51:53 -0400: > On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Daniel Shahaf > wrote: > > Rob Weir wrote on Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 19:00:50 -0400: > >> Hi Dennis, > >> > >> If I understand correctly, the practice at Apache would be to remove > >> these legacy copyright st

Re: ODF Toolkit Incubation Pre-Proposal

2011-06-27 Thread Ross Gardler
I'm top posting because you've answered most of the immediate issues I had. I apologise for not having looked deeper and found the activity you are referring to. I was clearly only looking at top level mailing lists. Thanks for taking the time to point me in the right direction, that kenai site is

Re: ODF Toolkit Incubation Pre-Proposal

2011-06-27 Thread Craig L Russell
On Jun 27, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Rob Weir wrote: On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Daniel Shahaf wrote: Rob Weir wrote on Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 19:00:50 -0400: Hi Dennis, If I understand correctly, the practice at Apache would be to remove these legacy copyright statements and aggregate them int

Re: ODF Toolkit Incubation Pre-Proposal

2011-06-27 Thread Rob Weir
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Daniel Shahaf wrote: > Rob Weir wrote on Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 19:00:50 -0400: >> Hi Dennis, >> >> If I understand correctly, the practice at Apache would be to remove >> these legacy copyright statements and aggregate them into a single >> NOTICE document.  This wo

Re: ODF Toolkit Incubation Pre-Proposal

2011-06-27 Thread Daniel Shahaf
Rob Weir wrote on Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 19:00:50 -0400: > Hi Dennis, > > If I understand correctly, the practice at Apache would be to remove > these legacy copyright statements and aggregate them into a single > NOTICE document. This would be true, even if it says "DO NOT ALTER OR > REMOVE". I i

Re: ODF Toolkit Incubation Pre-Proposal

2011-06-27 Thread Dave Fisher
Keep in mind this thread is in three places or two places or one place all depending on how people have replied. It will be confusing. Please include POI-DEV so we can discuss it here without going everywhere else as well. On Jun 27, 2011, at 3:44 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > FYI Apache OpenOffic

Re: ODF Toolkit Incubation Pre-Proposal

2011-06-27 Thread Sam Ruby
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 7:00 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > Hi Dennis, > > If I understand correctly, the practice at Apache would be to remove > these legacy copyright statements and aggregate them into a single > NOTICE document.  This would be true, even if it says "DO NOT ALTER OR > REMOVE".  I imagine

Re: ODF Toolkit Incubation Pre-Proposal

2011-06-27 Thread Kazunari Hirano
Hi Rob and all, Please help a non-English speaker, it's me :) , in the midst of jargon; ODF, Apache, OASIS, ISO/IEC JTC1, OpenOffice, LibreOffice, Symphony, KOffice/Calligra, Microsoft Office, Corel Wordperfect, Google Docs, ODFDOM, DOM API, Conformance Tools, XSLTRunner, AODL, C#/.NET, Java, PDFB

Re: ODF Toolkit Incubation Pre-Proposal

2011-06-27 Thread Rob Weir
Hi Dennis, If I understand correctly, the practice at Apache would be to remove these legacy copyright statements and aggregate them into a single NOTICE document. This would be true, even if it says "DO NOT ALTER OR REMOVE". I imagine they would even tear off those tags on mattresses. -Rob On

Re: ODF Toolkit Incubation Pre-Proposal

2011-06-27 Thread Dave Fisher
FYI Apache OpenOffice.org podling has been active for two weeks. Information is here. http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal http://incubator.apache.org/projects/openofficeorg.html http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/ What do the people here on the POI project think of gettin

Re: ODF Toolkit Incubation Pre-Proposal

2011-06-27 Thread Rob Weir
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 6:30 PM, Lee Fisher wrote: >> There is activity.  It just is not evenly distributed. > [...] > > I presume the activity is more in the Java libraries. :-) > I not asking you to presume anything. I'm just following up on interest expressed on this list a few weeks ago. I

Re: ODF Toolkit Incubation Pre-Proposal

2011-06-27 Thread Lee Fisher
> There is activity. It just is not evenly distributed. [...] I presume the activity is more in the Java libraries. :-) As for activity in the AODL, the .NET library: The home page's link to source is broken. http://odftoolkit.org/projects/aodl/pages/Home points to: http://odftoolkit.org/sourc

Re: ODF Toolkit Incubation Pre-Proposal

2011-06-27 Thread Rob Weir
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: > Thanks Rob, > > Looking I've the Kenai site I notice that there is as good as no visible > activity within the project. You mention that the "ODF Toolkit Union Steering > Committee" met and approved the idea of this proposal, but this is not

RE: ODF Toolkit Incubation Pre-Proposal

2011-06-27 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I support this idea. I think with regard to need for an SGA or not, there is the matter of the current headings at the tops of source files. (I have no idea what is required, I'm simply observing what is there.) - Dennis "/***

Re: ODF Toolkit Incubation Pre-Proposal

2011-06-27 Thread Ross Gardler
Thanks Rob, Looking I've the Kenai site I notice that there is as good as no visible activity within the project. You mention that the "ODF Toolkit Union Steering Committee" met and approved the idea of this proposal, but this is not visible so we don't know what this means. What interest is