Re: gEDA-user: gEDA Wikibook ?

2010-12-24 Thread timecop
I think you guys are all missing the point. The problem isn't 74239847 tools to write the docs in. The problem is nobody wants to write them even if you have the best tools. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-b

Re: gEDA-user: Resistor values…

2010-12-24 Thread timecop
footprint = what the pads/holes/silk/wahtever on pcb for this component look like. On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 8:28 PM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: > Den 2010-12-24 02:27:33 skrev kai-martin knaak : > >> You may take a look at the symbols in http://gedasymbols.org >> Many of them are "heavy", meaning, th

Re: gEDA-user: gEDA Wikibook ?

2010-12-24 Thread timecop
> But why not a real book, that is written in LaTeX? Because you just ruled out the remaining 1% of people who even wanted to help with writing any kinda documentation. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mail

Re: gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB

2010-12-18 Thread timecop
Why dont you take headpics of DJDelorie and make a banner, "Please read: An urgent appeal from PCB maintainer DJ Delorie"... :D On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 10:40 PM, Levente Kovacs wrote: > On Thu, 9 Dec 2010 14:45:47 +1100 > Stephen Ecob wrote: > >> Boiling it down greatly, Clif and Kaimartin are

Re: gEDA-user: FUNDING

2010-12-15 Thread timecop
> Thanks for the reply.  It is a bit hard to read here because all the lines > are run together.  Kaimartin has indicated this is because of using transfer > encoding "base64".  Any chance you can resend this in a different format? Funny you mention that, this email reads perfectly fine in my clos

Re: gEDA-user: WINDOWS BUILD WARNING (WAS: Re: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB)

2010-12-14 Thread timecop
>> > Warning this code will replace paths rather than append if the existing >> > path exceeds the >> > maximum string length in the NSIS build you are using. >> >> Maybe he tried installing it into some huge path and ended up trimming >> the entire var set or something... I think what could happ

Re: gEDA-user: WINDOWS BUILD WARNING (WAS: Re: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB)

2010-12-14 Thread timecop
> ${EnvVarUpdate} $0 "PATH" "A" "HKLM" "$INSTDIR\bin" It looks OK from a quick glance, but it depends what build settings were used for the NSIS... > Warning this code will replace paths rather than append if the existing path > exceeds the > maximum string length in the NSIS build you are using

Re: gEDA-user: FUNDING

2010-12-13 Thread timecop
> Why do you bother to subscribe to this list? Its obvious that $0.02 is > worth more than your opinions. Why do you bother replying? Is it to show you agree or disagree? ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/m

Re: gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB

2010-12-13 Thread timecop
> I've been poking at 'the perfect windows version' for some time, will > give up on that for now. It won't be perfect until its compilable by VStudio IDE and debuggable inside it as such. As long as GCC is involved in any equation of building software for Windows, no developer (who is actually pa

Re: gEDA-user: FUNDING

2010-12-13 Thread timecop
>  Another option, that may not be acceptable to all, is that in the UK > RS & Farnell both recently acquired small PCB development > companies(DesignSpark & eagle respectively).  The intention being the > companies adopt the free tool which integrates easily with their > catalogue and then buy mor

Re: gEDA-user: Small patch to aid use of lib dmalloc

2010-12-06 Thread timecop
> 5. retain the MYFREE() macro as its pointer clearing side effect is required > 8. Instead of simply retaining MYFREE(p) (point 5), we could replace > each use of it with an explicit: > free(p); > p = NULL; Is this "MY" prefix actually in the code? Most sane places call the kind of free your'e

Re: gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB

2010-12-05 Thread timecop
> Yes, if you were having difficulty with the END_LOOP macro, I can > understand why you didn't venture any deeper into the code. I just saw the rest of the crap in the header file containing "#define END_LOOP }}" and I'm with Armin on that one, this is pretty ridiculous. > Fixing problems is not

Re: gEDA-user: PCB+GL resistor p0rn

2010-11-19 Thread timecop
3D renderings of through-hole components is great and all, but this IS 2010, anyone still using through-hole stuff can just use Fritzing or something. How about adding relevant features to PCB, like boolean operations on copper pours that aren't a hack or ... hey, who am I kidding. -tc On Sat, No

