Re: gEDA-user: PCB: option dumpmenu missing

2011-05-31 Thread Felix Ruoff
Thanks for your reply! Am 01.06.2011 00:51, schrieb Kai-Martin Knaak: Second thing: In the list of HIDs (line 311-323 of your patch) is the gcode-HID missing. The gcode HID is pretty new. First time I see it mentioned in the mailing list is november 2009. Seems like it had not made it to the re

Re: gEDA-user: Jumpers on single layer PCBs

2011-05-31 Thread John Griessen
On 05/31/2011 04:26 PM, Thomas Oldbury wrote: Double sided boards are great, but not so great when the product is supposed to cost only $3/each What you really want is the high volume technique of using carbon conductive ink traces and insulating layers silk screened on and single copper FR

Re: gEDA-user: Jumpers on single layer PCBs

2011-05-31 Thread John Griessen
On 05/31/2011 04:26 PM, Thomas Oldbury wrote: Double sided boards are great, but not so great when the product is supposed to cost only $3/each, after an MSP430, mains power supply, heatsink, triac etc. You seem to have BOM'd out on that product...

Re: gEDA-user: Fixing the attribute censorship bug

2011-05-31 Thread John Doty
On May 31, 2011, at 11:02 PM, Peter Brett wrote: The attached script not only emits a message, but substitutes "attribute_conflict" for the attribute in question. Since that's not normally a legitimate value, it should help the user to detect the problem. From my pe

Re: gEDA-user: Task list for: Solving the light/heavy symbol problem

2011-05-31 Thread DJ Delorie
> We'll have to be careful to make this transparent to the user. Yes, this is the tricky part. I suspect we'd need "standard names" for various fields, for example the search fields Digikey uses, and figure out some backend rules for how various database chunks are merged, etc. But from the use

Re: gEDA-user: PCB: option dumpmenu missing

2011-05-31 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Felix Ruoff wrote: > First thing: The patch does not apply to my git repository :-(. :-| > Do you > have an actualized version of this patch, that fit to actual git head? No. I did not touch the subject since last year. > Second thing: In the list of HIDs (line 311-323 of your patch) is t

Re: gEDA-user: Task list for: Solving the light/heavy symbol problem

2011-05-31 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
DJ Delorie wrote: > >> I will put together such a combined symbol and footprint lib >> in my section of gedasymbols. May take about a week or so. > > Excellent! Thanks! After I skipped through what needs to be done, I have to admit that it will take a bit longer. > Hmmm... I don't think

Re: gEDA-user: Jumpers on single layer PCBs

2011-05-31 Thread Colin D Bennett
On Wed, 1 Jun 2011 07:29:33 +1000 Stephen Ecob wrote: > On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 6:59 AM, Thomas Oldbury > wrote: > >   Oh. Thanks anyway. Any hack-ish way to add this in? (Because I'd > > like each jumper to have a refdes and BOM entry if possible.) > > The hack I use for solder jumpers is to ma

Re: gEDA-user: Jumpers on single layer PCBs

2011-05-31 Thread Steven Michalske
Can you still get single sided FR2? On May 31, 2011, at 2:26 PM, Thomas Oldbury wrote: > Double sided boards are great, but not so great when the product is > supposed to cost only $3/each, after an MSP430, mains power supply, > heatsink, triac etc. > > On 31 May 2011 22:09, Levente

Re: gEDA-user: Jumpers on single layer PCBs

2011-05-31 Thread Stephen Ecob
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 6:59 AM, Thomas Oldbury wrote: >   Oh. Thanks anyway. Any hack-ish way to add this in? (Because I'd like >   each jumper to have a refdes and BOM entry if possible.) The hack I use for solder jumpers is to make a footprint that is open circuit, and bridge where needed with

Re: gEDA-user: Jumpers on single layer PCBs

2011-05-31 Thread Thomas Oldbury
Double sided boards are great, but not so great when the product is supposed to cost only $3/each, after an MSP430, mains power supply, heatsink, triac etc. On 31 May 2011 22:09, Levente Kovacs <[1]leventel...@gmail.com> wrote: On Tue, 31 May 2011 21:59:04 +0100 Thomas Oldbury <

