gEDA-user: EDIF: Found some ancient books. Any use to you?

2010-11-12 Thread Dave N6NZ
I discovered a box of books that never got unpacked after the last rearrangement of my home office. Among these, I found several EDIF-related books. Since I long ago stopped giving a rat's rear end about EDIF, I offer them to the group. I'm guessing I could stuff them into a USPS flat-rate m

Re: gEDA-user: pcb crooked traces

2010-10-11 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Oct 11, 2010, at 1:54 PM, John Doty wrote: > > You misunderstand. Computer floats are not real numbers: they are discrete > elements of a finite set. +1 > Their behavior is more difficult to comprehend than the behavior of integers. > Well, it's not that so much as that your instincts abou

Re: gEDA-user: pcb crooked traces

2010-10-11 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Oct 11, 2010, at 1:43 PM, Stefan Salewski wrote: > > -- may long default to 64 bit on 64 bit systems A well, that depends on the programming model that the system developers chose. 64 bit systems have been done two ways: LP64 or ILP64, that is "longs and pointers are 64, ints are

Re: gEDA-user: other FOSS layout tools

2010-10-09 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Oct 9, 2010, at 6:44 PM, John Griessen wrote: > On 10/09/2010 08:14 PM, Dave N6NZ wrote: >> KiCAD -- I haven't tried it myself, so I don't know much about it's >> capabilities. > > When I first looked at it a couple of years ago it was a small group,

Re: gEDA-user: GNUduino - Arduino made with gEDA

2010-10-09 Thread Dave N6NZ
KiCAD -- I haven't tried it myself, so I don't know much about it's capabilities. -dave On Oct 9, 2010, at 3:48 PM, Rick Collins wrote: > I assume one is gEDA... what is the other? > > Rick > > > At 01:56 AM 10/9/2010, you wrote: >> Good on you. It really gripes me when open hardware proje

Re: gEDA-user: GNUduino - Arduino made with gEDA

2010-10-09 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Oct 9, 2010, at 10:28 AM, Kevin Vermeer wrote: > What can we do to gEDA to make it more accessible to these > folks? IMHO, the OP is on the right track. It will take less energy and time to simply fork the designs and push them out to a public repo than to lobby with the originators.

Re: gEDA-user: GNUduino - Arduino made with gEDA

2010-10-08 Thread Dave N6NZ
Good on you. It really gripes me when open hardware projects use something like Eagle for the schematic/pcb flow. The current object of my derision for doing that is the RepRap foundation. Today there are at least two reasonable choices for open source schematic and pcb design -- why do open

Re: gEDA-user: pcb crooked traces

2010-10-08 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Oct 8, 2010, at 10:27 AM, Dave N6NZ wrote: > > I couldn't say what the standard panel sizes are in the industry, but I could > make an effort to find out. FWIW, A quick poll of my friends indicates that 18x24 inches seems to be a standard panel size, but 48 x 22 inch boa

Re: gEDA-user: pcb crooked traces

2010-10-08 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Oct 8, 2010, at 12:42 PM, Andrew Miner wrote: >> > > For flexible PCBs which are made on roll to roll machinery, Good point, I forgot that a few months ago I saw some of these at a show. The vendor said you could do printed circuits 8 inches wide by arbitrarily long. Nice flex boards, to

Re: gEDA-user: pcb crooked traces

2010-10-08 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Oct 8, 2010, at 8:57 AM, Levente Kovacs wrote: > On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 10:31:10 -0400 > Rick Collins wrote: > >> Personally, I can't imagine a PCB larger than 2 meters much less 4 >> meters. Or is the possibility of uses other than PCB design being >> considered here? > FYI -- the largest

gEDA-user: pcb for kitchens (was: Re: pcb crooked traces)

2010-10-08 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Oct 8, 2010, at 8:57 AM, Levente Kovacs wrote: > On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 10:31:10 -0400 > Rick Collins wrote: > >> Personally, I can't imagine a PCB larger than 2 meters much less 4 >> meters. Or is the possibility of uses other than PCB design being >> considered here? > > I ended up design

Re: gEDA-user: pcb crooked traces

2010-10-07 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Oct 7, 2010, at 7:50 AM, Stefan Salewski wrote: > On Thu, 2010-10-07 at 22:29 +0800, Steven Michalske wrote: I cannot get rid of the jagged diagonal lines on my design. There's lots of them. The picture shows a couple of examples. I've tried different grid sizes, line width

Re: gEDA-user: GPLv3 question

2010-10-06 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Oct 6, 2010, at 3:20 PM, Geoff Swan wrote: > So just to clarify - if you distribute an embedded device that runs a > GPLv3 binary; to comply with the GPLv3 you must not only provide the > source, but also a hardware-programmer/uploader? > I suppose in most cases this isn't necessarily a huge i