Re: gEDA-user: exporting single pcb layers

2010-11-19 Thread timecop
>        sed -e 's/^\tPin/# &/' -e 's/^\t\(SymbolLine\|Line\)/# &/' -e > 's/^Via/# &/' In my windows PCB CAD, I click 'Export Gerber' and click a layer. If I don't want vias or pins there, I uh,, click a checkbox. GUIs exist for a reason. This is one of those good reasons. -- 1966 called, wants i

Re: gEDA-user: New branch of PCB

2010-11-16 Thread timecop
With TopoR having a freeware version for 2 layers and up to 256 nets (or some other fairly high for 'hobby' use limitation), there's not really any point on bothering improving built in autorouter... Does PCB have Specctra DSN/SES export/import? Just use that (or implement if it doesn't) and then u

Re: gEDA-user: GNUduino - Arduino made with gEDA

2010-10-09 Thread timecop
Probably KiCad. On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 7:48 AM, Rick Collins wrote: > I assume one is gEDA... what is the other? > > Rick > > > At 01:56 AM 10/9/2010, you wrote: >> >> Good on you.  It really gripes me when open hardware projects use >> something like Eagle for the schematic/pcb flow.  The curr

Re: gEDA-user: pcb crooked traces

2010-10-09 Thread timecop
Does anyone on this list honestly believe that in 2010 a difference between "slow emulated 64bit" and "native 64bit" integer on any hardware made in the last decade is going to be even noticeable. Just make it 64bit and be done with it. Those who still use PCB on 386 can use the old version. It se

Re: gEDA-user: pcb crooked traces

2010-10-09 Thread timecop
? On 9 Oct 2010 18:37, "Armin Faltl" <[1]armin.fa...@aon.at> wrote: > Hi timecop, > > your first message I just deleted which is a rare exception on this > list. Since DJ did, I'll waste some seconds and joules on you: > > a) 2010 - 16 =

Re: gEDA-user: pcb crooked traces

2010-10-09 Thread timecop
Only slow on a 386. Oh, I forgot. Most of Lunix enthusiasts are still using that. On 9 Oct 2010 18:23, "Levente Kovacs" <[1]leventel...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, 8 Oct 2010 14:55:10 -0400 > DJ Delorie <[2...@delorie.com> wrote: > >> Yes, but there's a loss of performance if

Re: gEDA-user: pcb crooked traces

2010-10-08 Thread timecop
OUT having to recompile it or otherwise waste my time. Having to rebuild something with ./configure --enable-shit-that-should-be-on-by-default is freaking ridiculous. P.s. who the fuck is john lennon? On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 11:14 AM, John Griessen wrote: > On 10/08/2010 07:32 PM, timecop wrote: &g

Re: gEDA-user: pcb crooked traces

2010-10-08 Thread timecop
> Then why should we worry about the remote possibility that a user will want > a PCB larger than 2 meters?  Their problem could be solved by creating a 64 > bit version.  I just saw your later post that clearly states your position > so I guess I have my answer. Ah, this is where opensource way o

Re: gEDA-user: pcb minor release, C++ and Gtk cleanup

2010-10-01 Thread timecop
> I still have only one monitor, and I wonder how useful working with Is it at least color? > multiple monitors really is. Prices are not really high in these days, > and power consumption is about 20W each, not too much compared with > other hardware. I think the greatest "benefit" is: If your bo

Re: gEDA-user: Cutouts

2010-09-29 Thread timecop
I was going to reply something about "why are you linking to some stupid flash website with a jpeg on it instead of .pdf off manufacturer's website" but then I thought audio jacks are serious business and he's probably not allowed to disclose any more information than this under a NDA. -tc On Thu

Re: gEDA-user: Portable gEDA for Windows

2010-09-19 Thread timecop
And this, friends, is why people just say fuckit and stop contributing. Enjoy your GPL circlejerk. On 19 Sep 2010 12:18, "DJ Delorie" <[1...@delorie.com> wrote: > >> Not quite; be sure that *anyone can get* the exact sources -- be >> sure to identify and link to the sources that

