Re: [FRIAM] patriot hackers, again

> My limited experience with the type of people that join the NSA (that the NSA > wants) [⛧] is that they would fail in the same way the DC cops failed, biased > thinking a bunch of fat, bearded, white dudes aren't really a threat. The one and only time I have been inside the belly of the NSA be

Re: [FRIAM] Poetry Slams vs biologic Percean Logic Machine Emulator

glen - Just to let the thread fray down to nothing here, I do agree that we mostly agree... the big difference between Adams and Trump might be about self-awareness and openly "owning" this style of "communication" and what the utility/implication of it might be. I appreciate your perspective on

Re: [FRIAM] Poetry Slams vs biologic Percean Logic Machine Emulator

ology > > Clark University > > thompnicks...@gmail.com <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/> > >   > >   > > *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Steve Smith > *Sent

Re: [FRIAM] Talent and Moral Luck - Steelman attempt

> One could drive the cash to a recipient, or send Bitcoin. There's no > requirement of anyone to afford a donor of any particular convenience. I submit this apocalyptic tale from Frank Herbert (Dune): https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/93448.The_White_Plague Relevant Synopsis:   Scien

Re: [FRIAM] Talent and Moral Luck - Steelman attempt

Jon - > That is true, though not free of further consideration. Eric's steelman > highlights a tight coupling between individual and society, tight enough > that actions on the *negative space*[1] of society are effective actions > induced on the individual. Similar arguments arise when we talk a

Re: [FRIAM] Talent and Moral Luck - Steelman attempt

> nst> Sorry.  You missed my point.  It was—YPTE—introspective.  I was > noticing that I could not believe that a world without women was > dreary without being a sexist.  > >   > > nst> Probably not that interesting a thought if one is under 50, or > 60, or 70, or perhaps even 80  > and I submit

Re: [FRIAM] it's world logic day!

this whole conversation seems so (il)logical > Its funny how a non-logician presupposes he has a better definition of logic > than others. The arrogance is debilitating. > > On 1/14/21 8:31 AM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: >> It’s nice to know that logic is being celebrated.  Still – surprise!—

Re: [FRIAM] Rotary Cell Phone (Description and Build)

Jon - I really like your phrase     "... closer to the heart of what it means to be a musical instrument". My friend/colleague Panaiotis (in ABQ) plays hard in that domain:     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcnAqUfKsms&feature=youtu.be Here is quite a range of interesting entries into a comp

[FRIAM] exploiting the uncanny valley...

I wonder how much lead time went into making this series of fakes wandering the uncanny valley between shallow and deep fake? Na Na Na Na, Goodbye - Kimmel This class of "magic" will be for the current children growing up what the elders here

Re: [FRIAM] exploiting the uncanny valley...

Jon - I appreciate your observation about approaching the UV from either side, there is definitely an asymmetry, though as with  my earlier references to "estuarial" it seems like there must be some intermediate territory where one can wash or slosh back and forth each direction and find some comm

Re: [FRIAM] exploiting the uncanny valley...

ovels). > > davew > > > On Fri, Jan 22, 2021, at 9:46 AM, Steve Smith wrote: >> >> Jon - >> >> I appreciate your observation about approaching the UV from either >> side, there is definitely an asymmetry, though as with  my earlier >> references to &qu

Re: [FRIAM] Acronyms

Nick - I think it *can* be the thing you call out, but I encounter it in so many contexts where that explanation doesn't really fit.   Sometimes I think it is entirely unconscious shortcutting.   On this list, for example, I use LANL (Los Alamos National Laboratory) because I believe that *all* Sa

Re: [FRIAM] Acronyms

p I did on my senior project included only the barest of APL code, and always formatted to be readable, not succinct (or cryptic)...  @SAS out >   > > Nick Thompson > > thompnicks...@gmail.com <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson

Re: [FRIAM] Acronyms

GEPR - > I intended to respond to Steve. But I'll let this stand as that response, > too. The callback to Glassholes was well-received. > I actually never saw googleGlass in the wild, but I sure remember the first year or so of folks wh