Re: gEDA-user: GPLv3 question

2010-10-06 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Oct 6, 2010, at 1:01 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: > >> You don't need to deliver *any* source code unless it is requested >> by the user. > > In the case of an embedded product, with GPLv3, the *only* way to not > include the source is to include the written offer, which opens you up > for a DDNS.

gEDA-user: physicists (Re: new footprint guidelines)

2010-10-06 Thread Dave N6NZ
I think a lot of people confuse the difference between a theoretical physicist and an experimental physicist. A theoretical uses a whiteboard and marker. He/She writes a paper. An experimental physicist reads the paper and goes -- "Oh, really?". He/She constructs experimental apparatus using

Re: gEDA-user: kicad/gerbview vs. pcb/gerbv: interpretation of "Circular Interpolation"

2010-09-01 Thread Dave N6NZ
Yeah. I can't imagine a modern photo plotter having trouble with it. In CNC code, doing a circle cut in arc segments is considered 'good practice' by some, since a machine controller will only pause between lines of G-code. If a circle is done as quadrants, then if something goes wacky you ca

Re: gEDA-user: kicad/gerbview vs. pcb/gerbv: interpretation of "Circular Interpolation"

2010-08-31 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Aug 31, 2010, at 10:32 AM, DJ Delorie wrote: > >> That all depends on what the software says the difference is. I can >> see those being very different things. One is an arc that is less >> than half a circle and the other an arc that is more than half a >> circle. But if the software i

Re: gEDA-user: gEDA/gaf and PCB on OS X

2010-08-14 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Aug 14, 2010, at 2:16 PM, John Doty wrote: > > The only real problem with Fink is that it gets itself tied in knots > occasionally. Every couple of years, I have to "rm -rf /sw" and reinstall the > whole thing. The only *other* problem with Fink is that is doesn't always play well with Mac

Re: gEDA-user: Commercial CAD, land pattern generators report

2010-08-13 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Aug 13, 2010, at 12:51 PM, Felipe De la Puente Christen wrote: > On Fri, 2010-08-13 at 11:21 -0700, Dave N6NZ wrote: > >> >> I've been watching FOSS 3D CAD for a while, and until FreeCAD came along the >> outlook was pretty depressing. The FreeCAD guys, howev

Re: gEDA-user: Commercial CAD, land pattern generators report

2010-08-13 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Aug 12, 2010, at 7:17 AM, John Griessen wrote: > > certain 3D entities are *not* documented, >> they are binary blobs and you can only get the spec by paying for a license >> from Autocad and signing an NDA. So no open source >> dxf library will ever be able to handle all of dxf. My immedi

Re: gEDA-user: Commercial CAD, land pattern generators report

2010-08-11 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Aug 11, 2010, at 12:28 PM, John Griessen wrote; > > What's a good reference about DXF? Arghhh... I've spent a bit of time trying to read .dxf correctly. My first shot was for reading .dxf to drive a simple laser cutter that used bastardized HP/GL. I did an ad hoc parser in C after reading

Re: gEDA-user: Gschem/PCB: how to deal with "special" pins & pads?

2010-07-21 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Jul 21, 2010, at 1:35 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: > >> - So-called "don't care" pins and pads, e.g. mounting pads for SMD >> connectors. > > I name them "M1" through "M4" for example, and if you want to connect > them to something, yeah, they need to be in the netlist. I'm not sure > if DRC ignor

Re: gEDA-user: Gschem/PCB: how to deal with "special" pins & pads?

2010-07-21 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Jul 21, 2010, at 1:03 PM, Richard Rasker wrote: > Hello, > > I'm a happy GSchem + PCB user for quite a few years now, but I'm still > puzzled about one aspect of defining symbols and footprints, and that is > "special" pins and pads. With "special" I mean the following types of > pins/pads: >

Re: gEDA-user: dxf again

2010-07-16 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Jul 16, 2010, at 7:17 AM, Armin Faltl wrote: > > Dave N6NZ wrote: >> But my application is a little different. I want to get a DXF file that I >> can run through a CAM package, in particular the paste layer, which isn't a >> 'real' layer, unfortuna

Re: gEDA-user: dxf again

2010-07-15 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Jul 15, 2010, at 12:40 PM, Mark Rages wrote: > Hi all, > > Having reached the limits of pcb's feeble editor, I want to take some > traces on a pcb through a pcb->???->dxf->qcad->dxf->dxftopcb->pcb > cycle. > > I had already written the dxftopcb tool. > (http://vivara.net/software/dxftopcb) w

