Re: gEDA-user: Broken TO92 footprint

2011-05-22 Thread Wojciech Kazubski
> > Yes, I think there is supposed to be a TO-92A, TO-92B, and TO-92C (the > different orders) but nobody paid enough attention, and I'm not sure if this > is standard, or merely convention. see attached gif that was stolen from > http://www.kss.sd23.bc.ca/chalmers/robotics10/Labs/ComparePNPNPN/h

Re: gEDA-user: Broken TO92 footprint

2011-05-21 Thread Vanessa Ezekowitz
On Sat, 21 May 2011 23:23:29 +0200 Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: > Vanessa Ezekowitz wrote: > > > You mean, like THIS? (see attachment) > > Ok, this is _all_ permutations of certain three letter combos. May be > a little bit over the top for general distribution. Many combinations > do not correspond

Re: gEDA-user: Broken TO92 footprint

2011-05-21 Thread DJ Delorie
> In the context of packages, the package might indicate, which slot > to use. As with all attributes, the user could override per > instance. I had a similar thought, but wanted to separate slotting from mapping. Choosing a specific transistor (Fairchild 2N3904 TO92, for example) triggered a map

Re: gEDA-user: Broken TO92 footprint

2011-05-21 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Vanessa Ezekowitz wrote: > You mean, like THIS? (see attachment) Ok, this is _all_ permutations of certain three letter combos. May be a little bit over the top for general distribution. Many combinations do not correspond to any component in the real world. Having them in the lib just invites e

Re: gEDA-user: Broken TO92 footprint

2011-05-21 Thread Vanessa Ezekowitz
On Sat, 21 May 2011 20:42:48 +0200 Wojciech Kazubski wrote: > > Vanessa Ezekowitz > > [... posted an equivalent replacement footprint ...] > > TO-92 transistors use at least four pinouts. The footprint name shall > indicate this if it has E, B, C instead of pin numbers. I think that plain > TO

Re: gEDA-user: Broken TO92 footprint

2011-05-21 Thread Wojciech Kazubski
> The discussion about "reinventing the wheel" reminded me: > > The TO92 footprint included with PCB does not work with the schematic > importer therein. Try to reference it and the importer complains about > missing pins, because it uses numbered pins instead of the B-C-E lettering > used in

Re: gEDA-user: Broken TO92 footprint

2011-05-21 Thread Stephen Trier
Cullen, I suspect the TO-92A/B/C notation comes from some layout package, and that is why other packages use other terminology. It is not in the original TO-92 spec, which is available free (registration required) from JEDEC at http://www.jedec.org/standards-documents/focus/register

Re: gEDA-user: Broken TO92 footprint

2011-05-20 Thread Cullen Newsom
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Colin D Bennett <[1]co...@gibibit.com> wrote: On Thu, 19 May 2011 14:02:58 -0400 Vanessa Ezekowitz <[2]vanessaezekow...@gmail.com> wrote: > The discussion about "reinventing the wheel" reminded me: > > The TO92 footprint included with PCB does

Re: gEDA-user: Broken TO92 footprint

2011-05-20 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
DJ Delorie wrote: > what we'd need is a range > of TO92 packages with all the permutations of EBC and SGD, like > TO92_EBC.fp, TO92_ECB.fp, TO92_SDG.fp, This is, what I ended up with, after I had my first TO92 transistor disaster. In my not so private library on gedasymbols.org there are both:

Re: gEDA-user: Broken TO92 footprint

2011-05-20 Thread DJ Delorie
> Perhaps, and as DJ says the actual mapping varies from one > transistor type to another. However, this particular footprint > simply doesn't work for any Gschem->PCB use case, hence my > replacement. I think, if we were to accept such a change, what we'd need is a range of TO92 packages with a

Re: gEDA-user: Broken TO92 footprint

2011-05-20 Thread Vanessa Ezekowitz
On Fri, 20 May 2011 08:31:46 +0200 Stephan Boettcher wrote: > > Vanessa Ezekowitz writes: > > > The TO92 footprint included with PCB does not work with the schematic > > importer therein. Try to reference it and the importer complains > > about missing pins, because it uses numbered pins inst

Re: gEDA-user: Broken TO92 footprint

2011-05-20 Thread Stephan Boettcher
DJ Delorie writes: >> The TO92 package has well define pin numbers. The mapping from >> transistor pins to footprint pins should happen in the schematic. > > Worse, the mapping from EBC to 123 is *different* for different > transistors using the TO-92 case. > > Compare 2N3904 - E-B-C >

Re: gEDA-user: Broken TO92 footprint

2011-05-19 Thread DJ Delorie
> The TO92 package has well define pin numbers. The mapping from > transistor pins to footprint pins should happen in the schematic. Worse, the mapping from EBC to 123 is *different* for different transistors using the TO-92 case. Compare 2N3904 - E-B-C 2SC2631 - E-C-B __

Re: gEDA-user: Broken TO92 footprint

2011-05-19 Thread Stephan Boettcher
Vanessa Ezekowitz writes: > The TO92 footprint included with PCB does not work with the schematic > importer therein. Try to reference it and the importer complains > about missing pins, because it uses numbered pins instead of the B-C-E > lettering used in gschem's transistor symbols. The T

Re: gEDA-user: Broken TO92 footprint

2011-05-19 Thread Vanessa Ezekowitz
On Thu, 19 May 2011 14:25:50 -0700 Colin D Bennett wrote: > On Thu, 19 May 2011 14:02:58 -0400 > Vanessa Ezekowitz wrote: > > > The discussion about "reinventing the wheel" reminded me: > > > > The TO92 footprint included with PCB does not work with the schematic > > importer therein. Try to

Re: gEDA-user: Broken TO92 footprint

2011-05-19 Thread Colin D Bennett
On Thu, 19 May 2011 14:02:58 -0400 Vanessa Ezekowitz wrote: > The discussion about "reinventing the wheel" reminded me: > > The TO92 footprint included with PCB does not work with the schematic > importer therein. Try to reference it and the importer complains > about missing pins, because it u