Re: gEDA-user: Jumpers on single layer PCBs

2011-05-31 Thread Russell Dill
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Levente Kovacs wrote: > On Tue, 31 May 2011 21:59:04 +0100 > Thomas Oldbury wrote: > >> Oh. Thanks anyway. Any hack-ish way to add this in? (Because I'd like >> each jumper to have a refdes and BOM entry if possible.) > > What I'd do is define a copper layer. Draw

Re: gEDA-user: Jumpers on single layer PCBs

2011-05-31 Thread Levente Kovacs
On Tue, 31 May 2011 21:59:04 +0100 Thomas Oldbury wrote: > Oh. Thanks anyway. Any hack-ish way to add this in? (Because I'd like > each jumper to have a refdes and BOM entry if possible.) What I'd do is define a copper layer. Draw your jumpers on the that layer. Don't send the layer data to the

Re: gEDA-user: Two things ... or actually, three

2011-05-31 Thread Russell Dill
> To my knowledge this is not the case right now. Of course the pin numbers > should not be shown on the schematics: they would use up too much schematics > real estate and are not interesting anyway (even relatively simple and cheap > FPGA devices like XC3S700A has 88 power pins in the 256 pins BG

Re: gEDA-user: Jumpers on single layer PCBs

2011-05-31 Thread DJ Delorie
> Oh. Thanks anyway. Any hack-ish way to add this in? (Because I'd like each > jumper to have a refdes and BOM entry if possible.) Put them in the schematics :-) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/l

Re: gEDA-user: Jumpers on single layer PCBs

2011-05-31 Thread Thomas Oldbury
Oh. Thanks anyway. Any hack-ish way to add this in? (Because I'd like each jumper to have a refdes and BOM entry if possible.) On 31 May 2011 21:44, DJ Delorie <[1]d...@delorie.com> wrote: > Does PCB have any support for adding jumper components, where the > pins would essentially

Re: gEDA-user: Jumpers on single layer PCBs

2011-05-31 Thread DJ Delorie
> Does PCB have any support for adding jumper components, where the > pins would essentially be shorted (the same net) but physically > separate? Not really. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listi

Re: gEDA-user: Perl

2011-05-31 Thread Thomas Oldbury
Python! On 31 May 2011 11:26, Jim Lynch <[1]j...@k4gvo.com> wrote: On 05/27/2011 11:54 AM, DJ Delorie wrote: This is more anecdotal than anything else... I'm a Perl fan myself. (shudder) Javascript! ___ geda-user

gEDA-user: Jumpers on single layer PCBs

2011-05-31 Thread Thomas Oldbury
Presently I use a second layer (such as a "jumper" layer) to draw on jumpers for single layer FR4 PCBs, however this is cumbersome; and it doesn't support zero ohm SMT resistors. Does PCB have any support for adding jumper components, where the pins would essentially be shorted (the

Re: gEDA-user: Two things ... or actually, three

2011-05-31 Thread Peter Clifton
On Mon, 2011-05-30 at 22:59 +0200, Richard Rasker wrote: > Um, OK ... but somehow, my older xgsch2pcb (or perhaps just the older > PCB build) doesn't recognize the layout file edited with the newer PCB > version any more. As a result, I haven't succeeded in updating any > changes in my schematic i

Re: gEDA-user: Two things ... or actually, three

2011-05-31 Thread Peter Clifton
On Mon, 2011-05-30 at 23:34 +0200, Richard Rasker wrote: > It compiled OK after installing a bunch of dependencies, but I can't > recall at all whether dbus was enabled or not. By the looks of it, I > didn't use git, so I guess dbus is switched off. Is there a way to check > if it is enabled? xgs

Re: gEDA-user: guile under minipack?

