Re: gEDA-user: rant: pcb print from command line

2010-03-09 Thread Dan McMahill
Bob Paddock wrote: fwiw, there is a pcb-bugs mailing list with only me as the subscriber. Of course in all fairness, that list didn't exist yesterday ;) That list will get all new bug reports and updates to existing reports. Don't see it listed at any of these seemingly likely places: http://

Re: gEDA-user: geda-user Digest, Vol 46, Issue 27

2010-03-09 Thread Stephen Ecob
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 8:44 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: [...] > Committed, thanks! Thank you :) Steve ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: rant: pcb print from command line

2010-03-09 Thread Bob Paddock
> fwiw, there is a pcb-bugs mailing list with only me as the subscriber. Of > course in all fairness, that list didn't exist yesterday ;)  That list will > get all new bug reports and updates to existing reports. Don't see it listed at any of these seemingly likely places: http://www.gpleda.org/m

Re: gEDA-user: geda-user Digest, Vol 46, Issue 27

2010-03-09 Thread DJ Delorie
> Here's an updated patch that uses Manhattan distance instead - for the > tiny lengths involved it should be fine. Committed, thanks! ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: rant: pcb print from command line

2010-03-09 Thread Dan McMahill
Duncan Drennan wrote: If the senior developers are fed projects and requirements, suitably discussed and planned, they'd be more likely to work on them. We currently work on our own desires because we know what we want, to solve our problems. That sounds nice, but the reality is quite differen

Re: gEDA-user: rant: pcb print from command line

2010-03-09 Thread Dan McMahill
Peter Clifton wrote: On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 19:20 +, Gareth Edwards wrote: If we want to trial this model, I'm personally happy to become one of the "second-class developers" as Kai-Martin put it - to do some patch triage for gEDA tools in general, not just pcb. Sure! These things typical

Re: gEDA-user: rant: pcb print from command line

2010-03-09 Thread Dan McMahill
DJ Delorie wrote: So what can we do? How can we get people with *less* experience more involved in solving this problem? Grow them? That is, introduce a group of second class developers. I don't think, this will work. The real work is to decide whether or not a patch actually improves the co

Re: gEDA-user: Open Source mechanical CAD on the horizon

2010-03-09 Thread DJ Delorie
One of my long-term projects is to add layer types to layers, and allow for sub-circuits (i.e. elements). Then we'd have a true paste layer, and you could define elements as complexly as you need. But it's been on the list for a long time, and hasn't happened yet :-( __

Re: gEDA-user: Open Source mechanical CAD on the horizon

2010-03-09 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Mar 9, 2010, at 4:01 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: > >> is that true? Is it simply generated on the fly off the pad >> information during gerber export? > > That's true. Just in case anyone is confused by the tight snippage: It is true that there is no "real" paste layer, it is generated on the fl

Re: gEDA-user: Open Source mechanical CAD on the horizon

2010-03-09 Thread DJ Delorie
> is that true? Is it simply generated on the fly off the pad > information during gerber export? That's true. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: Open Source mechanical CAD on the horizon

2010-03-09 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Mar 9, 2010, at 3:33 PM, Peter Clifton wrote: > On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 18:27 -0500, Dan McMahill wrote: >> pstoedit converts postscript to various formats. So I suppose you could >> try pcb export to postscript and then pstoedit to produce dxf. That >> said, there are always issues with fil

Re: gEDA-user: Open Source mechanical CAD on the horizon

2010-03-09 Thread Dave N6NZ
Well, for one thing, dxflib is rock solid, and pstoedit was broken in many ways the last time I tried to use it. -dave On Mar 9, 2010, at 2:48 PM, Windell H. Oskay wrote: > Doesn't pstoedit already do this, too? > > http://www.pstoedit.net/ > > Are there advantages to these custom versions? >

