Re: gEDA-user: plugins (was: How can you help...)

2011-09-07 Thread Dan Roganti
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Kai-Martin Knaak <[1]k...@familieknaak.de> wrote: Dan Roganti wrote: > I'll be glad to help anyone in this development group with this > documentation work. I am close to start off a gEDA wikibook ([2]http://en.wikibooks.org). Would yo

Re: gEDA-user: plugins (was: How can you help...)

2011-09-07 Thread Andrew Poelstra
On Wed, Sep 07, 2011 at 10:51:31PM +0200, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: > Dan Roganti wrote: > > > I'll be glad to help anyone in this development group with this > > documentation work. > > I am close to start off a gEDA wikibook (http://en.wikibooks.org). > Would you join the effort? > I'd be happy

Re: gEDA-user: time for a pcb release cycle?

2011-09-07 Thread Peter Clifton
On Wed, 2011-09-07 at 22:47 +0100, Peter Clifton wrote: > On Wed, 2011-09-07 at 10:56 -0700, Colin D Bennett wrote: > > How about this for a solution: > > > > 1. When saving to disk, don't disconnect/reconnect the file watch, > >just leave it connected. However, ignore any file modification

Re: gEDA-user: time for a pcb release cycle?

2011-09-07 Thread Peter Clifton
On Wed, 2011-09-07 at 10:56 -0700, Colin D Bennett wrote: > On Wed, 07 Sep 2011 12:54:27 +0100 I've fixed it now by copying the gedit solution of checking file mtimes on mouse in to the main window. (Should cover most use-cases of the user switching between applications editing the same file). I

Re: gEDA-user: PCB panner control

2011-09-07 Thread Peter C.J. Clifton
On Sep 7 2011, Colin D Bennett wrote: (Actually, I would prefer to stop auto-scroll forever, because it always scrolls when I don't intend it to, and it doesn't work right when I _do_ want it to scroll... I wonder if it can be disabled by setting auto-pan-speed in pcb preferences file to 0... Y

Re: gEDA-user: plugins (was: How can you help...)

2011-09-07 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Dan Roganti wrote: > I'll be glad to help anyone in this development group with this > documentation work. I am close to start off a gEDA wikibook (http://en.wikibooks.org). Would you join the effort? ---<)kaimartin(>--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak Email: k...@familieknaak.de http://pool.sks-keyserver

Re: gEDA-user: Strange user interface behavior with gschem-1.6.2.20110115

2011-09-07 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Josef Wolf wrote: > With this work flow, you'd have as much (or even more) mouse clicks > as without the tool. So what's the point of using the tool if you > have _more_ work with it than without it? I don't seem to have have more work than without it. Benefits: You can zoom way out and still b

Re: gEDA-user: CERN goes for KiCAD

2011-09-07 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
John Griessen wrote: > I bet gEDA seems too complicated. I bet not :-) CERN software engeneers don't fear complexity -- not under the hood, nor on the interface. They strive for elegance and excellent results instead. See the structure and the UI of paw, or root. > The main thing was probab

Re: gEDA-user: Strange user interface behavior with gschem-1.6.2.20110115

2011-09-07 Thread Colin D Bennett
On Wed, 7 Sep 2011 19:12:03 +0200 Josef Wolf wrote: > On Tue, Sep 06, 2011 at 11:27:08AM -0700, Colin D Bennett wrote: > > I have recently started to like the gschem Magnetic Net mode, now that > > I learned to use Ctrl-click to put explicit intermediate points in the > > lines instead of just cl

Re: gEDA-user: time for a pcb release cycle?

2011-09-07 Thread Colin D Bennett
On Wed, 07 Sep 2011 12:54:27 +0100 Peter Clifton wrote: > On Wed, 2011-09-07 at 10:42 +0200, Kovacs Levente wrote: > > Each time I save my layout, a message appears: "layout changed. Do you > > want to load it?" or something like that. > > > > Brr well of couse it changed! I saved it! :-

Re: gEDA-user: PCB panner control

2011-09-07 Thread Colin D Bennett
On Wed, 7 Sep 2011 09:33:12 +0400 Vladimir Zhbanov wrote: > Hello. > I read the main pcb doc and found the section Panner Control. After searching > in the last pcb sources I found no mention of this widget. It seems to be > excluded from the code during transition from Xaw interface to GTK HID i

Re: gEDA-user: plugins (was: How can you help...)

2011-09-07 Thread Dan Roganti
On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 12:13 PM, John Griessen <[1]j...@ecosensory.com> wrote: I can see a core set of plugins shipping with the source, but not all. I don't see it as a big deal though, since if a feature is really "core" it will be in the core, so not shipping plug

Re: gEDA-user: Strange user interface behavior with gschem-1.6.2.20110115

2011-09-07 Thread Dan Roganti
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 6:44 PM, John Doty <[1]j...@noqsi.com> wrote: On Sep 4, 2011, at 2:22 PM, Josef Wolf wrote: > Hello, > > I have a strange usability behavior with gschem 1.6.2.20110115 (the version > that comes with ubuntu-11.04). I have attached a small schematic to

Re: gEDA-user: CERN goes for KiCAD

2011-09-07 Thread John Griessen
On 09/07/2011 09:48 AM, Peter Clifton wrote: I had wondered if part of the reasoning might be that KiCad feels a lot more local to them. (KiCad being a French originated project - CERN being on the French / Swiss border.) That is one thing. Also they stated their wants as "integrated printed c

