Re: [MENTORS] Mentor guidance document

2019-09-24 Thread Jim Jagielski
First of all, thx for putting this together and thx for starting up a discussion/effort in the Incubator about how to improve the Incubator instead of just deciding that it is broken and needs to be replaced and/or alternatives found (although both of those PoVs have merit). Let me spend some t

Re: [MENTORS] Mentor guidance document

2019-08-26 Thread Sid Anand
+1 I agree this is needed -- I'm a PMC member of the Airflow project that recently graduated. We had some great mentors and some who were too busy to help -- life happens, so I'm not complaining about the fact they were busy. But, it does point to the need to be able to ramp up new mentors and hav

Re: [MENTORS] Mentor guidance document

2019-08-23 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, I really don’t think there is a dialog happening here. I asked some questions and no-one answers. Other people seem to want to push some other tangental view and it’s not clear to me exactly what that is. Perhaps I’m not making myself clear? The whole idea is not for me to write this docum

Re: [MENTORS] Mentor guidance document

2019-08-23 Thread Jim Jagielski
know how > to apply the Apache Way to new communities so that they might flourish in > their own way. > > Ross > > > --- > > Sent from my phone, you know what that means - sorry > > > From: Justin Mclean > Sent: Sat

Re: [MENTORS] Mentor guidance document

2019-08-22 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, Just a note to say page has moved to: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/Mentor+FAQ Thanks, Justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: genera

Re: [MENTORS] Mentor guidance document

2019-08-21 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > Sorry for my top post, but I have some observations about your “guide”. > (1) It is more a mentoring FAQ than a guide. Yep agree, and happy to change the name. I was hoping in time it could be fleshed out with more general guidance, but that’s probably a long way off. > (2) You are listin

Re: [MENTORS] Mentor guidance document

2019-08-21 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > Specific feedback: I don't think the "Values" lists are needed. I would > prefer these incorporated into the prose in the "Reasoning" section. The reason it’s there is to map to the values. I think you don’t see the need for it because you have a good understanding of those, but I’m not su

Re: [MENTORS] Mentor guidance document

2019-08-21 Thread Dave Fisher
Hi - Sorry for my top post, but I have some observations about your “guide”. (1) It is more a mentoring FAQ than a guide. (2) You are listing symptoms / policy violations. (3) It would be better to discuss what community problem is causing the particular issue instead of putting the blame on poo

Re: [MENTORS] Mentor guidance document

2019-08-21 Thread Kenneth Knowles
+1 I like this document. I expect the way one reaches a point where they don't need the proposed document is by doing a lot of mentoring. So you can't wait until they've already done a lot of mentoring before you start them mentoring :-). It is true that the starter examples are the ones that many

Re: [MENTORS] Mentor guidance document

2019-08-21 Thread Julian Hyde
+1 This guidance document is worth pursuing. There is plenty of criticism of mentors on this list, it helps to have some guidelines. Thanks Justin. > On Aug 20, 2019, at 9:41 PM, Justin Mclean wrote: > > Hi, > > Sone thoughts inline. > >> Documentation does not solve the problem. > > I agree

Re: [MENTORS] Mentor guidance document

2019-08-20 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, Sone thoughts inline. > Documentation does not solve the problem. I agree it doesn’t solve the whole problem. But it may give time poor mentors more time to do other things if they can easily reference collective knowledge on these issues. > If someone doesn't already "get" this stuff the

Re: [MENTORS] Mentor guidance document

2019-08-19 Thread Jim Jagielski
I'll reply/respond asap. > On Aug 17, 2019, at 9:26 PM, Justin Mclean wrote: > > Hi, > > I've had hoped I'd get more of a response to the mentor guidance > documentation I suggested. Perhaps it got lost in the other noise? > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/Mentor+Guida

Re: [MENTORS] Mentor guidance document

2019-08-18 Thread Ross Gardler
d interest in the success of the project and already know how to apply the Apache Way to new communities so that they might flourish in their own way. Ross --- Sent from my phone, you know what that means - sorry From: Justin Mclean Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2019

Re: [MENTORS] Mentor guidance document

2019-08-17 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, I've had hoped I'd get more of a response to the mentor guidance documentation I suggested. Perhaps it got lost in the other noise? https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/Mentor+Guidance Jim and Ross, you have recently stated that you are concerned about the erosion of our v

[MENTORS] Mentor guidance document

2019-08-08 Thread Justin Mclean
HI, We don’t have a lot of guidance for mentors on how to actually guide podlings, but with more than 200 projects having going through the incubator guided by 100+ mentors there should be a huge amount of collective knowledge. It might be a good idea to put this down somewhere and refine it.