Re: gEDA-user: Open Source mechanical CAD on the horizon

2010-03-09 Thread Peter Clifton
On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 18:27 -0500, Dan McMahill wrote: > pstoedit converts postscript to various formats. So I suppose you could > try pcb export to postscript and then pstoedit to produce dxf. That > said, there are always issues with file conversions and I suspect you're > much better off le

Re: gEDA-user: Open Source mechanical CAD on the horizon

2010-03-09 Thread Dan McMahill
pstoedit converts postscript to various formats. So I suppose you could try pcb export to postscript and then pstoedit to produce dxf. That said, there are always issues with file conversions and I suspect you're much better off letting pcb directly produce dxf. But it may just work. Winde

Re: gEDA-user: Open Source mechanical CAD on the horizon

2010-03-09 Thread Windell H. Oskay
Doesn't pstoedit already do this, too? http://www.pstoedit.net/ Are there advantages to these custom versions? >> I've wrote some C++ code to convert a DXF to PCB. It is in "works for >> me" >> state. >> >> Levente > > I've written one as well, in the same state. > > http://vivara.net/software/d

Re: gEDA-user: Open Source mechanical CAD on the horizon

2010-03-09 Thread Mark Rages
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Levente Kovacs wrote: > On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 01:58:18 + > Peter Clifton wrote: > >> I met with the LiquidPCB developer today, and he's been working on a >> STEP importer.. so there might be some possible overlap there. >> >> He also mentioned that he has a DXF o

Re: gEDA-user: Open Source mechanical CAD on the horizon

2010-03-09 Thread Levente Kovacs
On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 01:58:18 + Peter Clifton wrote: > I met with the LiquidPCB developer today, and he's been working on a > STEP importer.. so there might be some possible overlap there. > > He also mentioned that he has a DXF outline -> (geda-)PCB converter, > which he would make available

Re: gEDA-user: rant: pcb print from command line

2010-03-09 Thread Frank Bergmann
Am 08.03.2010 23:11, schrieb Jared Casper: I think your email is a great response to KMK and loads better than ignoring it, saying "I'm busy," or even applying it without being happy with it. I don't think it is inappropriate for devs to require contributors to follow guidelines and a certain s

Re: gEDA-user: new components

2010-03-09 Thread Levente Kovacs
Hi, I have a bunch of symbols here: http://logonex.eu/git/?p=svn.git;a=tree;f=gschem-sym;h=a684be6d0dc98a94e7d8ea092972e18f4a9cdce4;hb=90743ea21068a0c473ce71da1fd457353310ccf4 and a bunch of footprints here: ttp://logonex.eu/git/?p=svn.git;a=tree;f=levalib;h=f13a688b8f588acff7f081ac95999259bb0

Re: gEDA-user: Native Mac OS X?

2010-03-09 Thread Dave McGuire
On Mar 8, 2010, at 3:20 PM, Steven Michalske wrote: My statement was that you as a user should not override the setting that the computer configured for you. ...assuming the people who wrote that part of the OS did it right. I'm willing to bet I've been using (and programming) X longer

Re: gEDA-user: rant: pcb print from command line

2010-03-09 Thread Peter Clifton
On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 19:20 +, Gareth Edwards wrote: > If we want to trial this model, I'm personally happy to become one of > the "second-class developers" as Kai-Martin put it - to do some patch > triage for gEDA tools in general, not just pcb. Sure! These things typically evolve anyway..

Re: gEDA-user: rant: pcb print from command line

2010-03-09 Thread Peter Clifton
On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 21:33 +0200, Duncan Drennan wrote: > > If the senior developers are fed projects and requirements, suitably > > discussed and planned, they'd be more likely to work on them. We > > currently work on our own desires because we know what we want, to > > solve our problems. > >

Re: gEDA-user: rant: pcb print from command line

2010-03-09 Thread DJ Delorie
> That sounds nice, but the reality is quite different (understandably). > Firstly, who feeds the projects and requirements to the developers? > Secondly, raising ideas for discussion often ends (quickly) in the > comment, "If you want it, just develop it yourself." In practice > developers work o

