Re: [VOTE] Incubate new podling, "River" (nee Braintree, nee..., nee Jini)

2006-12-23 Thread Jim Jagielski
Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > Jim, > > Keep in mind that JINI significantly predates all of the current Web > Services efforts, not just here but anywhere. Technically, SOAP at > Microsoft *might* predate JINI, but JINI was out and about (in so far as it > has ever gained much marketshare) before W

Re: Competing projects was Re: [VOTE] Incubate new podling, "River" (nee Braintree, nee..., nee Jini)

2006-12-23 Thread Jim Jagielski
Justin Erenkrantz wrote: > > On 12/23/06, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > While they are within the Incubator, I'd prefer to see the "extremely petty" > > reasons reduced. > > And, I'd like a pony, too. =P -- justin > Did you ask Santa? :) -- =

Re: Competing projects was Re: [VOTE] Incubate new podling, "River" (nee Braintree, nee..., nee Jini)

2006-12-23 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On 12/23/06, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: While they are within the Incubator, I'd prefer to see the "extremely petty" reasons reduced. And, I'd like a pony, too. =P -- justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL P

RE: Competing projects was Re: [VOTE] Incubate new podling, "River" (nee Braintree, nee..., nee Jini)

2006-12-23 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Justin Erenkrantz wrote: > We have lots of competing proposals and projects all across the ASF. > And, many of them don't communicate for extremely petty and personal > reasons; some don't communicate because they disagree on the technical > direction. While they are within the Incubator, I'd pre

RE: [VOTE] Incubate new podling, "River" (nee Braintree, nee..., nee Jini)

2006-12-23 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Jim, Keep in mind that JINI significantly predates all of the current Web Services efforts, not just here but anywhere. Technically, SOAP at Microsoft *might* predate JINI, but JINI was out and about (in so far as it has ever gained much marketshare) before Web Services as we know them. In any e

[announce] Apache Incubator CXF 2.0-M1 Release

2006-12-23 Thread Dan Diephouse
The Apache Incubator CXF team is proud to announce the availability of the 2.0-M1 release! Release notes and download information can be found here: http://cwiki.apache.org/CXF/apache-cxf-20-m1-incubating-release-notes.html Apache Incubator CXF is an open source service development framework. Th

Re: Competing projects was Re: [VOTE] Incubate new podling, "River" (nee Braintree, nee..., nee Jini)

2006-12-23 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Dec 23, 2006, at 11:16 AM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: On 12/23/06, Jim Jagielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I really fail to see how all that is such a big deal. We're talking an additional 2 sentences I think it's a concern because the precedent puts the podling on the defensive and in

Re: Competing projects was Re: [VOTE] Incubate new podling, "River" (nee Braintree, nee..., nee Jini)

2006-12-23 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On 12/23/06, Jim Jagielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I really fail to see how all that is such a big deal. We're talking an additional 2 sentences I think it's a concern because the precedent puts the podling on the defensive and in the mind set of "oh, if there's a competing project, we w

Re: Competing projects was Re: [VOTE] Incubate new podling, "River" (nee Braintree, nee..., nee Jini)

2006-12-23 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Dec 23, 2006, at 10:41 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: On Dec 22, 2006, at 11:18 AM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: On 12/22/06, Jim Jagielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: A simple one-liner similar to Geir's "No other ASF project or podling in the architecture space is based on Jini" is enough I think

Re: Competing projects was Re: [VOTE] Incubate new podling, "River" (nee Braintree, nee..., nee Jini)

2006-12-23 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Dec 22, 2006, at 11:18 AM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: We have lots of competing proposals and projects all across the ASF. And, many of them don't communicate for extremely petty and personal reasons; IMO, that is a shame... competition is good. Territorialism (if that's even a word :) ) is

Re: Competing projects was Re: [VOTE] Incubate new podling, "River" (nee Braintree, nee..., nee Jini)

2006-12-23 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Dec 22, 2006, at 11:18 AM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: On 12/22/06, Jim Jagielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: A simple one-liner similar to Geir's "No other ASF project or podling in the architecture space is based on Jini" is enough I think... This is getting off-topic, but really why do we