Re: gEDA-user: Draft Licence for Open Source Hardware published (OT)

2010-07-15 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Jul 15, 2010, at 7:47 AM, asom...@gmail.com wrote: > On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 10:32 PM, Dave N6NZ wrote: >> >> On Jul 14, 2010, at 7:46 PM, Windell H. Oskay wrote: >> >>> >>> On Jul 14, 2010, at 7:36 PM, Ales Hvezda wrote: >>>> >

Re: gEDA-user: Draft Licence for Open Source Hardware published (OT)

2010-07-15 Thread Dave N6NZ
gt; open". I don't believe there is one. Yet, a license that says only that you must publish design data in publicly documented file format would allow such a design. That is my point. > > > > On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Dave N6NZ wrote: >> >> On Jul

Re: gEDA-user: Draft Licence for Open Source Hardware published (OT)

2010-07-14 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Jul 14, 2010, at 9:47 PM, timecop wrote: >> Example: FPGA's. Verilog source isn't going to help if the FPGA fitter tool >> proprietary > > OK. > Please name a vendor for FPGA hardware + toolchain that fits into this > absolutely ridiculous requirement. I don't understand your question. Ca

Re: gEDA-user: Draft Licence for Open Source Hardware published (OT)

2010-07-14 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Jul 14, 2010, at 7:46 PM, Windell H. Oskay wrote: > > On Jul 14, 2010, at 7:36 PM, Ales Hvezda wrote: >> >> And my usual questions: >> >> http://lwn.net/Articles/396011/ > > I've had some part in this. Whether or not proprietary design files can be > compatible with open source hardware

Re: gEDA-user: Matching footprints with symbols

2010-04-14 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Apr 14, 2010, at 10:18 AM, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: > > 3) There is consensus, that the current library is in poor shape. But > there are diverging opinions how a good default library should look like. > And I doubt there will ever be a "one size fits all" library. The flexibility of the c

Re: gEDA-user: hierarchy and net attributes.

2010-04-08 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Apr 8, 2010, at 2:28 PM, Dave N6NZ wrote: > So as I understand the current situation in gschem/gnetlist, there is no way > to get a global net in a hierarchical design other than to set: > > (hierarchy-netattrib-mangle "disabled") > > in gnetlistrc. However,

gEDA-user: hierarchy and net attributes.

2010-04-08 Thread Dave N6NZ
So as I understand the current situation in gschem/gnetlist, there is no way to get a global net in a hierarchical design other than to set: (hierarchy-netattrib-mangle "disabled") in gnetlistrc. However, now all net attributes will become global nets. So, if one uses off-page connector symbo

Re: gEDA-user: How do I reference a shell variable from guile script?

2010-04-08 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Apr 8, 2010, at 3:31 AM, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: > On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 11:21:53 -0700, Dave N6NZ wrote: > >> No amount of googling brought up a simple syntax example like that. > > I added a note in the wiki. Great! The on-line guile documentation that I found via goog

gEDA-user: symbol edit->translate working strangely

2010-04-07 Thread Dave N6NZ
I've created some symbols with non-zero width outlines using line elements of width 40. edit->translate(0) seems to get confused, and offsets the symbol so the pins don't line up on 100 unit grid. edit->translate with independent x,y values seems to by broken. How can I fix this, short of writi

Re: gEDA-user: How do I reference a shell variable from guile script?

2010-04-07 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Apr 7, 2010, at 11:05 AM, John Doty wrote: > > On Apr 7, 2010, at 11:49 AM, Dave N6NZ wrote: > >> Suppose I want to build a path like: $HOME//gedasymbols to pick up >> component libraries, without unrolling $HOME into a hard path in a >> (define..) -- how do

gEDA-user: How do I reference a shell variable from guile script?

2010-04-07 Thread Dave N6NZ
Suppose I want to build a path like: $HOME//gedasymbols to pick up component libraries, without unrolling $HOME into a hard path in a (define..) -- how do I get guile to pick up the value of $HOME from the shell, and then get it pasted into the rest of the stuff? I'm aiming for: (define gedasym

Re: gEDA-user: paid help?

2010-04-07 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Apr 7, 2010, at 9:25 AM, Stefan Salewski wrote: > On Wed, 2010-04-07 at 13:43 +0900, timecop wrote: >> I would never trust pre-made symbols for any project, it takes very > > Similar for me, and I do not trust my own symbols also! True enough. The only time I have been badly burned is when

Re: gEDA-user: How do I change initial window size on gschem and pcb?