2011-05-31 Thread DJ Delorie
Hmmm... what autoconf did your autoreconf use? # Generated by GNU Autoconf 2.66 for guile 1.8.7. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: Fixing the attribute censorship bug

2011-05-31 Thread DJ Delorie
> From my perspective, I don't understand why this is better. 1.7.0 warns > about undefined behaviour, and defaults to backwards-compatibility > (which makes some sense IMHO). This script deliberately poisons the > netlist. In my ideal world (haha) gnetlist would generate errors on > attribute

Re: gEDA-user: gnetlist (was: Perl)

2011-05-31 Thread DJ Delorie
> Why have a core at all? One of the issues with the current gnetlist > is that it cannot be ported to a different Scheme implementation, > because the core is Guile-specific. Why not start from Scheme > functions for reading/writing .sch format? I never said the core had to be C, but given we al

Re: gEDA-user: gnetlist

2011-05-31 Thread DJ Delorie
> so, "load the design files as raw data" seems to mean so that the > same input could be recreated from the internal data representation. Well, assuming we actually record *all* the data. My point was, whatever data we care about, we do the least amount of processing on, unless the backend asks

Re: gEDA-user: Two things ... or actually, three

2011-05-31 Thread DJ Delorie
> Do I understand correctly that heavy symbols basically have certain nets > with predefined names (e.g. VCC, GND) implicitly included, whereas light > symbols offer the pins to connect those nets oneself? The difference between light and heavy is specificity. A light resistor, for example, is j

Re: gEDA-user: Two things ... or actually, three

2011-05-31 Thread Colin D Bennett
On Tue, 31 May 2011 05:09:25 +0200 Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: > Richard Rasker wrote: > > > OK, I'll start by reading up on the light vs. heavy symbol > > discussions. Do I understand correctly that heavy symbols basically > > have certain nets with predefined names (e.g. VCC, GND) implicitly > > i

Re: gEDA-user: pcjc2 tessellation

2011-05-31 Thread Colin D Bennett
On Mon, 30 May 2011 10:49:54 +0100 Peter Clifton wrote: > On Mon, 2011-05-30 at 09:37 +0200, Gabriel Paubert wrote: > > > > > Think i know now. Polygons can't have edges that cross other > > > > edges. > > > > > > You got it.. PCB doesn't allow self intersecting polygons, so I > > > removed sup

Re: gEDA-user: Fixing the attribute censorship bug

2011-05-31 Thread Peter Brett
> The attached script not only emits a message, but substitutes > "attribute_conflict" for the attribute in question. Since that's not > normally a legitimate value, it should help the user to detect the > problem. >From my perspective, I don't understand why this is better. 1.7.0 warns about un

Re: gEDA-user: Darter - SPICE based IBIS modelling tool

2011-05-31 Thread Andy Fierman
Oh, yes. We like this! Cheers,          Andy. signality.co.uk On 31 May 2011 07:11, Russell Dill wrote: > As edge rates increase, signal intergrity (SI) becomes more and more > important, even for the hobbyist. Unfortunately, the models provided > by semiconductor vendors typically come in o

Re: gEDA-user: gnetlist

2011-05-31 Thread Ethan Swint
On 05/30/2011 09:35 PM, John Doty wrote: On May 31, 2011, at 6:35 AM, John Griessen wrote: I'd like the first definition of what gnetlist does be, "Output any data it takes in, in the same format, with lost spatial position information allowed, but keeping all other data intact." I think the

Re: gEDA-user: Perl

2011-05-31 Thread Jim Lynch
On 05/27/2011 11:54 AM, DJ Delorie wrote: This is more anecdotal than anything else... I'm a Perl fan myself. (shudder) Javascript! ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: Two things ... or actually, three

2011-05-31 Thread Gabriel Paubert
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 05:09:25AM +0200, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: > Richard Rasker wrote: > > > OK, I'll start by reading up on the light vs. heavy symbol discussions. > > Do I understand correctly that heavy symbols basically have certain nets > > with predefined names (e.g. VCC, GND) implicitly