Re: gEDA-user: rant: pcb print from command line

2010-03-09 Thread Duncan Drennan
> If the senior developers are fed projects and requirements, suitably > discussed and planned, they'd be more likely to work on them.  We > currently work on our own desires because we know what we want, to > solve our problems. That sounds nice, but the reality is quite different (understandably

Re: gEDA-user: rant: pcb print from command line

2010-03-09 Thread Gareth Edwards
On 9 March 2010 18:23, DJ Delorie wrote: > >> If developer cycles is the bottle neck, the only solution is to >> increase the number of active developers. > > That's what I'm trying to do - both reduce the bottleneck, and make it > easier to add more developers. > >From my perspective, DJ is on t

Re: gEDA-user: rant: pcb print from command line

2010-03-09 Thread DJ Delorie
> > So what can we do? How can we get people with *less* experience > > more involved in solving this problem? > > Grow them? > That is, introduce a group of second class developers. I don't > think, this will work. The real work is to decide whether or not a > patch actually improves the code

Re: gEDA-user: Screenshots on www.gpleda.org/

2010-03-09 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 23:05:57 +, Peter Clifton wrote: > Tips for that scalling.. I've foudn that using gimp with the "Sinc > (Lanczos3)" interpolation seems to give good results on images with fine > line detail. Nice to know. I gave up on gschem previews because of most lines just vanished.

Re: gEDA-user: rant: pcb print from command line

2010-03-09 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 21:30:39 +, Peter Clifton wrote: > Some developers - like (sorry to say, I'm speaking purely for myself > here), are damned right lazy, and sometimes need a little cajoling to > get things done. Well, that's why I brought up the subject twice on this list. > Getting pat

Re: gEDA-user: rant: pcb print from command line

2010-03-09 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 15:10:09 -0500, DJ Delorie wrote: > I agree that PCB needs more grunt work from the (we) primary developers. (...) > So what can we do? How can we get people with *less* experience more > involved in solving this problem? Grow them? Honestly. Developers don't emerge fully ad

Re: gEDA-user: Screenshots on www.gpleda.org/

2010-03-09 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 23:05:57 +, Peter Clifton wrote: > Tips for that scalling.. I've foudn that using gimp with the "Sinc > (Lanczos3)" interpolation seems to give good results on images with fine > line detail. Good to know. I stopped putting PNGs of gschem schematics on our internal wiki w

Re: gEDA-user: Assembly drawing

2010-03-09 Thread Peter Clifton
On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 12:59 +, andrew whyte wrote: > Thanks for the advice guys. I didn't realise that I could toggle the > visibility of the reference designators. I only realised it after having spent a decent time coding up a feature to switch them on / off, then found existing code in pla

Re: gEDA-user: gEDA user: gnetlist -gdrc buffer overflow and gnetlist -gspice-sdb killed

2010-03-09 Thread Peter Clifton
On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 12:26 -0300, Facundo Ferrer wrote: > Hi Peter, >Thanks for your time. I'll try to rewrite the gnetlist but not now. I >have to finish my thesis so I have to use the university provided >software. If you're anything like me.. sitting down to write your thesis will

Re: gEDA-user: postscript file fontsize

2010-03-09 Thread Peter Clifton
On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 16:16 +0100, Stefan Salewski wrote: > On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 16:01 +0100, Piter_ wrote: > > Hi all. > > How can I increase fontsize in gschem? If I make a ps file from > > schematics I have to zoom on part of it to be able to read values of > > components. > > Thanks > > Petro.