Re: gEDA-user: Portable gEDA for Windows

2010-09-19 Thread timecop
Yes, and you are still running lunix from 1999, right? I'm sorry but anyone complaining about .net in 2010 is just asking to be ridiculed. On 19 Sep 2010 10:04, "John Griessen" <[1]j...@ecosensory.com> wrote: > On 09/19/2010 11:56 AM, John Griessen wrote: >> Is the .NET framework

Re: gEDA-user: Portable gEDA for Windows

2010-09-19 Thread timecop
Are you joking? On 19 Sep 2010 09:58, "John Griessen" <[1]j...@ecosensory.com> wrote: > On 09/19/2010 11:34 AM, Chris Malton wrote: > >> Unzip it wherever you want, and run the launcher (needs .NET framework - eurgh, but > most Windows people should have it by now). > >

Re: gEDA-user: QFN soldering

2010-09-12 Thread timecop
get a stencil, get solder paste, apply paste over stencil, heatgun, done. super simple. dont even bother doing it "manually" pin to pin, it probably wont work. On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 10:46 AM, gene glick wrote: > does anyone have experience with this package?  I want to know if they > are hard t

Re: gEDA-user: next PCB release - 1.99za vs 4.0

2010-09-11 Thread timecop
Most places handle this with the "assembly" layer. Of course, this wouldn't be part of DRC, but you'd have to be blind put stuff overlapping assembly layers and not see it right away. On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 2:40 PM, Jonathon Schrader wrote: >  I apologize in advance if this has already been sug

Re: gEDA-user: next PCB release - 1.99za vs 4.0

2010-09-08 Thread timecop
GTK isn't all that hard if you just read the header files Amirite? On 8 Sep 2010 19:35, "Stefan Salewski" <[1]m...@ssalewski.de> wrote: > On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 17:08 -0700, Andrew Poelstra wrote: > >> >> Plus, I don't have a clear understanding of what "mapped" and "al

Re: gEDA-user: next PCB release - 1.99za vs 4.0

2010-09-07 Thread timecop
Surely in 2010 there is a portable non-polling way to get file update notification? On 8 Sep 2010 09:46, "Ethan Swint" <[1]eswint.r...@verizon.net> wrote: > On 09/07/2010 08:28 PM, Mark Rages wrote: >>> * Ability to edit netlist in-situ (possibly by drawing on the rat lines >>

Re: gEDA-user: PCB format wishlist

2010-09-06 Thread timecop
> So gschem and gnetlist must obviously be constantly failing, suffer from > horrible inflexibility, and users must live in a fog of file format driven > error. Except they don't. The REAL problem with opensource and contributors like you, is that they're completely incapable of accepting any [

Re: gEDA-user: PCB format wishlist

2010-09-05 Thread timecop
On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Andrew Poelstra wrote: > On Sun, Sep 05, 2010 at 09:18:01PM -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: >> >> > But when each parameter in the file has a name, than file size may >> > become really large, e.g. for files generated with the topological >> > router, with lot of arcs. >>

Re: gEDA-user: Functional blocks and PCB format changes

2010-09-04 Thread timecop
iPAd is about as closedsores and proprietary as it gets; you sure you want to support that? On 5 Sep 2010 11:57, "Steven Michalske" <[1]smichal...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Sep 4, 2010, at 8:49 AM, Andrew Poelstra <[2]as...@sfu.ca> wrote: > >> On Sat, Sep

Re: gEDA-user: Functional blocks and PCB format changes

2010-09-03 Thread timecop
Given the choice between lisp (lol) and xml, the winner is absolutely clear. There are even less lisp users than there are Linux users, and that's a sad statistic. -tc On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Rick Collins wrote: > At 12:11 AM 9/4/2010, you wrote: >> >> On Fri, Sep 03, 2010 at 11:29:58PM

Re: gEDA-user: Commercial CAD, land pattern generators report

2010-08-11 Thread timecop
IPC land pattern wizard in protel/altium is very nice as well. So nice infact I've been using it for BGA and many-pin count packages and then exporting to ascii format which my current EDA package can import. On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 9:43 AM, Bob Paddock wrote: >   On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 7:25 PM

Re: gEDA-user: tiling/panelizing multiple .pcbs

2010-08-10 Thread timecop
CAM350 On 10 Aug 2010 22:53, "Stefan Tauner" <[1]stefan.tau...@student.tuwien.ac.at> wrote: > hi > > i have different pcbs, that i want to submit to a manufacturer, that > allows "nutzen"/tiled pcbs. > dj wrote some scripts to do this (pcb2panel etc. see > [2]http://www.