2010-04-07 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Apr 7, 2010, at 5:38 AM, Peter Clifton wrote: > On Wed, 2010-04-07 at 14:23 +0800, Atommann wrote: >> Hi, >> >> 2010/4/7 Dave N6NZ : >>> This may be an X-windows-on-Mac question, not a gEDA question, but... >>> >>> When gschem or pcb ope

gEDA-user: How do I change initial window size on gschem and pcb?

2010-04-06 Thread Dave N6NZ
This may be an X-windows-on-Mac question, not a gEDA question, but... When gschem or pcb open on my macbook, the window is too tall, and the resize grabber is off the screen on the bottom and I can't reach it to resize the window. Normally, not an issue since I immediately move the window over

Re: gEDA-user: paid help?

2010-04-06 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Apr 6, 2010, at 4:21 PM, Levente Kovacs wrote: > On Tue, 6 Apr 2010 09:41:37 -0700 > Anthony Shanks wrote: > >> In my opinion it's worth spending an hour going over the footprint >> file format and just making your footprints in an ASCII editor. Once >> you know the file format it's very fas

Re: gEDA-user: paid help?

2010-04-06 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Apr 6, 2010, at 10:52 AM, Mark Rages wrote: > On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Anthony Shanks wrote: >> Didn't bother with any kind of scripted footprint generator as I >> wanted to know exactly what the file format was for footprints. Once I >> discovered how easy it was I felt it wasn't wor

Re: gEDA-user: gEDA logo title block, footprint

2010-04-05 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Apr 5, 2010, at 3:22 PM, kai-martin knaak wrote: > Dave N6NZ wrote: > >> I'm getting started on an open-hardware project using gEDA, and did a >> couple of gEDA logo items. >> >> 1. logo'ed title block symbol. This is pretty much a clone of the >&

gEDA-user: gEDA logo title block, footprint

2010-04-04 Thread Dave N6NZ
I'm getting started on an open-hardware project using gEDA, and did a couple of gEDA logo items. 1. logo'ed title block symbol. This is pretty much a clone of the standard title-B symbol, with these tweaks in the title block: * sub-block for copyright * sub-block for license (reference, not th

gEDA-user: Are multiple pinlabels on a symbol pin OK?

2010-04-02 Thread Dave N6NZ
Normally when I construct a symbol for a microcontroller or such part where the I/O pins can have multiple functions, I like to include the alternate functions in the pin label, like this example from an Atmel part: pinlabel=PE2 (XTAL2/ADC0/PCINT26) But... I've run into a part where the list of

Re: gEDA-user: gafrc/gschemrc ordering issue?

2010-03-31 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Mar 31, 2010, at 5:51 PM, kai-martin knaak wrote: > Dave N6NZ wrote: > >> (component-library "/Users/dave/gitrepos/gedalib/tbsymbol2") >> (define default-titleblock "tbtitle-B") > ^ > How about "tbtitle-B

gEDA-user: gafrc/gschemrc ordering issue?

2010-03-31 Thread Dave N6NZ
I am trying to get gschem to come up with my personal title block. Seems like it should be easy. But... Here is an rc file in the project directory: (component-library "/Users/dave/gitrepos/gedalib/tbsymbol2") (define default-titleblock "tbtitle-B") If that file is named gafrc, the 'define def

Re: gEDA-user: gEDA/gaf release branch in git? mac build?

2010-03-31 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Mar 31, 2010, at 9:06 AM, John Griessen wrote: > Peter Clifton wrote: >> On Tue, 2010-03-30 at 15:41 -0700, Dave N6NZ wrote: >>> I want to follow the git -- but for now on the release branch (if there is >>> one??) not the dev head. >> Use the stable-1.

Re: gEDA-user: gEDA/gaf release branch in git? mac build?

2010-03-30 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Mar 30, 2010, at 3:53 PM, Peter Clifton wrote: > On Tue, 2010-03-30 at 15:41 -0700, Dave N6NZ wrote: > >> I want to follow the git -- but for now on the release branch (if there is >> one??) not the dev head. > > Use the stable-1.6 branch in that case. Individual

Re: gEDA-user: gEDA/gaf release branch in git? mac build?

2010-03-30 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Mar 30, 2010, at 3:05 PM, Steven Michalske wrote: > > On Mar 30, 2010, at 2:49 PM, Dave N6NZ wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I'm about to attempt building gEDA/gaf on a Mac. My plan is to use the git >> repo. Two questions: >> >> 1. Is there a br

gEDA-user: gEDA/gaf release branch in git? mac build?

