Re: gEDA-user: Commercial CAD, land pattern generators report

John Griessen wrote: > On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Peter Clifton wrote: > > On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 09:17 -0500, John Griessen wrote: > > > OpenNurbs.org has the code, public domain. He's considering forking > > > and licensing it GPL. > > IMO, that sounds like quite an aggressive thing to do

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On Aug 14, 2010, at 1:33 PM, Armin Faltl wrote: > John Doty wrote: >> GPL does not restrict your use of my code, but if you wish to distribute my >> GPL code under the GPL terms, you must abide by those terms. >> > If I'm using your library licensed with GPL in a proprietary application of >

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al davis wrote: On Saturday 14 August 2010, Armin Faltl wrote: I think I have the following options then: a) fix the bug myself and reinvent your convenience function which is questionable b) re-release my library under LGPL and ask you to resubmit the patch with same license c) open sou

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On Saturday 14 August 2010, Armin Faltl wrote: > I think I have the following options then: > > a) fix the bug myself and reinvent your convenience function > which is questionable > b) re-release my library under LGPL and ask you to resubmit > the patch with same license > c) open source or shr

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John Doty wrote: GPL does not restrict your use of my code, but if you wish to distribute my GPL code under the GPL terms, you must abide by those terms. If I'm using your library licensed with GPL in a proprietary application of mine, this is forbidden, right? But the GPL does not restrict

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On Aug 14, 2010, at 4:05 AM, Armin Faltl wrote: > Maybe as long as I don't sell my non-free > code but just use it in house to compute results GPL doesn't bite, > but I don't want to be restricted in that way either. GPL does not restrict your use of my code, but if you wish to distribute my GPL

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I don't need your sympathy while I definitely would welcome it and see your point. I didn't sleep the (whole) last 20 years and wrote some code that I shared - not much since I didn't have that much time. Some code I wrote comprises a competitive advantage as I see it and it's partly based other c

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On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 00:23:10 +0200, Armin Faltl wrote: > I want to contribute or give away what I want to and keep > my own what I want to keep and if this is not possible with a > GPL-license on my own library liked to my own app, I just won't use GPL!" If you want to distribute non-Free softwar

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al davis wrote: I don't know who "RFS" is but any license you grant for your own code applies only to those to whom you grant the license. If you write some code, and it's yours, you can license it any way you want. If you make it available for download under GPL, this does not prevent you

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On Friday 13 August 2010, Armin Faltl wrote: > I can't give an example on the intricacies of GPL v3 of the > top of my head, but wanted to write the following to RFS > regarding putting libraries under GPL instead of LGPL: > "I want to contribute or give away what I want to and keep > my own what

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Thanks - think I tried to find it on gnu.org - and got probably distracted kai-martin knaak wrote: Armin Faltl wrote: I tried some hours to find an e-mail address of RFS - there must be a reason it's not public... google "Richard Stallman" "email" First hit http://stallman.org/

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Armin Faltl wrote: > I tried some hours to find an e-mail address of RFS - there must > be a reason it's not public... google "Richard Stallman" "email" First hit http://stallman.org/ says email rms at gnu period org" ---<)kaimartin(>--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak Öffentliche

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Armin Faltl wrote: IGES is an old US military standard. It means 'Initial Graphics Exchange Specification' and the specification for it is freely available, since it's a work from a US government agency (I got it ;-). As the name says, it was meant as preliminary work, but served it's purpos

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I can't give an example on the intricacies of GPL v3 of the top of my head, but wanted to write the following to RFS regarding putting libraries under GPL instead of LGPL: "I want to contribute or give away what I want to and keep my own what I want to keep and if this is not possible with a GPL-l

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On Friday 13 August 2010, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: > can you give an example, please? Under GPL-3 you can't make a contribution that applies one of your own patents, then sue the users of the package for patent infringement. ___ geda-user mailing lis

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Dave N6NZ wrote: I don't know much about 3D file formats. I know stl is basically a bag of triangles, and I think stl is also. So while you can communicate a hull, you can't do much more. No parametric information, no material information, no joint information, etc. Not sure about iges, I

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On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Peter Clifton wrote: On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 09:17 -0500, John Griessen wrote: OpenNurbs.org has the code, public domain. He's considering forking and licensing it GPL. IMO, that sounds like quite an aggressive thing to do to a code base.. particularly forkin

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Hi all, > -Original Message- > From: geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org > [mailto:geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org] On Behalf Of > kai-martin knaak > Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 11:43 PM > To: geda-u...@seul.org > Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Commercial CAD, land patt

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On Aug 13, 2010, at 12:51 PM, Felipe De la Puente Christen wrote: > On Fri, 2010-08-13 at 11:21 -0700, Dave N6NZ wrote: > >> >> I've been watching FOSS 3D CAD for a while, and until FreeCAD came along the >> outlook was pretty depressing. The FreeCAD guys, however, are making >> progress a b