Re: gEDA-user: PCB, possible to incorporate FreeRotateBuffer() in Buffer menu?

2010-08-04 Thread timecop
Oh I thought you were asking how to rotate. Didn't read all email. On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 5:31 PM, timecop wrote: > I remember seeing http://www.delorie.com/electronics/r8c-27-adapter/ a > while ago. > > On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Svenn Are Bjerkem > wrote: >> H

Re: gEDA-user: PCB, possible to incorporate FreeRotateBuffer() in Buffer menu?

2010-08-04 Thread timecop
I remember seeing http://www.delorie.com/electronics/r8c-27-adapter/ a while ago. On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Svenn Are Bjerkem wrote: > Hi, > I am in the progress of making a DIP-64 carrier pcb for a QFP64 MCU > which also will carry voltage regulator, crystal and some glue logic. > My first

Re: gEDA-user: examples of edge connectors

2010-07-21 Thread timecop
Just make regular pads and put them to the edge of PCB. Then tell them you either want ENIG coating for entire board (you do anyway if you're solderpasting) or ask to do "gold fingers" just for the edge connector part. You can also just leave them as bare copper, but that probably wont last long.

Re: gEDA-user: Draft Licence for Open Source Hardware published (OT)

2010-07-15 Thread timecop
eas to incorporate in proprietary tools? > Try snatch bits of wisdome to patent denying prior art? > > timecop wrote: >>> >>> I think that the proper place to resolve this issue is in the actual >>> *licenses,* which as with OSS may vary from permissive to restrictive

Re: gEDA-user: Draft Licence for Open Source Hardware published (OT)

2010-07-14 Thread timecop
> > On Jul 14, 2010, at 9:47 PM, timecop wrote: > >>> Example: FPGA's.  Verilog source isn't going to help if the FPGA fitter >>> tool proprietary >> >> OK. >> Please name a vendor for FPGA hardware + toolchain that fits into this >>

Re: gEDA-user: Draft Licence for Open Source Hardware published (OT)

2010-07-14 Thread timecop
> Example: FPGA's. Verilog source isn't going to help if the FPGA fitter tool > proprietary OK. Please name a vendor for FPGA hardware + toolchain that fits into this absolutely ridiculous requirement. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.

Re: gEDA-user: Draft Licence for Open Source Hardware published (OT)

2010-07-14 Thread timecop
> I think that the proper place to resolve this issue is in the actual > *licenses,* which as with OSS may vary from permissive to restrictive.  I'd > like to see the evolution of at least one OSHW license where a requirement is > that the design files for the project-- and its derivative works

Re: gEDA-user: Export to SVG or visio

2010-06-28 Thread timecop
i *thought* thats where i saw that. On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 1:04 AM, Bob Paddock wrote: >> I've found some evidence that SVG export might be possible, but not much >> explanation how. Does anyone have some idea how it might be possible? > > This script convert a .sch file from the program gEDA an

Re: gEDA-user: Export to SVG or visio

2010-06-28 Thread timecop
sch2svg On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 12:08 AM, Phil Frost wrote: > I'm looking for a way to export gschem drawings to a format that a > client might be able to edit. Probably they don't have gschem, but some > people do have Visio, or maybe Omnigraffle on a Mac. I think either of > these programs can

Re: gEDA-user: RMS Waveform of a signal

2010-06-16 Thread timecop
> Sincerily, I thought that this are more usual, but there are very few > references on web and nothing in how to obtain in "free world" (at least, I > can't find it). Wait a minute. So you want to get something (presumably for your work) that a piece of commercial software does, for "free" for wha

Re: gEDA-user: Use of Alt+Mouse1

2010-06-15 Thread timecop
ws key? > >  Are you for real? > >           -Dave > > On 6/15/10 10:22 PM, timecop wrote: >> Maybe it's time to travel into 2010. >> >> On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 10:51 AM, DJ Delorie wrote: >>> >>>> Ok, then. Let's take the key with

Re: gEDA-user: Use of Alt+Mouse1 (was: Next problem, PCB looses rats)

2010-06-15 Thread timecop
Maybe it's time to travel into 2010. On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 10:51 AM, DJ Delorie wrote: > >> Ok, then. Let's take the key with the windows logo, or AltGr, or the key >> with the menu to the right of the right windows key. :-) > > My keyboard doesn't have any of those keys... > > > __

Re: gEDA-user: PCB Patches: Use c99 bool instead of manual typedef.