Re: gEDA-user: Assembly drawing

2010-03-09 Thread Peter Clifton
On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 09:28 +, Peter TB Brett wrote: > On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 09:18:38 +, andrew whyte wrote: > > Ah... sounds like you've got it. > > > > The layout is too dense for a silk component refdeses. I hadn't > > thought of setting up an assemly only layer. Can I move the silk >

Re: gEDA-user: gEDA user: gnetlist -gdrc buffer overflow and gnetlist -gspice-sdb killed

2010-03-09 Thread Facundo Ferrer
Hi Peter, Thanks for your time. I'll try to rewrite the gnetlist but not now. I have to finish my thesis so I have to use the university provided software. Thanks all. On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 6:40 AM, Peter TB Brett <[1]pe...@peter-b.co.uk> wrote: On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 20:32

Re: gEDA-user: Assembly drawing

2010-03-09 Thread andrew whyte
Thanks for the advice guys. I didn't realise that I could toggle the visibility of the reference designators. I will turn them off - thanks Peter, I only need to give the manufacturer a pdf (printable from ps), so it should be fairly easy to turn them on and export an assembly drawing then turn t

Re: gEDA-user: PCB Bugmail

2010-03-09 Thread Peter Clifton
On Mon, 2010-03-08 at 19:56 -0500, Jim wrote: > So you are saying you get a email when a bug is opened but not when a > change is made? For gEDA/gaf stuff, yes. Gerbv emails for every change. I don't "think" PCB has a mailing list for bug traffic. -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Divi

Re: gEDA-user: postscript file fontsize

2010-03-09 Thread Stefan Salewski
On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 16:01 +0100, Piter_ wrote: > Hi all. > How can I increase fontsize in gschem? If I make a ps file from > schematics I have to zoom on part of it to be able to read values of > components. > Thanks > Petro. > OK, Peter Clifton already answered your question... But for me you

Re: gEDA-user: postscript file fontsize

2010-03-09 Thread Peter Clifton
On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 16:01 +0100, Piter_ wrote: > Hi all. > How can I increase fontsize in gschem? If I make a ps file from > schematics I have to zoom on part of it to be able to read values of > components. > Thanks > Petro. Edit the text by selecting it, and typing "ex". Increase the font size

gEDA-user: postscript file fontsize

2010-03-09 Thread Piter_
Hi all. How can I increase fontsize in gschem? If I make a ps file from schematics I have to zoom on part of it to be able to read values of components. Thanks Petro. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailma

Re: gEDA-user: gEDA user: gnetlist -gdrc buffer overflow and gnetlist -gspice-sdb killed

2010-03-09 Thread Peter TB Brett
On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 20:32:01 -0300, Facundo Ferrer wrote: > When I ran on this server gnetlist alloc more than 95% of the RAM and at > this point started to swap and when all the swap was allocated the 'top' > command is not refreshed properly and I have a hard work trying to stop > gnetlist. > I

Re: gEDA-user: Assembly drawing

2010-03-09 Thread Peter TB Brett
On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 09:18:38 +, andrew whyte wrote: > Ah... sounds like you've got it. > > The layout is too dense for a silk component refdeses. I hadn't > thought of setting up an assemly only layer. Can I move the silk > refdeses to this layer? Using select and Shift+M doesn't work. >

Re: gEDA-user: Assembly drawing

2010-03-09 Thread andrew whyte
Ah... sounds like you've got it. The layout is too dense for a silk component refdeses. I hadn't thought of setting up an assemly only layer. Can I move the silk refdeses to this layer? Using select and Shift+M doesn't work. On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 9:02 AM, timecop wrote: > um, you should

Re: gEDA-user: Assembly drawing

2010-03-09 Thread timecop
um, you should have component refdes near the component on the silk level. if you have some more complicated assembly-related instructions (outline of big component, keep-out area, etc) they should go in assembly layer. why do you have refdes outside of the board from beginning? On Tue, Mar 9, 20

gEDA-user: Assembly drawing

2010-03-09 Thread andrew whyte
It seems that there must be a more elegant way of doing what I'm trying to do in PCB. So I thought I'd ask. I have a layout, that I have moved component idents away from the components, (for simplicity & space), the manufacturer still needs to know which component to put where and has asked