Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Pivot

2009-11-19 Thread David Crossley
Todd Volkert wrote: > > The Apache Pivot community feels that it is ready to graduate into the > "Apache Pivot" top-level project. > > Please place your votes within the next 72 hours -- to serve as > recommendations to the Board at the December Board meeting. +1 -David ---

Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Pivot

2009-11-19 Thread Alan D. Cabrera
+1 Regards, Alan On Nov 17, 2009, at 9:47 AM, Todd Volkert wrote: Hi all, The Apache Pivot community feels that it is ready to graduate into the "Apache Pivot" top-level project. Please place your votes within the next 72 hours -- to serve as recommendations to the Board at the December Boa

Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Pivot

2009-11-18 Thread Kevan Miller
On Nov 17, 2009, at 12:47 PM, Todd Volkert wrote: > Hi all, > > The Apache Pivot community feels that it is ready to graduate into the > "Apache Pivot" top-level project. > > Please place your votes within the next 72 hours -- to serve as > recommendations to the Board at the December Board mee

Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Pivot

2009-11-17 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 1:47 AM, Todd Volkert wrote: > Hi all, > > The Apache Pivot community feels that it is ready to graduate into the > "Apache Pivot" top-level project. > > Please place your votes within the next 72 hours -- to serve as > recommendations to the Board at the December Board mee

Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Pivot

2009-11-17 Thread Ralph Goers
On Nov 17, 2009, at 9:47 AM, Todd Volkert wrote: > Hi all, > > The Apache Pivot community feels that it is ready to graduate into the > "Apache Pivot" top-level project. > > Please place your votes within the next 72 hours -- to serve as > recommendations to the Board at the December Board meet

Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Pivot

2009-11-17 Thread Niall Pemberton
+1 Niall On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Todd Volkert wrote: > Hi all, > > The Apache Pivot community feels that it is ready to graduate into the > "Apache Pivot" top-level project. > > Please place your votes within the next 72 hours -- to serve as > recommendations to the Board at the Decembe

Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Pivot

2009-11-17 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, [x] +1, Graduate Apache Pivot BR, Jukka Zitting - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org

Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Pivot

2009-11-17 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
> [X ] +1, Graduate Apache Pivot Congrats! -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org

Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Pivot

2009-11-17 Thread Martijn Dashorst
+1 On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 8:51 PM, Leo Simons wrote: > On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Todd Volkert wrote: >> The Apache Pivot community feels that it is ready to graduate into the >> "Apache Pivot" top-level project. > > +1 from me! > > cheers, > > Leo > >

Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Pivot

2009-11-17 Thread Leo Simons
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Todd Volkert wrote: > The Apache Pivot community feels that it is ready to graduate into the > "Apache Pivot" top-level project. +1 from me! cheers, Leo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubs

Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Pivot

2009-08-08 Thread Niclas Hedhman
Ok, let's do this; I hereby call off the vote and will restart it next month, unless the increase of activity is not sustained... Cheers Niclas On Aug 8, 2009 6:43 PM, "Jukka Zitting" wrote: Hi, On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote: > [x] -1, Apache Pivo... If this vote is still

Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Pivot

2009-08-08 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote: > [x] -1, Apache Pivot is not ready to graduate, because... If this vote is still on, I would like to change my vote to +0. This vote seems to have sparked a lot of new activity in Pivot, addressing my concerns. My vote will be +1 once it's

Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Pivot

2009-08-05 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Thorsten Scherler wrote: > On Tue, 2009-08-04 at 11:23 +0100, Niall Pemberton wrote: > ... >> > Bottom line: activity is hardly measurable since you can be active in >> > the community or in code or both. Being active on the ml is even more >> > important then commi

Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Pivot

2009-08-05 Thread Paul Fremantle
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Greg Brown wrote: >> It may be worth noting that Pivot is not technically a "VMware project". >> Todd and I work on Pivot on our own time. We just happen to work for the >> same company.  :-) > > That ce

Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Pivot

2009-08-05 Thread ant elder
For the record, I'm -1, i'd like to see a bit more diversity of the active committers to show this is operating as an Apache project should. ...ant On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 3:24 AM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: > Gang, > > Apache Pivot is one of the fastest moving codebases at Apache, and the > Pivot t

Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Pivot

2009-08-05 Thread Martijn Dashorst
eryzhikov didn't come with the team afaik, but his commits are from historical imports. Martijn On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 9:47 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: > Niclas Hedhman wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Thorsten >> Scherler wrote: >> >>> How many committers are in the project? As unde

Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Pivot

2009-08-04 Thread Greg Brown
[I presume the three browns above are all one in the same person.) Yes - all me. :-) I believe they reflect my user name on the various SVN repositories in which Pivot has resided (java.net, Google Code, and now ASF). ---

Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Pivot

2009-08-04 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Niclas Hedhman wrote: > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Thorsten > Scherler wrote: > >> How many committers are in the project? As understand from the thread 2 >> coding committers but how many other committers? > > 5 committers and PPMC Members in total, not counting 2 mentors. gbrown

Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Pivot

2009-08-04 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Thorsten Scherler wrote: > On Tue, 2009-08-04 at 18:16 +0800, Niclas Hedhman wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Thorsten >> Scherler wrote: >> >>> How many committers are in the project? As understand from the thread 2 >>> coding committers but how many other committers? >> 5 committers and

Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Pivot

2009-08-04 Thread Matthieu Riou
I'm +1 as well. I fully respect Jukka's opinion, I'm just placing my own line on the other side of the gray area (if that makes sense). Matthieu On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 4:40 AM, Martijn Dashorst wrote: > +1 > > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 4:24 AM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: > > Gang, > > > > Apache Pivot

Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Pivot

2009-08-04 Thread Martijn Dashorst
In most discussions I hear (I think it is Roy's quote): "Not community *over* code, but community *for* code" Martijn - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h..

Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Pivot

2009-08-04 Thread Ross Gardler
2009/8/4 Thorsten Scherler : > On Tue, 2009-08-04 at 18:16 +0800, Niclas Hedhman wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Thorsten >> Scherler wrote: >> >> > How many committers are in the project? As understand from the thread 2 >> > coding committers but how many other committers? >> >> 5 commit

Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Pivot

2009-08-04 Thread Thorsten Scherler
On Tue, 2009-08-04 at 11:23 +0100, Niall Pemberton wrote: ... > > Bottom line: activity is hardly measurable since you can be active in > > the community or in code or both. Being active on the ml is even more > > important then committing code, or do we not always saying community > > over code? >

Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Pivot

2009-08-04 Thread Thorsten Scherler
On Tue, 2009-08-04 at 18:16 +0800, Niclas Hedhman wrote: > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Thorsten > Scherler wrote: > > > How many committers are in the project? As understand from the thread 2 > > coding committers but how many other committers? > > 5 committers and PPMC Members in total, not

Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Pivot

2009-08-04 Thread Niall Pemberton
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Thorsten Scherler wrote: > On Tue, 2009-08-04 at 10:48 +0100, ant elder wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Ross Gardler > wrote: >> >> > I would suggest that anyone wishing to vote -1 on the graduation of > a >> > podling on grounds of diversity of code comm

Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Pivot

2009-08-04 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Thorsten Scherler wrote: > How many committers are in the project? As understand from the thread 2 > coding committers but how many other committers? 5 committers and PPMC Members in total, not counting 2 mentors. Cheers -- Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer htt

Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Pivot

2009-08-04 Thread Thorsten Scherler
On Tue, 2009-08-04 at 10:48 +0100, ant elder wrote: > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: > > > I would suggest that anyone wishing to vote -1 on the graduation of a > > podling on grounds of diversity of code commits needs to back it up > > with documented evidence that either a)

Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Pivot

2009-08-04 Thread ant elder
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: > I would suggest that anyone wishing to vote -1 on the graduation of a > podling on grounds of diversity of code commits needs to back it up > with documented evidence that either a) the committers are not > listening to the community or b) the

Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Pivot

2009-08-04 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Greg Brown wrote: > It may be worth noting that Pivot is not technically a "VMware project". > Todd and I work on Pivot on our own time. We just happen to work for the > same company.  :-) That certainly helps with the diversity requirement. Even then I think t

Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Pivot

2009-08-04 Thread Ross Gardler
2009/8/4 Bertrand Delacretaz : > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 4:26 AM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: >> On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote: >> >>> Sling explicitly waited until there were active committers from three >>> independent backgrounds until asking for graduation. >>> >>> At the end of

Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Pivot

2009-08-04 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > Taking Sling as an example again, the commit logs certainly show an > overwhelming number of commits from Day employees, but if you look at > the big picture it's clear that those committers are taking the > community opinions into accou

Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Pivot

2009-08-04 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 4:26 AM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote: > >> Sling explicitly waited until there were active committers from three >> independent backgrounds until asking for graduation. >> >> At the end of the day it's the people who write the c

Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Pivot

2009-08-03 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Niclas Hedhman wrote: > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote: > >> Sling explicitly waited until there were active committers from three >> independent backgrounds until asking for graduation. >> >> At the end of the day it's the people who write the code that decide >> where a proj

Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Pivot

2009-08-03 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote: > Sling explicitly waited until there were active committers from three > independent backgrounds until asking for graduation. > > At the end of the day it's the people who write the code that decide > where a project goes, So, you ARE saying t

Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Pivot

2009-08-03 Thread Greg Brown
Its still good to have some minimal diversity of the active committers and right now it looks like Pivot only has two people actively committing code and they're both from the same employer. It may be worth noting that Pivot is not technically a "VMware project". Todd and I work on Pivot on o

Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Pivot

2009-08-03 Thread ant elder
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Martijn Dashorst wrote: > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: >> 2009/8/3 Jukka Zitting : >>> Hi, >>> >>> [x] -1, Apache Pivot is not ready to graduate, because... >>> >>> I'm not seeing sufficient diversity of active committers [1] and not >>> too ma

Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Pivot

2009-08-03 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: > As I understand it there is sufficient diversity in the people with > binding votes to provide oversight for the project. That is what we > are trying to achieve here. I didn't hear this argument against Apache > Sling which has a less dive

Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Pivot

2009-08-03 Thread Martijn Dashorst
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: > 2009/8/3 Jukka Zitting : >> Hi, >> >> [x] -1, Apache Pivot is not ready to graduate, because... >> >> I'm not seeing sufficient diversity of active committers [1] and not >> too many people seem to be contributing patches [2]. My suggestion >> w

Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Pivot

2009-08-03 Thread Ross Gardler
2009/8/3 Jukka Zitting : > Hi, > > [x] -1, Apache Pivot is not ready to graduate, because... > > I'm not seeing sufficient diversity of active committers [1] and not > too many people seem to be contributing patches [2]. My suggestion > would be for Pivot to spend some more time growing the communi

Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Pivot

2009-08-03 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, [x] -1, Apache Pivot is not ready to graduate, because... I'm not seeing sufficient diversity of active committers [1] and not too many people seem to be contributing patches [2]. My suggestion would be for Pivot to spend some more time growing the community before graduation. [1] http://www

Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Pivot

2009-08-03 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: [x] +1, Graduate Apache Pivot [ ] 0, I don't care [ ] -1, Apache Pivot is not ready to graduate, because... Cheers -- Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer http://www.qi4j.org - New Energy for Java I live here; http://tinyurl.com/2qq9er I w

Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Pivot

2009-08-03 Thread Martijn Dashorst
+1 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 4:24 AM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: > Gang, > > Apache Pivot is one of the fastest moving codebases at Apache, and the > Pivot team has done an excellent job, both technically as well as > community-wise. The initial team consisting of two Vmware employees > showed good commun

Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Pivot

2009-08-03 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
> [X ] +1, Graduate Apache Pivot -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org