Re: [FRIAM] Acronyms

> Jon, > > On the whole I agree. But I can't help wondering if we would be a lot > smarter if we heard from more of them. > > n I have always felt (mildly) impoverished by the participation to subscription ratio here.  It is very hard for me to believe that the fairly small (by percentage) coh

Re: [FRIAM] coding versus music

I am no longer an *effective* coder in the same sense Dave describes.   But that doesn't mean I can't read and write code in a number of languages and idioms.  But it does mean that nobody should pay me for that work except insomuch as it is incidental to what I'm *really* doing for their filthy lu

Re: [FRIAM] Message to the non-posting 95%

I don't let my spam filter automatically file my spam...  I visually scan the subjects and senders and depend on my peripheral vision to notice spam markers... if something is suspected spam but *isn't* I notice pretty close to real-time which means that there isn't a lot of negative reinforcement

Re: [FRIAM] Message to the non-posting 95%

; boss as I am? More? Or do they all live like Kings from the > thousands of dollars they steal from the elderly? > > > [⛧] We have this terrible noise problem on our landline that's not > due to unfiltered DSL. Renee' wants me to get rid of it. I'm not

[FRIAM] Strawman/Steelman

Perhaps no-one cares or shares my confusion with the use Strawman/Steelman championed by Glen and adopted by others, however:    consensus development: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man_proposal    vs polemical debate: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man - . -..-. . -. -.. -..

Re: [FRIAM] Strawman/Steelman

nd. Etc. > > It's unfortunate that we focus on competitive, zero-sum, and adversarial > senses of such things. But that need not be the case. > > > On 1/28/21 12:30 PM, Steve Smith wrote: >> Perhaps no-one cares or shares my confusion with the use >> Strawm

Re: [FRIAM] Strawman/Steelman

?) where each party > straw mans the others position on the way to a common ground. Etc. > > It's unfortunate that we focus on competitive, zero-sum, and adversarial > senses of such things. But that need not be the case. > > > On 1/28/21 12:30 PM, Steve Smith wrote: >&g

Re: [FRIAM] Strawman/Steelman

extending that work over your idea because those links > you post (and the ideology they imply) seems, feels to me, like top-down > imposition of "right reasoning" onto the biology rather than learning, > inducing, how animals reason *from* the animal behavior. If we could build >

Re: [FRIAM] Message to the non-posting 95%

On 1/29/21 10:34 AM, Roger Critchlow wrote: > Maybe google sends mail to spam when it can't figure out how to > monetize it, thus encouraging me to get a more exploitable life? Great bumper sticker...       Get an exploitableLife! > > -- rec -- > > > On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 10:49 AM uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ <

Re: [FRIAM] Strawman/Steelman

Eric - You lay this out so well.  Some random observations. 1. Minsky's Ratchet is very compelling as an explanation.  As we know I'm a sucker for understanding by analogy with mechanical technology as a common source domain.  I *think* Minsky's Ratchet is a correlate of what you la

[FRIAM] "Trust in the Emergent"

he wild and wooly stock market.  I know it's > unsustainable, but my hopes are constantly dashed every time I think > it's going to crash and it demonstrates its robustness once more. > >   > > On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 10:56 AM Steve Smith <mailto:sasm...@swcp.com>&g

Re: [FRIAM] Song of the Day: Manu Chao - Me Llaman Calle Re: Strawman/Steelman

Tres Malegria! > On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 2:04 PM David Eric Smith > wrote: > > Yes, thanks SteveG. > > If there is ever a post from me that is not rife with errors of > spelling and memory, you will know I have been replaced by an > imposter. > > E

Re: [FRIAM] While walking to get tacos...

Jon - I still hold it (deliberately) as a poem, and appreciate it as such. Knowing only a little about Ravens and other Corvids from reading popular science books about them and observing them in the wild and in the context of movies, television and documentaries, I like the thought of an Albino

Re: [FRIAM] what complexity science says ...

