Re: Release Schedule issues and doubts

2006-06-04 Thread Andrew Pinski
On Jun 4, 2006, at 1:43 PM, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: The trouble is there does not seem to be a clear gain in your punishment system. At best it may just discourage people. In a commercial organization, that might be a good system. For a free project like GCC, it is not obvious where the long-

Re: Release Schedule issues and doubts

2006-06-04 Thread Andrew Pinski
On Jun 4, 2006, at 1:52 PM, Mike Stump wrote: A wiki page of top regressions we care about? We could politely request general agreement that the ones listed be given priority. There is already a link from the main page of GCC to the regressions and they are given priorities by the release ma

Re: Release Schedule issues and doubts

2006-06-04 Thread Mike Stump
On Jun 4, 2006, at 1:11 PM, Andrew Pinski wrote: Yes but that is not all the problem because a lot of the time the maintainer is also the submitter. There is no way to discourage the behavior of the maintainer on going on to other stuff while there are known regressions to fix. A wiki page of

Re: Release Schedule issues and doubts

2006-06-04 Thread Gabriel Dos Reis
Andrew Pinski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | On Jun 4, 2006, at 1:19 PM, Richard Sandiford wrote: | > I think a system of | > punishing maintainers is going to make it less attractive for | > less active maintainers to do anything at all. | | You are not punishing the good maintainers, just not so

Re: Release Schedule issues and doubts

2006-06-04 Thread Andrew Pinski
On Jun 4, 2006, at 1:19 PM, Richard Sandiford wrote: I think a system of punishing maintainers is going to make it less attractive for less active maintainers to do anything at all. You are not punishing the good maintainers, just not so good ones. The idea is keep maintainers active in GCC a

Re: Release Schedule issues and doubts

2006-06-04 Thread Richard Sandiford
Gerald Pfeifer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > However, we should account for periods of inactivity and reduced > activity caused by personal issues, employer changes, illness, > whatever. Agreed. > Other projects have a certain period of time (one year, eighteen months) > after which inactive cont

Re: Release Schedule issues and doubts

2006-06-04 Thread Andrew Pinski
On Jun 4, 2006, at 1:03 PM, Richard Sandiford wrote: I agree. And I don't think a new gcc by-law is needed here (we seem so many of those already). Maintainers can already refuse to review a "fun new feature" patch until the submitter has fixed some problem with one of the submitter's ea

Re: Release Schedule issues and doubts

2006-06-04 Thread Richard Sandiford
Mike Stump <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Jun 4, 2006, at 2:08 AM, Steven Bosscher wrote: >> On 6/4/06, Richard Sandiford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Even if it's not intended that way, your proposal is probably >>> going to >>> be interpreted at some stage as a way of punishing maintainers.

Re: Release Schedule issues and doubts

2006-06-04 Thread Mike Stump
On Jun 4, 2006, at 2:08 AM, Steven Bosscher wrote: On 6/4/06, Richard Sandiford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Even if it's not intended that way, your proposal is probably going to be interpreted at some stage as a way of punishing maintainers. And what is wrong with that? I have a different

Re: Release Schedule issues and doubts

2006-06-04 Thread Gerald Pfeifer
On Sun, 4 Jun 2006, Steven Bosscher wrote: > Maybe it would help clean up the long list of maintainers who don't > actually do any maintenance. Then, at last, you get a more fair > picture of the number of reviewers&maintainers that we really have. Agreed. It will provide a clearer picture at l

Re: Release Schedule issues and doubts

2006-06-04 Thread Steven Bosscher
On 6/4/06, Richard Sandiford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Even if it's not intended that way, your proposal is probably going to be interpreted at some stage as a way of punishing maintainers. And what is wrong with that? Maybe it would help clean up the long list of maintainers who don't actual

Re: Release Schedule issues and doubts

2006-06-04 Thread Richard Sandiford
Andrew Pinski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Now for the fix I have in mind (which might or might not work): > > If you are a maintainer of an area and you approve a patch which > causes a regression in that new code, you have to fix it or have the > person whos patch it was fix it or face losing yo