2010-06-05 Thread timecop
Because if you got any worthwhile changes to this stuff, you should have committed them by now. If you haven't, then deal with it. On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 8:30 PM, Peter Clifton wrote: > On Fri, 2010-06-04 at 23:38 -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: >> > On Fri, 2010-06-04 at 22:17 -0400, DJ Delorie wrote:

Re: gEDA-user: On Deprecation of GtkTearoffMenuItem

2010-05-30 Thread timecop
OffMenu in general or > is it something specific to an application usage of > TearOffMenuItem ? > > pt > > > -Original Message- > From: timecop > To: gEDA user mailing list > Sent: Sat, May 29, 2010 5:01 pm > Subject: Re: gEDA-user: On Deprecation of GtkTearoffM

Re: gEDA-user: On Deprecation of GtkTearoffMenuItem

2010-05-29 Thread timecop
This is the best news I've read on this list since subscribing. I've complained about tear-off menus since at least < year 2000. Shit is annoying, gets in the way, prevents proper keyboard operation, yadayada. Kill it with fire. -tc On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 2:57 AM, Paul Tan wrote: > Hi, > > For

Re: gEDA-user: PCB Patches: Use c99 bool instead of manual typedef.

2010-05-26 Thread timecop
Anything not supporting c99 in 2010 shouldnt be used anyway. On 5/27/10, Dave McGuire wrote: > On 5/26/10 6:16 PM, Robert Spanton wrote: >> I started working on stuff in the PCB source, and found that it uses a >> typedef called 'Boolean' rather than the c99 bool type. Please find >> three patch

Re: gEDA-user: Protel

2010-05-24 Thread timecop
protel library ascii output format is pretty straightforward. i've used altium ipc pad designer to do qfn/bga/etc pads and export them for import in other software. i think equivalent ascii outputs exist for protel PCB as well. start coding. On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 8:42 AM, Nikos Arechiga wrote

Re: gEDA-user: Screenshots on www.gpleda.org/

2010-05-15 Thread timecop
> I reorganized the image links so that a click on the preview brings you > directly to the full size version. In addition, I added captions to the > images with the advice to click for full size. Most browsers will render > this as pop-up help. That looks much better, thanks. > > ---<)kaimartin(

Re: gEDA-user: Screenshots on www.gpleda.org/

2010-05-15 Thread timecop
On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 10:10 AM, Ales Hvezda wrote: > > >>And maybe having pics > 128pixels in width would help actually seeing >>what things look like. > > All the thumbnails are actually 320x240 and there is a link right below > each one for a full sized pic. I consider myself smarter than the

Re: gEDA-user: Screenshots on www.gpleda.org/

2010-05-15 Thread timecop
And maybe having pics > 128pixels in width would help actually seeing what things look like. On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 5:43 AM, Stefan Salewski wrote: > On Mon, 2010-03-08 at 15:41 +, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: >> Moin. >> >> The screenshot page on gpleda.org is a bit outdated >>       http://www.

Re: gEDA-user: OT: Bike Alarms

2010-05-13 Thread timecop
> Of course, we also have the problem of getting a decent  GPS fix, since > if it's stolen, it will need to get enough signal to report its > position, and if it's being stored inside a building, that's going to be > very difficult, even before you take the possibility of a metal-framed > bike into

Re: gEDA-user: OT: Bike Alarms (was: Re: Copper-free area in footprint)

2010-05-13 Thread timecop
> Same as with the lights. Either from a dynamo, or from batteries charged at > home. For bonus points, make it charge by induction while sitting inside the seat pole. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mail

Re: gEDA-user: How do I mark the connection point on a pad?