Some of us, we are just a few syllables short of a haiku On 2/5/21 9:09 AM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: > > Gosh.  We’re all pretty good at this.  N > >   > >   > > Nick Thompson > > thompnicks...@gmail.com > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ >

Re: [FRIAM] ethical dilemma

Dave - I'm glad you elaborated.   My trivial "shunt" answers to stop me from turning your "dilemma" into a "multilemma" of arbitrarily large proportions might be: "it is only a moral dilemma for someone who is immoral" another simple showstopper might be: "if you judge anyone else who m

Re: [FRIAM] ethical dilemma

Official poster of The Grange The two lower-left corner vignettes almost slipped by me:   in particular the "fleece you all" On 2/5/21 1:42 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > > Steve writes: > >   > > < The Patrons of Husbandry, or the Grange, was founded in 1867 to > advance methods of agriculture, a

Re: [FRIAM] The Hidden Spring: A Journey to the Source of Consciousness by Mark Solms

excruciatingly good material in this review of Solms' book... and by extension the book itself. I also very much appreciate Glen's offering of the phrase "multivalent compression of interoceptive composites", as dense and indirect as this read on first blush, a careful unpacking of that phrase was

Re: [FRIAM] 12 Life Lessons From Mathematician and Philosopher Gian-Carlo Rota

*What You Missed That Day You Were Absent From Fourth Grade* Brad Aaron Modlin ** ... /The English lesson was that "//I am"//is a complete sentence./ /.../ redacted/elided for brevity, I was reminded o

Re: [FRIAM] Conditional Association and the "natural order"

I have someone  in my life who worked/lived in Chile during Pinochet's rule, and in fact the company (big copper) he worked for was in fact exploiting in the most American style  eventually the largest, most voracious/egregious of mining companies bought his company up and it only took about 5

Re: [FRIAM] PM-2017-MethodologicalBehaviorismCausalChainsandCausalForks(1).pdf

> Aha, Nick!  You have Curried the function! > > Having Ham and Eggs is a function. > > Having Ham and Eggs given Having Eggs is a Curried function, which now > turns on whether you have ham or not as its one argument. > > Just to cause trouble, I do love my green curried eggs and spam! and even

Re: [FRIAM] infrastructure and faux-diversity

"hoarding" behavior you mentioned > was an accidental increase in load with which the traditional energy sources > couldn't keep up ... less about bumping up the thermostat for a buffer and > more about simple demand. > > It would be interesting to see a dynamic graph of th

Re: [FRIAM] metaphor

I celebrated my 64th birthday yesterday... at least two friends sent me references to these two events and claimed they had arranged them as a gift.   I didn't need anyone to die, but watching such a symbol of Trump's repeated failures coming down in a cloud of dust was quite satisfying.   On 2/1

Re: [FRIAM] academia as a market of ideas

I contend that such a market (any market really, but this one more acutely I think) must have room for a rich commons to be healthy. From: https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/commons-beyond-market-vs-state-dilemma/ /The commons try to situate themselves outside the subject-object reductionis

Re: [FRIAM] academia as a market of ideas

I do think some commonality is required... the "rules of the exchanges" are a shared language, albeit with a very restricted lexicon.  I also think that the relative valuation of trade-goods is a key...  there must be some asymmetry in valuation to "drive the engine"...  else there is no exchange w

Re: [FRIAM] academia as a market of ideas

Jon - > "there must be some asymmetry in valuation to *drive the engine*." > > Perhaps, but must such a valuation be scalar-valued, orderable, or even > comparable? Agreed...   > The exchange of things seems sorting-algorithm-like but overall > more shuffling-algorithm-like. I think that the pres

Re: [FRIAM] Message to the non-posting 95%

Perhaps there is more "blag" than "slag" in this forum? https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=blag > https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=slagging%20off > > Mind you, in Australia, I don't think it necessarily means behind your > back, it can be in front of you too. Essen

[FRIAM] Octavia Butler's prophetic voice

Octavia Butler died abruptly 15 years ago with only two books of her multipart "Parable" (or more commonly Earthseed) series completed.   She was an incredibly deep and perceptive thinker about social issues across many domains (authoritarian movements, social justice, climate change, etc.) which h

Re: [FRIAM] interactive media bias chart

Great find!   I admit to being taken by this chart when I first found it, simply (or most notably?) because I was so hungry for it. I appreciate the analysis in the linked article, but I attribute a lot of the use(full-less)ness of the chart to it's significant dimension reduction, and the specifi

Re: [FRIAM] what is math?