2010-03-30 Thread Dave N6NZ
Hi, I'm about to attempt building gEDA/gaf on a Mac. My plan is to use the git repo. Two questions: 1. Is there a branch or tag or such for the "latest release"? I'd like to track that and not follow the development head for now. 2. Any special Mac build tricks I should know about? I use m

Re: gEDA-user: Open Source mechanical CAD on the horizon

2010-03-10 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Mar 10, 2010, at 4:24 AM, Peter Clifton wrote: > > Questions though.. > > What to do with a manually defined paste layer if the user fiddles with > the size of the copper pad / solder mask? (Assuming that eventually > becomes more flexible to edit). ? I don't think I understand the question.

Re: gEDA-user: Open Source mechanical CAD on the horizon

2010-03-09 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Mar 9, 2010, at 4:01 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: > >> is that true? Is it simply generated on the fly off the pad >> information during gerber export? > > That's true. Just in case anyone is confused by the tight snippage: It is true that there is no "real" paste layer, it is generated on the fl

Re: gEDA-user: Open Source mechanical CAD on the horizon

2010-03-09 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Mar 9, 2010, at 3:33 PM, Peter Clifton wrote: > On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 18:27 -0500, Dan McMahill wrote: >> pstoedit converts postscript to various formats. So I suppose you could >> try pcb export to postscript and then pstoedit to produce dxf. That >> said, there are always issues with fil

Re: gEDA-user: Open Source mechanical CAD on the horizon

2010-03-09 Thread Dave N6NZ
Well, for one thing, dxflib is rock solid, and pstoedit was broken in many ways the last time I tried to use it. -dave On Mar 9, 2010, at 2:48 PM, Windell H. Oskay wrote: > Doesn't pstoedit already do this, too? > > http://www.pstoedit.net/ > > Are there advantages to these custom versions? >

Re: gEDA-user: Looking for my first fab shop.

2010-03-08 Thread Dave N6NZ
If this is your first board, I'd go with a shop that is reasonably fast and known for quality work. Fast because: * this is your first board, and you are excited to have it. * this is your first board, and now is the time to "make mistakes quickly". Quality work because: * this is your first bo

Re: gEDA-user: Native Mac OS X?

2010-02-28 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Feb 28, 2010, at 9:35 AM, Charles Lepple wrote: > On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Dave N6NZ wrote: >> >> On Feb 27, 2010, at 12:44 PM, Peter Clifton wrote: >> >>> Someone with a Mac might like to try building gEDA and PCB with a native >>> ve

Re: gEDA-user: Native Mac OS X?

2010-02-28 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Feb 27, 2010, at 12:44 PM, Peter Clifton wrote: > Someone with a Mac might like to try building gEDA and PCB with a native > version of GTK? OK, I'll play dumb. I recently built PCB from git after naively using macports to make all the dependancies go away. How is that different from what I

Re: gEDA-user: I am such a troll for posting to slashdot

2010-02-28 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Feb 27, 2010, at 8:51 AM, John Luciani wrote: > > John hasn't had time to finish :( So John, post a to-do list and your check-in check-list. If several of us volunteer to do a symbol or three we should be able to push it over the hump by a reasonable deadline "Symbols by the Solstice

Re: gEDA-user: Making circles in PCB

2010-02-25 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Feb 25, 2010, at 4:01 PM, Vanessa Ezekowitz wrote: > On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:57:20 -0800 > Dave N6NZ wrote: > >> >> On Feb 25, 2010, at 10:45 AM, DJ Delorie wrote: >> >>> >>> Everything in pcb supports non-90 arcs, except for the ability to &g

Re: gEDA-user: Making circles in PCB

2010-02-25 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Feb 25, 2010, at 10:45 AM, DJ Delorie wrote: > > Everything in pcb supports non-90 arcs, except for the ability to > create them. Someone needs to come up with a friendly way to > create/edit arcs that aren't 90 degrees, that's all. FWIW QCad has 3 pimary arc creation modes: 1. click1 sets c

Re: gEDA-user: Open Source mechanical CAD on the horizon

2010-02-25 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Feb 24, 2010, at 6:09 PM, Girvin R. Herr wrote: > > > Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: >> I just got aware of the open source mechanical CAD project freecad. It hit >> the debian repository a month ago. Although it is still lacking important >> features, much of the basic infrastructure is already

Re: gEDA-user: Eagle to gEDA conversion path??

2010-02-22 Thread Dave N6NZ
anything is write/use a script run inside eagle. That makes a lot of sense, even when the file format *is* well documented. The question is then, how much munging does it take to transmute diptrace ascii exchange format into gEDA stuff. -dave > > On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Dave

Re: gEDA-user: Eagle to gEDA conversion path??

