Re: Fw: [VOTE] Graduate ACE from the Apache Incubator

2011-11-21 Thread Joe Schaefer
t; From: Alex Karasulu > To: general@incubator.apache.org > Cc: > Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 12:32 PM > Subject: Re: Fw: [VOTE] Graduate ACE from the Apache Incubator > > On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 7:26 PM, Guillaume Nodet wrote: > >> That's really a good quest

Re: Fw: [VOTE] Graduate ACE from the Apache Incubator

2011-11-21 Thread Alex Karasulu
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 7:26 PM, Guillaume Nodet wrote: > That's really a good question. I'm using apache projects a lot but I've > never downloaded a single source release since ages, mostly using svn to > checkout / build, or maven source jars for debugging within the ide as you > said. > I k

Re: Fw: [VOTE] Graduate ACE from the Apache Incubator

2011-11-21 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 05:11:37PM +, ant elder wrote: > I now wonder what is the point of the source release at all, other than IDE > debugging or reading APIs, for real development you'd ave to get the SVN > tag. I recall some very lengthy threads in 2007-2009 regarding whether our source co

Re: Fw: [VOTE] Graduate ACE from the Apache Incubator

2011-11-21 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 11/21/2011 11:11 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: Speaking wearing a hat: There is no requirement for monolithic releases. The project can choose whatever units it likes to release, so long as each one of them is fully buildable from the materials voted on in the release. If they want to hold one

Re: Fw: [VOTE] Graduate ACE from the Apache Incubator

2011-11-21 Thread Guillaume Nodet
ainly doesn't offer its test suite as part of > > a release- you have to download that (from svn) yourself. > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > >> From: sebb > >> To: general@incubator.apache.org; Joe Schaefer > >> Cc: &g

Re: Fw: [VOTE] Graduate ACE from the Apache Incubator

2011-11-21 Thread ant elder
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: > > On the other hand, where have we been all this time? They've shipped > as many releases as they've shipped, and gotten votes from this PMC, > and now, at the time of the graduation vote, all this produces a ton > of email? > I agree wi

Re: Fw: [VOTE] Graduate ACE from the Apache Incubator

2011-11-21 Thread Benson Margulies
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 12:11 PM, ant elder wrote: > Gosh. Well perhaps its me that needs to go back to school then. But i > find this most unexpected. The ASF FAQ on what is a release says "All > releases are in the form of the source materials needed to make > changes to the software being relea

Re: Fw: [VOTE] Graduate ACE from the Apache Incubator

2011-11-21 Thread ant elder
ator.apache.org; Joe Schaefer >> Cc: >> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 10:59 AM >> Subject: Re: Fw: [VOTE] Graduate ACE from the Apache Incubator >> >> On 21 November 2011 15:48, Joe Schaefer wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>  -

Re: Fw: [VOTE] Graduate ACE from the Apache Incubator

2011-11-21 Thread Benson Margulies
Speaking wearing a hat: There is no requirement for monolithic releases. The project can choose whatever units it likes to release, so long as each one of them is fully buildable from the materials voted on in the release. If they want to hold one vote on 400 of them, well, it casts some doubt on

Re: Fw: [VOTE] Graduate ACE from the Apache Incubator

2011-11-21 Thread davidb
Totally agree. Best regards, David Bosschaert On 21 November 2011 16:32, Carsten Ziegeler wrote: > I still think that the release is a proper release - as Karl explained > we could have done "better" source releases per module etc., but there > is nothing fundamentally wrong. > I don't think th

Re: Fw: [VOTE] Graduate ACE from the Apache Incubator

2011-11-21 Thread Carsten Ziegeler
I still think that the release is a proper release - as Karl explained we could have done "better" source releases per module etc., but there is nothing fundamentally wrong. I don't think that these issues should block the project from graduation either. Carsten -- Carsten Ziegeler cziege...@apac

Re: Fw: [VOTE] Graduate ACE from the Apache Incubator

2011-11-21 Thread Joe Schaefer
Monday, November 21, 2011 10:59 AM > Subject: Re: Fw: [VOTE] Graduate ACE from the Apache Incubator > > On 21 November 2011 15:48, Joe Schaefer wrote: >> >> >> >> >> - Forwarded Message - >>> From: Joe Schaefer >>> To: Kar

Re: Fw: [VOTE] Graduate ACE from the Apache Incubator

2011-11-21 Thread sebb
On 21 November 2011 15:48, Joe Schaefer wrote: > > > > > - Forwarded Message - >>From: Joe Schaefer >>To: Karl Pauls ; "general@incubator.apache.org" >> >>Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 10:44 AM >>Subject: Re: [VOTE] Graduate ACE from the Apache Incubator >> >> >>"Hard to build" isn't a

Re: Fw: [VOTE] Graduate ACE from the Apache Incubator

2011-11-21 Thread Alex Karasulu
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 5:48 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: > > > > > - Forwarded Message - > >From: Joe Schaefer > >To: Karl Pauls ; "general@incubator.apache.org" < > general@incubator.apache.org> > >Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 10:44 AM > >Subject: Re: [VOTE] Graduate ACE from the Apache I

Fw: [VOTE] Graduate ACE from the Apache Incubator

2011-11-21 Thread Joe Schaefer
- Forwarded Message - >From: Joe Schaefer >To: Karl Pauls ; "general@incubator.apache.org" > >Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 10:44 AM >Subject: Re: [VOTE] Graduate ACE from the Apache Incubator > > >"Hard to build" isn't a blocking criterion >for a release; so long as the artifacts