Hi All,
I am a netbeans user that has been following this thread since the
proposal was announced and I am a little fascinated with this whole
process, it seems rather interesting...
Although this initial committer list seems to be a sticking point, but
from reading this page:
https://www.apache
On 24.09.2016 15:10, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 2:59 PM, Jochen Theodorou
For me the problem is that without plugins you have only the bare plattform
and no IDE.
No, that's not true at all. The NetBeans plugins are of various kinds.
There are plugins that are listed in
Hi,
> E.g., no forums in Apache, for example.
A mailing list can be mirrored to a nibble forum if it helps [1] I know of
several projects who do that.
Thanks,
Justin
1. http://n4.nabble.com/archive-your-mailing-list.html
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To
It really is impossible for us to follow all the (in many cases
contradictory) advice we have been given re the initial contributors list.
Here's what I propose:
1. We make the initial contributors list as detailed as we can, i.e., I
have already started doing this, grouping individual contributo
Yes, excellent work and many thanks for the time taken on this, Daniel. For
anyone reading this -- do note that these are preliminary findings based on
the current infrastructure of NetBeans, which is going to be very different
under Apache, e.g., plugins.netbeans.org looks like it will be hosted
s
toki wrote on 9/24/16 8:04 PM:
> On 22/09/2016 05:18, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
>> had a non-trivial amount of commits to then Sun NetBeans between 2002-2008.
>> He then drifted away from the
>> project but would be interested, potentially, re-engaging.
>
> Is it possible to create a "master list'
On 22/09/2016 05:18, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> had a non-trivial amount of commits to then Sun NetBeans between 2002-2008.
> He then drifted away from the
> project but would be interested, potentially, re-engaging.
Is it possible to create a "master list' of everybody who has
contributed, when t
On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 3:07 AM, Emmanuel Lécharny
wrote:
> Le 24/09/16 à 01:25, Roman Shaposhnik a écrit :
> > On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 1:48 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
> > wrote:
> >> Hi Wade,
> >>
> >> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 11:38 PM, Wade Chandler
> >> Also, as mentor I will recommend reviewing
The ASF need to justify spending an extra $10k per year in this one project at
the expense of that $10k going to other projects.
Don't make the request until the IPMC can present an argument that a move of
NetBeans to the ASF will reverse the decline in interest that NetBeans is
seeing.
It may
Should this request come from IPMC? Seems like it should be at least a coop
request between infra (who get the budget and the operational onus) and
incubator (who cause the problem).
Certainly the budget shouldn't come to the IPMC if approved.
I will work with the board to determine the best form
Le 24/09/16 à 01:25, Roman Shaposhnik a écrit :
> On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 1:48 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
> wrote:
>> Hi Wade,
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 11:38 PM, Wade Chandler
>> wrote:
>>> ..I can say as a long time contributor who is not on the initial list, I
>>> understand, think it is fine
Le 24/09/16 à 15:18, Geertjan Wielenga a écrit :
> On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Shane Curcuru wrote:
>
>
>> Correct. The whole point of Incubation at Apache is to show that the
>> community can learn to self-govern by following Apache processes - and a
>> key point of self-governance is respon
Daniel this is great work. Thank you for outlining this. Wow!
Chris
On 9/24/16, 3:17 AM, "Daniel Gruno" wrote:
Hi folks,
I've been going over the requirements for NetBeans infrastructure, it's
ballpark costs, bandwidth, machines needed and so forth, and the cliff
notes are
On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 12:03 AM, Gangumalla, Uma
wrote:
> BTW, there were 5 binding votes.
Oops. Sorry for the miscount! I mistakenly searched for "Gangumalla"
rather than "umamahesh" in
http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#incubator-pmc, but
I should have known better regardles
Daniel, this is excellent. Thank you. When we brought AOO in we offset some
costs, such as bandwidth, through our arrangement with SourceForge. Can we do
the same here? (I imagine this has already been discussed, I'm behind of those
threads, I'm just looking for a short summary).
Shane, if the
A NetBeans release is produced from the NetBeans Mercurial repository. All
the language modules: Java, Javascript, C/C++, etc. you see there after
install are Oracle / NetBeans code.