2010-02-22 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Feb 22, 2010, at 9:08 PM, timecop wrote: > Diptrace has a pair of ulp scripts to convert eagle project to ascii > schematic and pcb. OK, although I don't know what either Diptrace or ulp are. Sounds like a good place to start, though. I'm wondering how the library issue would be handled. P

gEDA-user: Eagle to gEDA conversion path??

2010-02-22 Thread Dave N6NZ
Hi, Is there any automated Eagle to gEDA conversion path? (He says hopefully, but knowing it's highly unlikely.) -dave ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: Is it possible to do square holes in PCB?

2010-02-21 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Feb 21, 2010, at 2:01 PM, Mark Rages wrote: > On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Anthony Shanks wrote: >> Some parts have mounting brackets that are square, not round. Yes I >> know I can make a equivalent circlular hole that would fit but it >> wastes a lot of space doing that and it interfere

Re: gEDA-user: Problem With Macports Install

2010-02-16 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Feb 16, 2010, at 7:37 AM, Chris Maness wrote: > > > Would I just download the source myself and compile? > Thanks, > Chris > I recently built pcb from the git repo without issues on 10.6.2. There were a number of dependencies that I had to resolve first -- IIRC they were all docu

Re: gEDA-user: close tracks leaving copper remnant in polygon

2010-02-03 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Feb 3, 2010, at 7:51 PM, Dave N6NZ wrote: > I've got a pcb where close tracks through polygons are leaving thin shards of > copper between tracks. These are 8 mil tracks on a 10 mil grid. Seems to me > these have always been cleared out in the past because they are below min

gEDA-user: close tracks leaving copper remnant in polygon

2010-02-03 Thread Dave N6NZ
I've got a pcb where close tracks through polygons are leaving thin shards of copper between tracks. These are 8 mil tracks on a 10 mil grid. Seems to me these have always been cleared out in the past because they are below minimum copper size, but then again, I usually close space my tracks -

Re: gEDA-user: pcb: All v. Any pin connectivity (was: Taking advantage of internally connected pins)

2010-02-03 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Feb 3, 2010, at 9:59 AM, Peter Clifton wrote: > > The danger comes if you don't populate the switch. This then causes > break in the board connectivity. True enough. But population options are an orthogonal conceptual axis. Not populating the microcontroller causes a loss of functionality,

Re: gEDA-user: pcb: All v. Any pin connectivity

2010-02-03 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Feb 3, 2010, at 7:53 AM, Vanessa Ezekowitz wrote: > On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 06:47:19 -0500 > Ethan Swint wrote: > >> On 02/03/2010 03:33 AM, timecop wrote: At the very least, it seems that there should be a way to specify that "any" pin with the same number satisfies the connection. >

Re: gEDA-user: pcb: All v. Any pin connectivity (was: Taking advantage of internally connected pins)

2010-02-03 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Feb 3, 2010, at 12:33 AM, timecop wrote: >> At the very least, it seems that there should be a way to specify that "any" >> pin with the same number satisfies the connection. > > fairly ridiculous assumption especially with ICs, many of which > specifically say something like "all GND/VCC pa

gEDA-user: pcb: All v. Any pin connectivity (was: Taking advantage of internally connected pins)

2010-02-02 Thread Dave N6NZ
ommand script, although by rights I think it should be an attribute in the footprint. But if there were a way to set an "any connect" flag on selected pins via a script, that seems like a good start. I'm also thinking it might make sense for "any connect" to be the def

Re: gEDA-user: new components

2010-02-02 Thread Dave N6NZ
I find it best(*) in the long run to crank out my own symbols. For things like the PIC, I use a modified version of DJ's djboxsym. I also have a couple of little generator scripts for other parts. -dave * By "best", I mean "best way to get symbols that match my personal taste". On Feb 2, 2

Re: gEDA-user: Confusion about symbol file and footprint file

2010-02-01 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Feb 1, 2010, at 8:42 AM, Luke wrote: > > My questions are: > 1) What is needed to associate a symbol to a footprint when you > drawing the schematic in gschem? Is it a filename? set footprint attribute to the name of the file foo.fp > If so, where does > that file need to be located? I

Re: gEDA-user: Taking advantage of internally connected pins

2010-01-31 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Jan 30, 2010, at 4:00 PM, Ben Jackson wrote: > I need to make a key matrix. I'm considering selecting a switch which > has 4 leads (two leads per internal net): > > o--+--o > ' > / > | > o--+--o > > This appears to be a boon for the grid-style routing I need for the > switch m