2010-05-09 Thread timecop
i'm pretty sure the guy is talking about a situation when 1) new user makes a board not knowing much about the tools involved 2) default via size is set smaller than default DRC check. the #2 part is what needs to be fixing, because face it, nobody who just started using this is gonna spend an ho

Re: gEDA-user: Copper-free area in footprint

2010-05-03 Thread timecop
uh.. theres no way to specify route/fill keepout area? On 5/4/10, Tamas Szabo wrote: > John Luciani wrote: >> On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Tamas Szabo wrote: >>> John Luciani wrote: On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Tamas Szabo wrote: > My best idea is, that I do it by pads whi

Re: gEDA-user: font problem in 1.6.0

2010-05-02 Thread timecop
-Dave > > On May 3, 2010, at 12:02 AM, timecop wrote: >> >> yes. check archives >> >> On 5/3/10, Dave McGuire wrote: >>> >>>   I've just succeeded in building 1.6.0 under OS X, along with its >>> dependencies.  I used gtk+ v2.18.9, cair

Re: gEDA-user: font problem in 1.6.0

2010-05-02 Thread timecop
yes. check archives On 5/3/10, Dave McGuire wrote: > >I've just succeeded in building 1.6.0 under OS X, along with its > dependencies. I used gtk+ v2.18.9, cairo v1.8.10, glib v2.22.5, and > pango v1.22.4. I had to use such an old release of Pango due to some > stupidity on the part of the

Re: gEDA-user: suppress command line window in Win32 build

2010-04-29 Thread timecop
How about fixing it then. On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Peter Clifton wrote: > On Thu, 2010-04-29 at 21:23 +0900, timecop wrote: >> thats not the window he's talking about. > > Yes it is. > >> how about actually running the windows build. > > I'm the

Re: gEDA-user: suppress command line window in Win32 build

2010-04-29 Thread timecop
thats not the window he's talking about. how about actually running the windows build. On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 9:17 PM, Peter Clifton wrote: > On Thu, 2010-04-29 at 14:01 +0200, Duncan Drennan wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Is there a way to suppress the command prompt window in the Win32 >> builds? Does an

Re: gEDA-user: suppress command line window in Win32 build

2010-04-29 Thread timecop
im guessing something related to the "geda is a collection of a bunch of random command line scripts" and... anyway, i saw it there last time i bothered trying pcb on windows and i was like lol professional. On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Duncan Drennan wrote: > Hi, > > Is there a way to suppr

Re: gEDA-user: gEDA programming

2010-04-23 Thread timecop
just get used to typing gtk_ridiculously_long_function_names_with_lots_of_underscores() and wearing your keyboard out since not a single IDE under Lunix would have code complete or any other code editor improvements us Windows programmers have been taking for granted for years. -tc On Fri, Apr 23

Re: gEDA-user: A little puzzled about the purpose of gschem

2010-04-21 Thread timecop
I think you use it for, you know, schematic entry when you're actually like, you know, designing a PCB. -tc On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Madhusudan Singh wrote: >   Hello, > >   I am not new (though a tad rusty) to spice, or the usual design >   process. Years ago, I went through an analog c

Re: gEDA-user: un-tented vias and solder mask

2010-04-16 Thread timecop
Thats funny, i'd rather HAVE my vias covered with solder mask. On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Richard de Rivaz wrote: >   Hi >   I have a similar problem. I am using pcb v20080202-2 on Ubuntu and have >   found that certain pads do not appear in the solder mask when exported >   as Gerber file

Re: gEDA-user: paid help?

2010-04-07 Thread timecop
Exactly, that's why I'm happily using Windows... On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 1:25 AM, Stefan Salewski wrote: > On Wed, 2010-04-07 at 13:43 +0900, timecop wrote: >> I would never trust pre-made symbols for any project, it takes very > > Similar for me, and I do not trust my ow

Re: gEDA-user: paid help?

2010-04-06 Thread timecop
I would never trust pre-made symbols for any project, it takes very little effort to make your own, and some projects would call for something different that wasnt exactly in default pads anyway, such as smaller width 0402 pads for a densely placed board etc. But stuff like qfn/bga/etc, it better b

Re: gEDA-user: Missing posts?