REC - I particularly appreciated the second paragraph riff on "what is mathematics".  Out of the dozen(s) of statements, I couldn't find any I patently disagreed with, though some felt more meaningful/relevant than others. Even more perhaps, I appreciate your characterization of our perigrination

Re: [FRIAM] Ramsey a pragmatist mathmatician?

Jon - I'm not entirely sure of the timing, FrankW may have some input on this, but I believe that Erdos visited Berkeley many times during some of PK Dick's most fecund/fetid years...   this makes me wonder if they sat on curb on Telegraph sharing a bottle of MD-2020 now and then, swapping ideas l

Re: [FRIAM] Score one for Wokeism!

Whack-a-Mole vs Frogger? On 3/5/21 11:06 AM, uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ wrote: > I can't believe that. The act of flattening is a natural part of the > dynamics. What you (and Marcus) are equating is the act of flattening with a > system-wide tendency to flatten *everything*. By saying the flattening is > good,

Re: [FRIAM] Subjective experience & free will

Jon - I like the practical nihilism (as I read it) in your reply.   There is something deflating (of the ego?) about honestly contemplating/answering these kinds of questions I think.  Deflating ~= Freeing? I was most recently confronted via Ted Chiang's short story in his recent collection "Exha

Re: [FRIAM] knowing

Glen - Good response to Dave's points, I'm not likely to add anything but noise by trying to add anything. > [⛧] I'm trying to decide if I want to stop using "plebe" and start using > "prole" ... so many lovely words. I vote for prole(etarian) on the basis that it references the class-struggles

Re: [FRIAM] essentialism

REC - The phrase "you can't bullshit a bullshitter" always struck me as yet another phrase bullshitters use to soften you up to their bullshit. I do like your assertion that it might be a new kind of intelligence test. > > This fits nicely into this other study via hackernews on the essence > of

Re: [FRIAM] civil war(s)

Not speaking for Nick, *I* think politics (vs statesmanship) are at the very *least* _rhetorical_.   I believe rhetoric often includes direct deceit.  A great deal of politics in the US today (maybe forever) is acutely deceitful, even when it isn't attack-oriented.  One party is significantly more

Re: [FRIAM] civil war(s)

27;s use of federally owned land adjacent to Bundy's ranch in > southeastern Nevada <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevada>. > > > Just another note on the hazards of acronyms.  Especially with erratic > memories involved. > > -- rec -- > > On Wed, Mar 10, 20

[FRIAM] Antikythera

Is the antikythera anything "more than" a highly elaborated Orrery  ?   I suppose the most egregious conflation for me is between map/model and "computer" in the sense of a device capable of universal computation.  Orreries are elaborate maps (in the cartographic sense) of the grosser features of t

Re: [FRIAM] great man theory

While I find the great (wo)man theory fundamentally problematic, I don't think criticisms like this list which reduce those who might be held up as such to diminished caricatures of themselves much more than snark.   There is a big (overwhelming) component of ego involved in these people's success

Re: [FRIAM] great man theory

> What is the quote "Methinks the lady doth protest too much"? >8^D > > Dave's post held zero resentment, as far as I can tell. Maybe Steve resents. I was reporting on my own experience/introspection of/on/with resentment, yes.   I was also noting that such lists are compressed caricatures.   I do

Re: [FRIAM] great man theory

Well said Jon... the pop/collective celebre as poem or gestural (ala sumi-e) drawing. Regarding these "seductions", having archetypical figures to identify with/aspire towards, they can also be cautionary.   I'm sure there are many (esp. young LIbertarians) who aspire to be Musk. I don't know how

Re: [FRIAM] great man theory

glen - > OK. But a) I don't think there was any snark in the caricatures. Your > perception of it is, I think, an instance of imputation ... aspects of your > model being attributed to the words. But, more importantly, b) Yes, of course > it's caricature. That's the point. I don't need to insist

[FRIAM] What is Wealth for?

