On Sun, 8 Nov 2009, Basile STARYNKEVITCH wrote:
>> All of which terribly reminds me of the painful (for end users, ISVs,
>> IHVs, OSVs,...) situation we have with the Linux kernel and out-of-tree
>> modules.
> I do agree with the similarity. But is that situation [of today's linux
> kernel modul
Gerald Pfeifer wrote:
On Sun, 8 Nov 2009, Joern Rennecke wrote:
With a plugin, the developer can simply point the user at the place where
he can download the plugin for his current version, and we can get quick
feedback on the usefulness of the new optimization.
Except that, based on what Rich
Quoting Richard Guenther :
It's not that simple if you are not suggesting that all plugin development
will happen against a stable branch. And even then the plugin binary
needs an exactly mathching gcc version - how do you suppose the user
will get that? By compiling both itself or by the devel
On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 10:13 PM, Gerald Pfeifer wrote:
> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009, Joern Rennecke wrote:
>> With a plugin, the developer can simply point the user at the place where
>> he can download the plugin for his current version, and we can get quick
>> feedback on the usefulness of the new optim
On Sun, 8 Nov 2009, Joern Rennecke wrote:
> With a plugin, the developer can simply point the user at the place where
> he can download the plugin for his current version, and we can get quick
> feedback on the usefulness of the new optimization.
Except that, based on what Richard and Basile discu
On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 10:03 PM, Richard Guenther
wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 9:47 PM, Joern Rennecke wrote:
>> Quoting Richard Guenther :
>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Terrence Miller
>>
>> ...
For example, as far as I know, no common Linux distribution provides a
pac
On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 9:47 PM, Joern Rennecke wrote:
> Quoting Richard Guenther :
>
>> On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Terrence Miller
>
> ...
>>>
>>> For example, as far as I know, no common Linux distribution provides a
>>> package for any kind of GCC branch. I believe (perhaps I am too
>>> opt
Quoting Richard Guenther :
On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Terrence Miller
...
For example, as far as I know, no common Linux distribution provides a
package for any kind of GCC branch. I believe (perhaps I am too optimistic)
that some Linux distributions will package some few GCC plugins.
Y
IDE projects are an example of development that could make good use of a
plugin that might never be integrated in the
compiler, indeed shouldn't ever be integrated in the compiler.
Terrence Miller
Richard Guenther wrote:
Basile STARYNKEVITCH wrote:
Terren
On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Terrence Miller wrote:
> < Forwarded due to missing address>
>
> Original Message
> Subject: Re: new plugin events
> Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:25:21 +0100
> From: Basile STARYNKEVITCH
> To: Te
< Forwarded due to missing address>
Original Message
Subject: Re: new plugin events
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:25:21 +0100
From: Basile STARYNKEVITCH
To: Terrence Miller
References: <4ae72a4f.8000...@starynkevitch.net>
<4af28075.7020...@st
> Zbigniew Chamski
> Subject: Re: new plugin events
>
> Richard Guenther wrote:
> > On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Grigori Fursin
> > wrote:
> >> Hi Basile et al,
> >>
> >>> My suggestion to ICI friends is : just propose quickly your needed plu
Richard Guenther wrote:
On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Grigori Fursin wrote:
Hi Basile et al,
My suggestion to ICI friends is : just propose quickly your needed plugin
events, and make
your ICI a GPLv3 plugin.
When you can show that your ICI plugin to an *unmodified* gcc-4.5 brings some
va
...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 3:06 PM
> To: Grigori Fursin
> Cc: Basile STARYNKEVITCH; Steven Bosscher; Diego Novillo; Rafael Espindola;
> gcc; Joern
> Rennecke; Zbigniew Chamski
> Subject: Re: new plugin events
>
> On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 1:24 PM,
On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Grigori Fursin wrote:
> Hi Basile et al,
>
>> My suggestion to ICI friends is : just propose quickly your needed plugin
>> events, and make
>> your ICI a GPLv3 plugin.
>> When you can show that your ICI plugin to an *unmodified* gcc-4.5 brings
>> some value, GCC
>
Hi Basile et al,
> My suggestion to ICI friends is : just propose quickly your needed plugin
> events, and make
> your ICI a GPLv3 plugin.
> When you can show that your ICI plugin to an *unmodified* gcc-4.5 brings some
> value, GCC
> people will perhaps start to
> listen and look inside.
Just t
Steven Bosscher wrote:
On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Basile STARYNKEVITCH
wrote:
Richard Guenther wrote:
Ah, you mean like doing the tuples conversion as plugin? Or to
build the cgraph infrastructure and IPA optimization infrastructure
as plugin? I guess what you say is - "stop developing
On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Basile STARYNKEVITCH
wrote:
> Richard Guenther wrote:
>> Ah, you mean like doing the tuples conversion as plugin? Or to
>> build the cgraph infrastructure and IPA optimization infrastructure
>> as plugin? I guess what you say is - "stop developing gcc! develop
>
rent
one.. [I have no idea if this is true or not, and most importantly, there are a lot of different but valid points of
view.]. Why could we let them experiment inside a plugin if that required only a few more PLUGIN_* events? Very
probably, nobody looked precisely inside their branch!
So in
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