2010-03-29 Thread timecop
You can have a gmail filter for the list and there's a checkbox to "never send these messages to spam". That should fix it. On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 6:28 AM, Vanessa Ezekowitz wrote: > On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 14:19:30 -0700 > Steven Michalske wrote: > >> I NEVER get my own posts, even though I have t

Re: gEDA-user: pcb DRC

2010-03-28 Thread timecop
> I believe there are some fab's who run a DRC check with a web interface > as you upload the design files. I doubt this will be available until > you've committed to fabrication though. freedfm from 4pcb is free but it sucks and they will spam you. anyway, if you're at the point where you need to

Re: gEDA-user: pcb DRC

2010-03-27 Thread timecop
>> lol. this is a 6 layer board? it could probably be hand-routed on 2 >> layer and if design actually needs 4 layer for whatever reason, but 6? >> wtf. > > Grounding.  High speed.  EMI  see my long post where I explain what > this board shall do. > > The preamp that shall drive the inputs to

Re: gEDA-user: pcb DRC

2010-03-27 Thread timecop
> Yep, look for example, at X2/C10 (at X=3426, Y=2381) it is so close to X2/R9 > and X2/R5.  How will you avoid solder bridges there? In fact, the solder well, that particular area doesnt matter since they're actually connected together anyway but yeah i agree placing pads THAT close together is b

Re: gEDA-user: pcb DRC

2010-03-27 Thread timecop
>> 1. You have silkscreen printing going right through most of your >> pads. How do you plan to solder to that? > > The silk is not going to be printed, it is only for the assembly > drawing.  I gave up on silk at this density.  For a dense flight board I > once had the silk printed, but without th

Re: gEDA-user: PCB won't compile

2010-03-18 Thread timecop
is that really building a 'motif' based frontend lol. On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 11:20 PM, Kovacs Levente wrote: > Hi, > > > I couldn't compile a fresh copy of PCB cloned from git. > > It fails with: > > hid/lesstif/menu.c: In function ‘lesstif_call_action’: > hid/lesstif/menu.c:856: error: ‘x’ unde

Re: gEDA-user: Assembly drawing

2010-03-09 Thread timecop
um, you should have component refdes near the component on the silk level. if you have some more complicated assembly-related instructions (outline of big component, keep-out area, etc) they should go in assembly layer. why do you have refdes outside of the board from beginning? On Tue, Mar 9, 20

Re: gEDA-user: gEDA user: gnetlist -gdrc buffer overflow and gnetlist -gspice-sdb killed

2010-03-01 Thread timecop
Please kindly use computers from this century. On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Facundo Ferrer wrote: >   Hi, >   I have an Ubuntu distro: >   facu...@uni-laptop:~$ uname -a >   Linux uni-laptop 2.6.31-19-generic #56-Ubuntu SMP Thu Jan 28 02:39:34 >   UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux >   I have installe

Re: gEDA-user: TO-92 Best Practices

2010-03-01 Thread timecop
Why woudl someone use to92 in 2010. On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Windell H. Oskay wrote: > > On Mar 1, 2010, at 7:15 PM, Geoff Swan wrote: > What's considered Best Practices for TO-92 packages? >>> >>> Redesign with SOT-23.  Easier to solder, faster than stuffing TO-92. >> >> +1 > >

Re: gEDA-user: I am such a troll for posting to slashdot

2010-02-27 Thread timecop
> standard parts library.  And if you're making footprints and symbols, > text files generated by scripts are FAR superior to any GUI.  I'd never > get 100-1000 pins right if I had to use a GUI. lol, every altium user disagrees. if you ever seen their IPC pattern / component wizard, you wouldn't be

Re: gEDA-user: Making circles in PCB

2010-02-25 Thread timecop
It can't be that simple or else someone would have done it alreay. On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 1:12 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: > >> I think the first thing before this discussion gets out of hand is >> to asap add clicking x/y to set center and clicking again to set >> radius or just popping up a dialogbo

Re: gEDA-user: Making circles in PCB

2010-02-25 Thread timecop
Seriously? gEDA can't draw circles? I think the first thing before this discussion gets out of hand is to asap add clicking x/y to set center and clicking again to set radius or just popping up a dialogbox to set radius/correct XY after one click in 'circle' tool mode. Then you can spend the next

Re: gEDA-user: Eagle to gEDA conversion path??