Re: gEDA-user: Pin pads on only one side

2010-01-31 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Jan 30, 2010, at 9:21 PM, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: > On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 01:10:28 +, Phil Frost wrote: > >> Is there some way to instruct PCB to put a copper pad for through-hole >> pins only on the bottom of the board? > > No. > This is an aspect of the long standing feature request "us

Re: gEDA-user: Solder Mask Layer

2010-01-28 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Jan 28, 2010, at 4:20 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: > > One of the LF tasks LF? ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: Solder Mask Layer

2010-01-28 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Jan 28, 2010, at 12:46 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: > I've done some hacks that > look for layers named "cmask" or "paste" and just appends those to the > gerbers, but nothing that can be committed. For those of us less familiar with the code, what is the internal design of pcb that forces you to

Re: gEDA-user: Schematic Capture to dxf File - using gEDA, Inkscape, and pstoedit

2010-01-26 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Jan 26, 2010, at 11:25 PM, Bert Timmerman wrote: > > FWIW, There lives a dxf exporter for pcb in a not yet finished state at: > > http://github.com/bert/pcb-dxf-hid Thanks, I wasn't aware of that. -dave ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@mori

Re: gEDA-user: Schematic Capture to dxf File - using gEDA, Inkscape, and pstoedit

2010-01-25 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Jan 24, 2010, at 3:40 PM, d...@umich.edu wrote: > > Dave, > > I have been following the RepRap project with interest. A 3D printer that > anyone can make is a very cool scratch to itch. I am fascinated by the > artwork of the sculpter, Bathsheba Grossman. She really shows what is > possi

Re: gEDA-user: Schematic Capture to dxf File - using gEDA, Inkscape, and pstoedit

2010-01-24 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Jan 24, 2010, at 9:15 AM, John Doty wrote: > > > CO2 is way out in the IR. I guess the way to use it is to vaporize the > resist. Note that black in the visible may not be black at the IR wavelength > in question, and vice-versa Good point... I should have remembered that because I was pa

Re: gEDA-user: Schematic Capture to dxf File - using gEDA, Inkscape, and pstoedit

2010-01-24 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Jan 24, 2010, at 4:43 AM, Bob Paddock wrote: >> CO2 laser is the wrong wavelength to cut metal. Only a couple percent of >> the radiation is absorbed. Great for plastics, though, and many other >> materials. With respect to >PCB etching, one thing I've thought about but >> haven't yet tri

Re: gEDA-user: Schematic Capture to dxf File - using gEDA, Inkscape, and pstoedit

2010-01-23 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Jan 23, 2010, at 3:51 PM, Windell H. Oskay wrote: > We have an Epilog. Low-power lasers of this type cannot cut (or even etch) > copper foil, nor can they cut FR4. > > You can potentially use it to blast away an etch-resist layer, however; I've > seen several examples of this. > Here is on

Re: gEDA-user: Schematic Capture to dxf File - using gEDA, Inkscape, and pstoedit

2010-01-23 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Jan 23, 2010, at 12:10 PM, Bob Paddock wrote: >> Management saw > this: http://www.epiloglaser.com/ at CES and is thinking of spending > money (a rare event) > on one of them. There actually is a lot of industrial related stuff > at the consumer show. I've used modern Epilog machines, and

Re: gEDA-user: Schematic Capture to dxf File - using gEDA, Inkscape, and pstoedit

2010-01-21 Thread Dave N6NZ
ethods on a few of your own pcb images > will give you some ideas. I think creating a backend program that both pcb > and gerbv can use would be a good idea. If the starting point is a .ps file, > then both programs could use the same backend. The postscript file is a kludgy intermediat

Re: gEDA-user: Schematic Capture to dxf File - using gEDA, Inkscape, and pstoedit

2010-01-21 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Jan 21, 2010, at 12:28 PM, Peter Clifton wrote: >> I believe gerbv is the right place for dxf export, since that creates >> a tool that works with any gerber file from any tool. The overall >> tool flow is more logical that way. > > Keep it modular enough, and it could live in PCB as well..

Re: gEDA-user: Schematic Capture to dxf File - using gEDA, Inkscape, and pstoedit

2010-01-21 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Jan 20, 2010, at 11:52 PM, Ben Jackson wrote: > >>> The polygon code is fully generic. It can do what you describe (in fact, >>> it does, it just probably doesn't output in the format you want). >> >> Hmmm well, point me at the code, and I'll have a look at seeing >> what it would take t

Re: gEDA-user: Schematic Capture to dxf File - using gEDA, Inkscape, and pstoedit

2010-01-20 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Jan 20, 2010, at 10:14 PM, Ben Jackson wrote: > On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 09:20:34PM -0800, Dave N6NZ wrote: >> On Jan 20, 2010, at 1:01 PM, Ben Jackson wrote: >>> >>> I have been thinking about how to do improved isolation routing. >> >> How do you di