The Plugins Portal has some other, 3rd party modules which don't come
bundled with the official builds but users ar
On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 9:24 AM, Michael Müller wrote:
> regarding this, I request you ta add me to the initial committers.
Done!
Added you in the Miscellaneous section in the proposal. What specifically
are you planning to contribute?
Thanks,
Gj
On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 9:24 AM, Michael Mül
> hg doesn't have the committer/author separation like GIT has, right? :(
>
I don't believe it does, yet.
> In the ASF it's good practice to give credits to the patch contributor in
> the commit, e.g.
>
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/5bafa2ba5977ab88c8dfe376c97568
> 25d948bce9afd3b69aa69
On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Shane Curcuru wrote:
> Correct. The whole point of Incubation at Apache is to show that the
> community can learn to self-govern by following Apache processes - and a
> key point of self-governance is responsibly adding new committers.
>
> In my experience, it's
On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 2:59 PM, Jochen Theodorou
For me the problem is that without plugins you have only the bare plattform
> and no IDE.
No, that's not true at all. The NetBeans plugins are of various kinds.
There are plugins that are listed in the Plugin Manager by default, these
are the sta
On 24.09.2016 05:34, Wade Chandler wrote:
[...]
I ask these obvious rhetorical questions to get to this point: Would it be
feasible for NetBeans to succeed among competing projects with such a
stipulation that all hosted or distributed plugins be contributed to Apache
or licensed the same? Withou
Excellent cliff notes, and I'm really glad to see us surfacing the
issues - and costs - of incubating such a large podling.
Question: do you have a rough forecast of how long this expense/extra
infra burden will last? I.e. is this likely something we'll bear for
3-4 years and then we'll have migr
Good questions all.
Emilian Bold wrote on 9/24/16 5:18 AM:
> I assume there is a reason the list is called initial. It doesn't have to
> be perfect.
Correct. The whole point of Incubation at Apache is to show that the
community can learn to self-govern by following Apache processes - and a
key p
> Does Maven only host Apache owned plugins?
Nope, don't mix up Apache Maven core with the 'Maven central' which is operated
by Sonatype in conjunction with the Apache Maven PMC. It is more clear though
with JFrog BinTray which is clearly owned by a company.
Maven.central and Bintray both hos
hg doesn't have the committer/author separation like GIT has, right? :(
In the ASF it's good practice to give credits to the patch contributor in the
commit, e.g.
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/5bafa2ba5977ab88c8dfe376c9756825d948bce9afd3b69aa693ab96@%3Ccommits.openwebbeans.apache.org%3E
Phone top posting:
I agree plugins are a huge part of NetBeans success; you need them for
Gradle support as an example. Sure, you can install them outside the
portal, but it is a pain for most. What ever you all are able to do is
greatly appreciated; whether now or soon, and whether that is an inc
Hi folks,
I've been going over the requirements for NetBeans infrastructure, it's
ballpark costs, bandwidth, machines needed and so forth, and the cliff
notes are as follows:
- 40-50TB/month in traffic required (mostly downloads+plugins)
- 8-13 machines/VMS are required
- Ballpark hardware costs
I assume there is a reason the list is called initial. It doesn't have to
be perfect.
We should differentiate between a contributor and a committer.
A lot more people contributed patches via bugzilla than actually committed
them in the Mercurial repository themselves.
The reason being it was not
Consider you did contribute 300 important patches to NetBeans over the years.
Wouldn't it hurt your feelings that you are not enlisted on the initial
committers list?
But otoh the initial list of committers is not important for the ASF _if_ the
PPMC makes a good job.
Because if such a person
On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 10:27 PM, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> Greg,
> many people on this list are probably unaware that your role changed a
> couple of days ago...
>
Oh. Heh. Fair point!
Niclas is referring to this:
> On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
>
>...
> > how the commu
Congrats Spot team.
BTW, there were 5 binding votes.
Regards,
Uma
On 9/23/16, 3:33 PM, "Doug Cutting" wrote:
>The vote passes, with 7 +1 votes (4 binding) and no -1 votes.
>
>+1 Jarek Jarcec Cecho (binding)
>+1 Gangumalla, Uma
>+1 Todd Lipcon (binding)
>+1 Tom White (binding)
>+1 Zheng, Kai
>+
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