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Felipe De la Puente Christen wrote: > Why not using IDES/STEP file format. Because STEP is a hell of a standard and non-free, too. It encompasses much more than 3D mechanical data and aims to cover every aspect of every product. The standard itself is closed source. You have to pay real money

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On Fri, 2010-08-13 at 11:21 -0700, Dave N6NZ wrote: > > I've been watching FOSS 3D CAD for a while, and until FreeCAD came along the > outlook was pretty depressing. The FreeCAD guys, however, are making > progress a bullet-train speed. My first instinct would be to find a way to > help them

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Dave N6NZ wrote: > I've been watching FOSS 3D CAD for a while, and until FreeCAD came along > the outlook was pretty depressing. The FreeCAD guys, however, are making > progress a bullet-train speed. My first instinct would be to find a way > to help them. If freecad keeps growing at the curre

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On Aug 12, 2010, at 7:17 AM, John Griessen wrote: > > certain 3D entities are *not* documented, >> they are binary blobs and you can only get the spec by paying for a license >> from Autocad and signing an NDA. So no open source >> dxf library will ever be able to handle all of dxf. My immedi

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Steven Michalske wrote: > but version 3 has clauses that are very restrictive to others > that want to contirbute, -v can you give an example, please? --<)kaimartin(>--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak tel: +49-511-762-2895 Universität Hannover, Inst. für Quantenoptik

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> -Original Message- > From: geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org > [mailto:geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org] On Behalf Of Steven > Michalske > Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 8:19 AM > To: gEDA user mailing list > Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Commercial CAD, land patt

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Its public domain, thats very free, GPL has had is day as a free license, but version 3 has clauses that are very restrictive to others that want to contirbute, i no longer will even consider working on GPL v3 code. On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Peter Clifton wrote: > On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 0

Re: gEDA-user: Commercial CAD, land pattern generators report

On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 09:17 -0500, John Griessen wrote: > OpenNurbs.org has the code, public domain. He's considering forking > and licensing it GPL. IMO, that sounds like quite an aggressive thing to do to a code base.. particularly forking, then choosing a less permissive license to release un

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Bob Paddock wrote: > a 1 part library operating a layout service bureau Take a look at <[1]http://wikicomponents.com> "The worlds first and only truly open source for 2D and 3D PCB component package, part and electrical device data". I corresponded with Dino Ditta, the pers

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Dave N6NZ wrote: On Aug 11, 2010, at 12:28 PM, John Griessen wrote; What's a good reference about DXF? Arghhh... . . .. the structure of dxf... Imagine a design committee consisting entirely of passive-aggressive, 'B' ark chimpanzees that were only convinced to join the project for the mee

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Hi all, > -Original Message- > From: geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org > [mailto:geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org] On Behalf Of Bob Paddock > Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 1:07 AM > To: gEDA user mailing list > Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Commercial CAD, land pattern

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On Aug 11, 2010, at 12:28 PM, John Griessen wrote; > > What's a good reference about DXF? Arghhh... I've spent a bit of time trying to read .dxf correctly. My first shot was for reading .dxf to drive a simple laser cutter that used bastardized HP/GL. I did an ad hoc parser in C after reading

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IPC land pattern wizard in protel/altium is very nice as well. So nice infact I've been using it for BGA and many-pin count packages and then exporting to ascii format which my current EDA package can import. On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 9:43 AM, Bob Paddock wrote: >   On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 7:25 PM

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On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 7:25 PM, kai-martin knaak <[1]...@familieknaak.de> wrote: Bob Paddock wrote: >> a 1 part library operating a layout service bureau > > Take a look at <[2]http://wikicomponents.com> The site requires registration even for simple reading. :-| Y

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Bob Paddock wrote: >> a 1 part library operating a layout service bureau > > Take a look at The site requires registration even for simple reading. :-| ---<)kaimartin(>--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak Öffentlicher PGP-Schlüssel: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get

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> a 1 part library operating a layout service bureau Take a look at <[1]http://wikicomponents.com> "The worlds first and only truly open source for 2D and 3D PCB component package, part and electrical device data". I did point out to them that <[2]http://gedasymbols.org> , was a

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Bert Timmerman wrote: Hi John, I was working on a dxf exporter for pcb. Recently did a couple of steps converting this into a pcb plugin for exporting dxf stuff, and maybe importing a pcb outline from mechanical CAD. Problem with dxf is that it doesn't support 3D shapes in a usable way, this r

Re: gEDA-user: Commercial CAD, land pattern generators report

Hi John, I was working on a dxf exporter for pcb. Recently did a couple of steps converting this into a pcb plugin for exporting dxf stuff, and maybe importing a pcb outline from mechanical CAD. Problem with dxf is that it doesn't support 3D shapes in a usable way, this remains bound to AutoCAD