Re: gEDA-user: Schematic Capture to dxf File - using gEDA, Inkscape, and pstoedit

2010-01-20 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Jan 20, 2010, at 1:01 PM, Ben Jackson wrote: > On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 11:56:25PM -0500, d...@umich.edu wrote: >> >> I just created a thread on cnczone.com, which I want to bring to your >> attention. I titled it, "Schematic Capture to dxf File - using gEDA, >> Inkscape, and pstoedit": > >

Re: gEDA-user: Schematic Capture to dxf File - using gEDA, Inkscape, and pstoedit

2010-01-19 Thread Dave N6NZ
Hmmm... interesting. I gave your post a quick skim, and will have to go back to read it in detail when I have more time. A while back I created a flow to convert the paste layer to laser cutter code for the creation of solder paste stencils. My path was: 1. print .ps from pcb 2. pstoedit to cr

Re: gEDA-user: Slots, Swaps and BSDL files

2010-01-08 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Jan 8, 2010, at 8:57 AM, John Eaton wrote: > >> Pinlabel is for humans, and for hierarchy. Pinseq is a unique >> numerical identifier for the "pin", independent of the footprint if >> any (not all symbols correspond to parts with footprints). >> > So slotting lets the PCB designer exchange

Re: gEDA-user: blue sky ideas - written down finally

2010-01-05 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Jan 5, 2010, at 9:31 AM, DJ Delorie wrote: > >> Can't wait to have that one implemented as it's the one point i >> tripped over with about every software i tried. > > Just to be clear - by writing down my ideas, I do not mean to imply > that I (or anyone else) will actually implement them.

Re: gEDA-user: blue sky ideas - written down finally

2009-12-28 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Dec 28, 2009, at 9:21 AM, Dave McGuire wrote: > > Such repairs would be pretty much impossible without the full > component- and gate-level schematics I have for these machines, of > which this is an example of one page: > > http://www.neurotica.com/misc/kb11c-117.png You misunderst

Re: gEDA-user: blue sky ideas - written down finally

2009-12-27 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Dec 27, 2009, at 8:22 PM, Dave N6NZ wrote: > > On Dec 27, 2009, at 6:00 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: > >> >>> Actually this is starting to sound like embedding a gattrib grid >>> on a sheet some place. >> >> Can gattrib map pins to nets already?

Re: gEDA-user: blue sky ideas - written down finally

2009-12-27 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Dec 27, 2009, at 6:12 PM, gene glick wrote: > DJ Delorie wrote: > >> >> I'm not exactly sure what's best here, but I know it doesn't belong in >> the *gate*. My idea is to have a table object that shows up in the >> schematic, like in a corner or something, that lists all the power >> pins

Re: gEDA-user: blue sky ideas - written down finally

2009-12-27 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Dec 27, 2009, at 6:00 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: > >> Actually this is starting to sound like embedding a gattrib grid >> on a sheet some place. > > Can gattrib map pins to nets already? Well, not that I know of. But having a grid display of row-organized data that captures "interesting st

Re: gEDA-user: blue sky ideas - written down finally

2009-12-27 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Dec 27, 2009, at 2:08 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: > >> User now needs to somehow specify that U01 GND is connected to >> analog ground, U01 V+ and V- to analog power rails. U01 GND, U02 >> GND, U03 GND and U04 GND are connected to digital ground. U02 VCC is >> connected to 5V, U03 VCC3v3 is connec

Re: gEDA-user: blue sky ideas - written down finally

2009-12-27 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Dec 27, 2009, at 9:16 AM, DJ Delorie wrote: > >> On the pin mapping subject I miss an example of the power pins of a >> rail-to-rail opamp, just to nail these troublemakers down as well (sometimes >> I get Vss hitched to ground instead of the negative voltage rail). > > Power pins are not sp

Re: gEDA-user: blue sky ideas - written down finally

2009-12-26 Thread Dave N6NZ
On component databases: Not sure that I have a lot to add, except that when I read it I was looking specifically for the proposed database hookup and found the right answer :) I already have a SQL database for parts, so I'd like to be able to write a quick lib.so in C that hooks up to gschem

Re: gEDA-user: OT: large (29 inch) boards?

2009-12-22 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Dec 22, 2009, at 2:08 PM, phil wrote: > > I'm trying to find a shop that will make 29" long boards. They are > simple 1/16" two layer boards and will have card edge connectors. > > Is there a known vendor for this type of work I suspect any of them can do any board that fits in a panel, a

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