Tangenting off of the Great Man discussion, I would like to solicit a discussion on  "What is Wealth for".  I believe we have attended to this on the side many times (I remember a vFriam where it was declared that "Billionaires are Assholes, but Millionaires aren't (necessarily)"?   Each of our Gr

Re: [FRIAM] Spandrel

correction (arches/domes *vs spandrels*) are duals > > If we accept that contrivance or one like it, then the two types of > elements (arches/domes) are duals.  > - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly

Re: [FRIAM] Spandrel

Nick - Not to beat a dead Spandrel, but the nose example doesn't wash with me.   In many familiar animals, the nose is perched on the end of a snout, and it was the snout that was deprecated in us to the point that the nostril-holes with various adaptive properties (downward facing to keep rain o

Re: [FRIAM] Spandrel

> Steve,  > Yes exactly! Humans were not selected "for noses." Humans were (the > argument goes) selected for shorter jaws. The "protruding" nose is > what you end up with after selection shrinks the jaw. So, if you > notice that humans have noses, and you jump straight to asking "Why > did protru

Re: [FRIAM] Spandrel

, > evolutionary biologists and evolutionary psychologists should be very > cautious about asserting that common traits are adaptive. Even things > you can show to have resulted from selection (rather than genetic > drift or other processes) could still be mere byproducts of the &

Re: [FRIAM] Spandrel

gt; would be pretty silly to assert that impacted wisdom teeth were > adaptive, even though they likely resulted from natural selection > through the same pressures that led to noses. > >   > > Now, the problem with the "nose" example is that, given the variation >

Re: [FRIAM] What is Wealth for?

In the vernacular of Confidence (wo)men,  there is the short game and the long game.  And then there is the arc of one's career which is not necessarily a piecewise linear composition of con after con after con.   Sure... with a finite number of hours in a day, and days in a life the number of Mar

Re: [FRIAM] What is Wealth for?

I think Merle's request for us to start with "what is wealth?" before we go on to "what is it for" was not pedantic... it rather reflected that likelihood that we don't all share the same idea of what wealth is, even at the broadest scale.  I also think they are inextricably tied. I admit to think

Re: [FRIAM] What is Wealth for?

Glen - > Ooops! My semantic pedantic comment was aimed at EricC, not Merle. 8^D Eric's > always going off about whether we're arguing about the meaning of words like > some sort of aggressive Wittgenstein. I think it would be useful to consider all intelligentsia icons with a variety of moods.  

Re: [FRIAM] What is Wealth for?

> Celebrities are the new gods. We love to see them get into trouble, fight > amongst themselves, do gloriously super-human feats, manipulate their poor > servants into depravity, etc. And THIS season we get to borrow the  British Royalty. I think of our Celebrities as our proxy for Royalty and

Re: [FRIAM] What is Wealth for?

At the risk (with the awareness of?) being pedantic: My working definition of Wealth is that it is accumulated or stored Value which just begs the question of "what is Value?" There are a few reasons that Fiat Currency is a common measure of Value and Wealth (e.g. GDP, personal Wealth/Income, etc

Re: [FRIAM] WAS Friday Fodder IS NOW: dangly bits

> “Tangential”  would seem to  understate the case.  Please reply here > if you want to talk about Arnold’s dangly bitsl  Please please do not > gum up a perfectly good conversation about spandrels.  > > Thanks, > >   > > Nick > a1dc6b05992d78388f3e8d23cb7aeac2--byzantine-architecture-romanesque-a

Re: [FRIAM] Friam Norms of Thread Bending

Nick - I took your "don't bend my thread!" admonition as mostly good natured ribbing of yourself and all of us for our feral thread hygiene here. And I (as is common) took it as an invitation to try to tie the whole (set of) thread(s) into a Gordian Knot (the last image in my reply was supposed t

Re: [FRIAM] WAS Friday Fodder IS NOW: dangly bits

> "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." > https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/snark Inconceivable! > > On 3/23/21 1:39 PM, Steve Smith wrote: >> I in the theme of DaveW's observations about whole-part evolution ten

Re: [FRIAM] Future Generating Machines...

Jon - Thanks for the introduction to the podcast creator:  plastic pills..  I appreciate the style of his analysis (up to Glen's "Be afraid, be very afraid!")...  I may not be steeped enough in the PostModernists to be tired of their "know it all style".  Or maybe more correctly, now that they've

Re: [FRIAM] Future Generating Machines...

