Re: [RT] Multiple Mentors

2003-11-18 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Leo Simons wrote: Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: What do you think? +1 to redundancy. -0 on making it an 'absolute' requirement. Of course. 1 Mentor is a requirement. >1 Mentor is a *strong* suggestion. We need to make sure we ourselves don't get so completely lost in figuring out the right process t

Re: [RT] Multiple Mentors

2003-11-18 Thread Leo Simons
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: What do you think? +1 to redundancy. -0 on making it an 'absolute' requirement. We need to make sure we ourselves don't get so completely lost in figuring out the right process that there is no energy left to apply it. cheers! - Leo -

New Status file template ( was Re: [RT] Multiple Mentors)

2003-11-13 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Stephen McConnell wrote: ... Keep in mind that I can see the use of JIRA for an incubation iniative as something seperate for a projects own use of JIRA for bug tracking. Same here. Projects can use Jira to track their Incubation status and issues. ... Ask the following question: * what are t

Re: [RT] Multiple Mentors

2003-11-13 Thread Stephen McConnell
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Stephen McConnell wrote: ... > An important aspect here is visibility of status and pending actions. This takes me back to the discussion about using JIRA - that's the sort of example where I could checkout open-actions on any incubator project - and based on that

Re: [RT] Multiple Mentors

2003-11-13 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Stephen McConnell wrote: ... > An important aspect here is visibility of status and pending actions. This takes me back to the discussion about using JIRA - that's the sort of example where I could checkout open-actions on any incubator project - and based on that information I could jump in a

Re: [RT] Multiple Mentors

2003-11-13 Thread Stephen McConnell
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Berin Lautenbach wrote: Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Berin Lautenbach wrote: Nicola, I suppose the only slight reservation would be who is accountable? The old "Fred Bloggs is looking after that" can kick in. I think the Incubator PMC also wants to be able to hold

Re: [RT] Multiple Mentors

2003-11-13 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Berin Lautenbach wrote: Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Berin Lautenbach wrote: Nicola, I suppose the only slight reservation would be who is accountable? The old "Fred Bloggs is looking after that" can kick in. I think the Incubator PMC also wants to be able to hold people accountable for inubat

Re: [RT] Multiple Mentors

2003-11-13 Thread Berin Lautenbach
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Berin Lautenbach wrote: Nicola, I suppose the only slight reservation would be who is accountable? The old "Fred Bloggs is looking after that" can kick in. I think the Incubator PMC also wants to be able to hold people accountable for inubation activities. Gets har

RE: [RT] Multiple Mentors

2003-11-12 Thread Noel J. Bergman
> > I think the accountable individual is an important criteria! > > If the accountable person fails No. We are a Community. We do not ALLOW an "accountable person" to fail. We are supposed to be here on behalf of the ASF and on behalf of the podling. It isn't a matter of an accountable person

RE: [RT] Multiple Mentors

2003-11-12 Thread Noel J. Bergman
> who is accountable? The PMC is accountable. There has been much expecting someone else to take care of things, and too little of making sure that things get done. Everyone who has seen something that needs to be done, and hasn't at least made sure that it did, gets to share the problem. And ev

Re: [RT] Multiple Mentors

2003-11-12 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Stephen McConnell wrote: Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: ... If the accountable person fails, what can we do? Nothing. > I think the accountable individual is an important criteria! If the accountable person fails We have to make it so that he does not fail. This proposal is based on the fact that i

Re: [RT] Multiple Mentors

2003-11-12 Thread Stephen McConnell
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Berin Lautenbach wrote: Nicola, I suppose the only slight reservation would be who is accountable? The old "Fred Bloggs is looking after that" can kick in. I think the Incubator PMC also wants to be able to hold people accountable for inubation activities. Gets

Re: [RT] Multiple Mentors

2003-11-12 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Berin Lautenbach wrote: Nicola, I suppose the only slight reservation would be who is accountable? The old "Fred Bloggs is looking after that" can kick in. I think the Incubator PMC also wants to be able to hold people accountable for inubation activities. Gets harder with multiple people. I

Re: [RT] Multiple Mentors

2003-11-12 Thread Berin Lautenbach
Nicola, I suppose the only slight reservation would be who is accountable? The old "Fred Bloggs is looking after that" can kick in. I think the Incubator PMC also wants to be able to hold people accountable for inubation activities. Gets harder with multiple people. Does it have to be forma

Re: [RT] Multiple Mentors

2003-11-12 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On Wednesday, November 12, 2003, at 05:46 AM, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: ... In any case, the Mentors are on the PMC, so the PMC responsiveness would increase with more Mentors that are active on the projects being there. Am I on the incubator PMC? I'm now assisting J

Re: [RT] Multiple Mentors

2003-11-12 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
On Wednesday, November 12, 2003, at 05:46 AM, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Jochen Wiedmann wrote: Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: From the current incubations, it's becoming quite clear IMO that a single Mentor is not enough for most, if not all, incubated >>> projects. As far as JaxMe is concerned, we

Re: [RT] Multiple Mentors

2003-11-12 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Jochen Wiedmann wrote: Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: From the current incubations, it's becoming quite clear IMO that a single Mentor is not enough for most, if not all, incubated projects. As far as JaxMe is concerned, we had so far more problems with missing replies on [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAI

Re: [RT] Multiple Mentors

2003-11-12 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: From the current incubations, it's becoming quite clear IMO that a single Mentor is not enough for most, if not all, incubated projects. As far as JaxMe is concerned, we had so far more problems with missing replies on [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dims, our m