RE: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

2003-12-18 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Roy T. Fielding wrote: > Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > We need to finish voting here, but in the meantime go ahead and fill > > out a new copy as axion.cwiki. When the vote passes, we will make > > sure that you and/or the DB PMC Chair has karma for the CVS module > > to check it in. Then the PPMC c

Re: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

2003-12-18 Thread Roy T. Fielding
We need to finish voting here, but in the meantime go ahead and fill out a new copy as axion.cwiki. When the vote passes, we will make sure that you and/or the DB PMC Chair has karma for the CVS module to check it in. Then the PPMC can review it, and if there are no issues, we can probably ho

RE: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

2003-12-18 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Rodney, The website needs to be updated, but here are the basics, as I understand them: - A PPMC is a working group consisting of the Incubator PMC, project committers, and destination PMC if any. The idea of a shephard or mentor is subsumed within the PPMC by the PMC members who take

RE: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

2003-12-18 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: > Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > my idea is that we would use [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > (with or without projects-ppmc@) for most projects like > > Axion that have a well-defined destination, a community, > > and are expected to sail through. We need to complete a > > STATUS page,

Re: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

2003-12-18 Thread Jason van Zyl
On Thu, 2003-12-18 at 14:27, Greg Stein wrote: > On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 01:22:04PM -0500, Jason van Zyl wrote: > >... > > I don't want people nobody knows to walk in and become an officer of the > > board but someone has to know these people coming in. Ultimately we are > > Have a little more fai

RE: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

2003-12-18 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Jason van Zyl wrote: > Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > Jason van Zyl wrote: > > > Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > > > > The Incubator is a morass and big hinderance to getting anything done. > > > > Is there a fee for this troll? > > > See it as you like, the Incubator doesn't work, plain and simple. > > By

Re: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

2003-12-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
On Dec 18, 2003, at 2:02 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Now ... if you want to stop hand waving, and get down to brass tacks, my idea is that we would use [EMAIL PROTECTED] (with or without projects-ppmc@) for most projects like Axion that have a well-defined destination, a community, and are expecte

Re: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

2003-12-18 Thread Greg Stein
On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 01:22:04PM -0500, Jason van Zyl wrote: >... > I don't want people nobody knows to walk in and become an officer of the > board but someone has to know these people coming in. Ultimately we are Have a little more faith in the Board than that, please. We're just as concerned

RE: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

2003-12-18 Thread Jason van Zyl
On Thu, 2003-12-18 at 14:02, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > Jason van Zyl wrote: > > Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > > > The Incubator is a morass and big hinderance to getting anything done. > > > Is there a fee for this troll? > > See it as you like, the Incubator doesn't work, plain and simple. > > By the

Re: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

2003-12-18 Thread Rodney Waldhoff
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Greg Stein wrote: > The Board spoke about this topic for nearly 45 minutes yesterday at our > Board meeting. We started to come up with some guidelines for when a > project needs incubation, or when a PMC can directly handle it itself. We > need to work through that on the Boa

RE: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

2003-12-18 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Jason van Zyl wrote: > Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > > The Incubator is a morass and big hinderance to getting anything done. > > Is there a fee for this troll? > See it as you like, the Incubator doesn't work, plain and simple. By the same logic, neither does anything that wasn't born fully function

Re: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

2003-12-18 Thread Greg Stein
On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 12:47:05PM -0500, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > Ballot 1: > > The Axion Database project has voted to become a part of the Apache DB > project, and the DB PMC has accepted that proposal. (See belo

RE: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

2003-12-18 Thread Jason van Zyl
On Thu, 2003-12-18 at 13:26, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > The Incubator is a morass and big hinderance to getting anything done. > > Is there a fee for this troll? See it as you like, the Incubator doesn't work, plain and simple. > The Incubator re-organization around the PPMC concept provides di

Re: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

2003-12-18 Thread Greg Stein
On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 12:57:51PM -0500, Jason van Zyl wrote: > On Thu, 2003-12-18 at 11:28, Rodney Waldhoff wrote: > > > > Ballot 2: > > > > Since Axion is to be a sub-project of the Apache DB project and is > > cur

RE: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

2003-12-18 Thread Noel J. Bergman
> The Incubator is a morass and big hinderance to getting anything done. Is there a fee for this troll? The Incubator re-organization around the PPMC concept provides direct oversight between the Incubator PMC, the project's developers, and (in this case), the DB PMC. There is no reason for any

Re: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

2003-12-18 Thread Jason van Zyl
On Thu, 2003-12-18 at 13:14, Sander Striker wrote: > On Thu, 2003-12-18 at 18:57, Jason van Zyl wrote: > > On Thu, 2003-12-18 at 11:28, Rodney Waldhoff wrote: > > > > > > > > Ballot 2: > > > > > > Since Axion is to b

Re: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

2003-12-18 Thread Sander Striker
On Thu, 2003-12-18 at 18:57, Jason van Zyl wrote: > On Thu, 2003-12-18 at 11:28, Rodney Waldhoff wrote: > > > > > Ballot 2: > > > > Since Axion is to be a sub-project of the Apache DB project and is > > currently com

Re: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

2003-12-18 Thread Jason van Zyl
On Thu, 2003-12-18 at 11:28, Rodney Waldhoff wrote: > > Ballot 2: > > Since Axion is to be a sub-project of the Apache DB project and is > currently comprised of long standing ASF members and committers, and since >

RE: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

2003-12-18 Thread Davanum Srinivas
Ballot 1: [X] +1 Accept the Axion for incubation. [ ] 0 Abstain [ ] -1 Reject Axion for incubation Thanks, dims --- "Noel J. Bergman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ballot 1: > > The Axion Database project has vote

RE: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

2003-12-18 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Ballot 1: The Axion Database project has voted to become a part of the Apache DB project, and the DB PMC has accepted that proposal. (See below for the proposal and additional information.) [X] +1 Accept the Axion f

[VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

2003-12-18 Thread Rodney Waldhoff
Since that first post hasn't drawn any response in over a week, let me try this again, this time under a VOTE thread, and with an alternative in light of the recent discussion: Ballot 1: The Axion Database project ha

Re: WS-FX Sandesha

2003-12-18 Thread Davanum Srinivas
forgot to attach the proposal - http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?ReliableMessagingProposal -- dims --- Davanum Srinivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sanjiva, > We need to go through the incubator for the Sandesha code. Can you please arrange to > send a fax > with a software grant fr

WS-FX Sandesha

2003-12-18 Thread Davanum Srinivas
Sanjiva, We need to go through the incubator for the Sandesha code. Can you please arrange to send a fax with a software grant from you guys? you can find the forms at http://www.apache.org/licenses/ Dear Incubator folks, Since the ws-pmc has already accepted sandesha. i'll start the process ins

Re: [VOTE] PPMCs for Incubating Projects

2003-12-18 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Aaron Bannert wrote: ... Also, it seems to me that any Incubator PMC member who has joined a PPMC list is already acting in the role of "Mentor"? Now that we have PPMCs, we don't need to have an explicit role of "Mentor" anymore. Can we get rid of these complicated rules and roles and terms now tha