Re: gEDA-user: Strange user interface behavior with gschem-1.6.2.20110115

2011-09-07 Thread Josef Wolf
On Tue, Sep 06, 2011 at 11:27:08AM -0700, Colin D Bennett wrote: > On Tue, 6 Sep 2011 12:59:39 +0200 > Josef Wolf wrote: > > > On Mon, Sep 05, 2011 at 09:13:06PM +0200, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: > > > > IMHO, this works against user expectation. After all, the whole > > > > point of the circle is t

Re: gEDA-user: CERN goes for KiCAD

2011-09-07 Thread John Hudak
Um, with all due respectI don't consider myself 'simple minded'I am a professional EE, been working in this industry for a 28+ years, and have a few technical advanced degrees.I have both worked in and managed groups of EEs doing state of the art EE research and design. So,

Re: gEDA-user: CERN goes for KiCAD

2011-09-07 Thread Dan Roganti
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 10:08 AM, DJ Delorie <[1]d...@delorie.com> wrote: > you all never worried about cern before? why start now? It's not CERN itself that's the issue, it's that a big organization wanted to help a project, and it wasn't us. The more developers Kicad g

Re: gEDA-user: CERN goes for KiCAD

2011-09-07 Thread Peter Clifton
On Wed, 2011-09-07 at 15:01 +0200, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: > CERN is a missed opportunity. No reason to deny it, no reason to give up, > either. But maybe an occasion to think about the reasons. I had wondered if part of the reasoning might be that KiCad feels a lot more local to them. (KiCad be

Re: gEDA-user: CERN goes for KiCAD

2011-09-07 Thread DJ Delorie
> you all never worried about cern before? why start now? It's not CERN itself that's the issue, it's that a big organization wanted to help a project, and it wasn't us. The more developers Kicad gets, the more users they'll get, which brings in more developers, etc. If we lose developers, we l

Re: gEDA-user: time for a pcb release cycle?

2011-09-07 Thread DJ Delorie
> Orthogonal moves doesn't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/pcb/+bug/699202 I worked on this for a while last week, it's *really* hard to get this right as a separate flag because of the way the "tools" are implemented. There's no easy way to tell when to reset the origin, or when to apply o

Re: gEDA-user: CERN goes for KiCAD

2011-09-07 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
John Hudak wrote: > Anyway, I switched to using KiCAD and it was like going from driving a FIAT > stick to driving a 911 stick. Just a head-up note: When I tried kicad a few months back, I felt the exact opposite. I just did not seem to get anywhere with a little test project. Of course this is

Re: gEDA-user: CERN goes for KiCAD

2011-09-07 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
John Hudak wrote: > Anyway, I switched to using KiCAD and it was like going from driving a FIAT > stick to driving a 911 stick... Please elaborate on this one. What exactly constituted the difference that made you feel like that? You already told us about the library/M4 thing. But there was cert

Re: gEDA-user: CERN goes for KiCAD

2011-09-07 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Steve Meier wrote: > you all never worried about cern before? why start now? better to just > keep focused on your current customers then unknown future additional > users. For what its worth: Yes, I am worried about geda not being the preferred EDA tool in a scientific environment, becausethis i

Re: gEDA-user: CERN goes for KiCAD

2011-09-07 Thread Stefan Salewski
Hello John, I am really happy (and a bit of surprised) that critical postings are still allowed for this list. On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 22:07 -0400, John Hudak wrote: > You might want to consider import/export capability for the most widely >used commercial product (not sure what that is at the

Re: gEDA-user: time for a pcb release cycle?

2011-09-07 Thread Peter Clifton
On Wed, 2011-09-07 at 10:42 +0200, Kovacs Levente wrote: > Each time I save my layout, a message appears: "layout changed. Do you > want to load it?" or something like that. > > Brr well of couse it changed! I saved it! :-) Ok, I know it is a good > feature... Yes - it turns out that my c

Re: gEDA-user: CERN goes for KiCAD

2011-09-07 Thread Steve Meier
you all never worried about cern before? why start now? better to just keep focused on your current customers then unknown future additional users. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-us

Re: gEDA-user: time for a pcb release cycle?

2011-09-07 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
DJ Delorie wrote: > Also, please try the windows installer nightly builds: > http://www.delorie.com/pcb/geda-windows/ > This afternoon I talked one of the PhD students into trying the nightly build on her WinXP dexktop. The pcb binary loaded fine and looked good with the new layer selection box a

Re: gEDA-user: CERN goes for KiCAD

2011-09-07 Thread John Hudak
You might want to consider import/export capability for the most widely used commercial product (not sure what that is at the moment). You may want to consider the following as well: 1) An updated tutorial that is accurate (IIRC, last edit is 2007, a bit long in the tooth, not to men

Re: gEDA-user: time for a pcb release cycle?

2011-09-07 Thread Kovacs Levente
On Tue, 6 Sep 2011 21:04:03 -0400 DJ Delorie wrote: > At this time, I'd like to ask folks to try the git head PCB and see if > there are any bugs that must be fixed for this release, and/or work on Orthogonal moves doesn't work and sometimes some menu items in the GTK hid doesn't work. It mi

Re: gEDA-user: time for a pcb release cycle?

2011-09-07 Thread Kovacs Levente
Each time I save my layout, a message appears: "layout changed. Do you want to load it?" or something like that. Brr well of couse it changed! I saved it! :-) Ok, I know it is a good feature... -- Kovacs Levente Voice: +36705071002 ___ ged

Re: gEDA-user: time for a pcb release cycle?

2011-09-07 Thread Kovacs Levente
On Tue, 6 Sep 2011 21:04:03 -0400 DJ Delorie wrote: When you do "save buffer elements to file" and you point the chooser to an existing file, pcb exits with this message: ** Gtk:ERROR:/build/buildd/gtk+2.0-2.20.1/gtk/gtkfilechooserdefault.c:8125:get_display_name_from_file_list: assertion failed