Re: Question to TDF and its community

2011-06-07 Thread Christoph Jopp
Am 07.06.2011 07:49, schrieb Christian Grobmeier: > ... > > With OOo the company was nasty and people went away and were happy. > The company wants the project at the ASF, and some people complain > now. I think it's far more complex and dates back very long. (see below) > After all I never reall

Re: Question to TDF and its community

2011-06-07 Thread Simon Brouwer
Christian Grobmeier schreef: >> We didn't balk when Geronimo was proposed, despite complaints from >> JBoss. >> We didn't balk when Felix (nee Oscar) was proposed.  We didn't balk in >> other >> cases.  We have never picked winners, we have incubated projects and >> let the >> community pick the

Re: Question to TDF and its community

2011-06-07 Thread Ian Lynch
On 7 June 2011 06:49, Christian Grobmeier wrote: With OOo the company was nasty and people went away and were happy. > The company wants the project at the ASF, and some people complain > now. After all I never really heard the words "I want it at the ASF" > from somebody with OOo adress I have

Re: Question to TDF and its community

2011-06-06 Thread Christian Grobmeier
> We didn't balk when Geronimo was proposed, despite complaints from JBoss. > We didn't balk when Felix (nee Oscar) was proposed.  We didn't balk in other > cases.  We have never picked winners, we have incubated projects and let the > community pick the winners.  I don't see a reason to change our

Re: Question to TDF and its community

2011-06-06 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi, Jochen Wiedmann wrote on 2011-06-06 23.10: Niclas, several people from TDF/LO, including Florian Effenberger, have expressed their wish that the project should be accepted on this mailing list. Simple reason: They consider the alternatives (code stays within Oracle or whatever else) worse t

Re: Question to TDF and its community

2011-06-06 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: > For the record; I am opposing this contribution and will vote -1, > unless there is a clear indication that TDF/LO is behind it 100% and > the two projects are on a trajectory of a merge. Niclas, several people from TDF/LO, including Flori

Re: Question to TDF and its community

2011-06-06 Thread Joe Schaefer
om: Niclas Hedhman > To: general@incubator.apache.org > Sent: Mon, June 6, 2011 4:47:12 PM > Subject: Re: Question to TDF and its community > > Thank you both for (what I perceive as) balanced responses, without > all the noise out there. > > For the record; I am opposing

RE: Question to TDF and its community

2011-06-06 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Niclas Hedhman wrote: > For the record; I am opposing this contribution and will vote -1, > unless there is a clear indication that TDF/LO is behind it 100% and > the two projects are on a trajectory of a merge. I urge TDF to participate, but their participation should not be a prerequisite for u

Re: Question to TDF and its community

2011-06-06 Thread Niclas Hedhman
Thank you both for (what I perceive as) balanced responses, without all the noise out there. For the record; I am opposing this contribution and will vote -1, unless there is a clear indication that TDF/LO is behind it 100% and the two projects are on a trajectory of a merge. I don't want to see A

Re: Question to TDF and its community

2011-06-06 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi Niclas, Niclas Hedhman wrote on 2011-06-06 18.12: I was on a long flight and came back to an immense number of mails here and elsewhere on this topic, so please bear with me if this has been brought up before, by someone else. hope you had a safte trip, and I can feel with you - I had seve

Re: Question to TDF and its community

2011-06-06 Thread Ian Lynch
On 6 June 2011 17:12, Niclas Hedhman wrote: Was it already at that time known that Oracle was going with a liberal > license, and the fork was then a choice based in the ideological > differences in licensing? > > If it was not, how would the people who forked then have reacted if > Oracle did th

Question to TDF and its community

2011-06-06 Thread Niclas Hedhman
Dear TDFers, I was on a long flight and came back to an immense number of mails here and elsewhere on this topic, so please bear with me if this has been brought up before, by someone else. I vaguely recall the fork of OOo into LibreOffice, and if memory serves me right it was due to escape Orac