2010-02-22 Thread timecop
wrote: > > On Feb 22, 2010, at 9:08 PM, timecop wrote: > >> Diptrace has a pair of ulp scripts to convert eagle project to ascii >> schematic and pcb. > OK, although I don't know what either Diptrace or ulp are.  Sounds like a > good place to start, though. > >

Re: gEDA-user: Eagle to gEDA conversion path??

2010-02-22 Thread timecop
Diptrace has a pair of ulp scripts to convert eagle project to ascii schematic and pcb. after some creative editing to make output format match geda, it should be fairly feature compelte On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 1:36 PM, al davis wrote: > On Monday 22 February 2010, Dave N6NZ wrote: >> Is there an

Re: gEDA-user: Translations for gEDA 1.6.1....

2010-02-07 Thread timecop
Official rule of how things work (on the other OS) is that 1) localized versions which use non-CJK alphabet will have localized accelerators (ex. _New, Ne_u, etc) 2) CJK localized versions will put the english accelerator in ( ) after the original menu text - ex. ファイル(_F) This seems to work and c

Re: gEDA-user: pcb: All v. Any pin connectivity

2010-02-03 Thread timecop
> I ran into the same thing four times within the last week, just tinkering > with some old projects: > > * A common four-pin SPST momentary button with two pairs of electrically > connected pins, > * A DB25 connector had its metal metal shield/shell connected to the two > primary mounting holes

Re: gEDA-user: pcb: All v. Any pin connectivity (was: Taking advantage of internally connected pins)

2010-02-03 Thread timecop
> At the very least, it seems that there should be a way to specify that "any" > pin with the same number satisfies the connection. fairly ridiculous assumption especially with ICs, many of which specifically say something like "all GND/VCC pads must be connected". The point of properly drawn sy

Re: gEDA-user: Schematic Capture to dxf File - using gEDA, Inkscape, and pstoedit

2010-01-20 Thread timecop
I couldn't help but chuckle at your explanation of unconnected ground pours after you said you were milling your boards presumable on a hand-made-out-of-plywood-cnc. kinda like trying to kill a fly with a jackhammer. Seriously its 2010, even hardcore open-source hippies should be able to afford a

Re: gEDA-user: little slivers

2010-01-10 Thread timecop
i dont use geda and i looked at attached pdf. is this rly de3ault behaviour for pours and cant be changed? On 1/11/10, Ben Jackson wrote: > On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 05:28:05PM -0800, David Griffith wrote: >> >> This sounds like the solution. Do you have any sample code or pseudocode >> on how to

Re: gEDA-user: Is there some kind of gerber to pcb tool?

2009-12-30 Thread timecop
When I had to do that, I put the gerber layer as assembly layer on PCB and traced it over. No, you won't be able to 'directly' import it. No idea if you can do this in pcb or not either, I've not used it. On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Anthony Shanks wrote: > I just screwed up big time and acci

Re: gEDA-user: gerbv failure to parse sample gerber file (data attached)

2009-12-20 Thread timecop
For example, polygon primitive drawing is not done in GDK. When I tried to look at the code to add it, I noticed polygon WAS handled in one place but not in another. In amacro it prints as circle (and none of amacros handle p2/p3/p4/p5 parameters), but from prim(21? i think, not in front of code no

Re: gEDA-user: gerbv failure to parse sample gerber file (data attached)

2009-12-18 Thread timecop
Ya, that one was obvious, I hand-copied those anyway and saw the bug. By the way, cairo rendering frontend seems to be more maintained than the GDK one - example, not supporting additional parameters in apertures (i.e. circle inside circle, rectangle inside circle etc). Any plans on making that w

Re: gEDA-user: gerbv failure to parse sample gerber file (data attached)

2009-12-18 Thread timecop
Yep, works to at least display them somewhat. Getting some more warnings, Found AD code with no following 'D' in file In file ,aperture number out of bounds : -1 etc. At least they're visible now. Thanks On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Ineiev wrote: > On 12/18/09, timecop w