/glen sed: > Well, again, if you claim the NIH "didn't work", then the burden's on you to > say what "work" means. It would be reasonable to claim that the NIH's purpose > is to save US lives. (I don't think that's true. But it would be reasonable > to say such a thing.) And since so many died f

Re: [FRIAM] Future Generating Machines...

I think you characterize this well: glen> Yes, therein lies the rub, the ever-present dissonance between objectives at one scale and objectives at another scale. I (like to believe that I) live in a multi-scale multi-verse, meaning that when I "try real hard" or "meditate very effectively" I can

Re: [FRIAM] Future Generating Machines...

n should be that we are > variables and the work is to derive the individual. It isn't be the other way > around. > > On 3/29/21 11:55 AM, Steve Smith wrote: >> Is your own refutation of "the individual" the personal experience you >> have, or an intellectua

Re: [FRIAM] Future Generating Machines...

t; > Or, even if the space of states is actual infinite, perhaps there's only a > small number of forcing cultures and we'd *have* to fly out to Sirius in > order to get out of those overwhelming flows. > > On 3/29/21 12:27 PM, Steve Smith wrote: >> I think I *share* t

Re: [FRIAM] Future Generating Machines...

but that is *my* inner battle.   I'm happy for those of you who don't live with those loud shouting matches erupting in your head/heart. > > -Original Message- > From: Friam On Behalf Of Steve Smith > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 2:47 PM > To: friam@redfish.com > Subjec

Re: [FRIAM] is "assault rifle" a red herring?

Frank wrote: > I got my first .22 when I was eight. A .22 varmit-gun/plinker was pretty standard issue to pre-teens in my time too, though my more "progressive" parents started me with a classic Daisy spring-BB followed by a .22 caliber air rifle.  Either could blind someone and the latter might (a

Re: [FRIAM] is "assault rifle" a red herring?

Dave, Glen, et (gun-toting) alia - > When I bought the pistol, 1969, I could get armor piercing, black talon, > heavy grain, light grain, different gauge shot shells, flares, and a grenade > launcher (bullet with screw in top that took a rod to which the grenade was > attached). Best friend at

[FRIAM] CryptoCoins go mainstream

owners.   Everything is on the house today! Boomer:  "doh?"   "I dunno what you just said, but at least I got the Vax <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hekDuCBxCc>! Nya Nya Nya!"  - Sieve > > On 3/30/21 11:25 AM, Steve Smith wrote: >> D

Re: [FRIAM] CryptoCoins go mainstream

; *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] CryptoCoins go mainstream > >   > > The calculations on the energy use and servers that will need to be > built  have been done, and we can be assured that > cybercurrencies worldwide will hasten the collapse much quicker.  I > sa

Re: [FRIAM] Tragedy of the Commons & Free Riders

Glen et al - I'm probably completely out of my depth (again) here. > Eric's idea of engineering individuals to fit some prior conception of > 'tragic', defeats the individual liberty purpose. The purpose of liberty is > to explore the state space, including all the tiny cracks, including cracks

Re: [FRIAM] Tragedy of the Commons & Free Riders

ntradiction in front of the judge. If I remember > right, nobody's sure of the contradiction Goedel had in mind. > > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_Loophole > > > > On April 1, 2021 3:24:51 PM PDT, Steve Smith wrote: >> Glen et al - >> >>

Re: [FRIAM] Free Willy in the Atlantic

Dave West wrote: > Pieter quoted: /"the brain is a physical system like any other, and we > have no more will to operate it in a particular way than we will our > heart to beat"./ > > *But we do have the ability, and can "will" our heart to beat in a > particular way.* > > Not only that, we (at lea

Re: [FRIAM] Free Willy in the Atlantic

here "more self-explanatory than though". Your ABMs could be rather revealing and perhaps therefore entertaining... > >   > > *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Steve Smith > *Sent:* Friday, April 2, 2021 1:05 PM > *To:* friam@redfish.com > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Free Willy in

Re: [FRIAM] Dancing Robots

The "dancing" robots certainly are compelling to view, though I can see why Gary asked if it was real or memorex (CGI)... there was enough uncanny valley going on in their moves to make it clear that they were following a prescribed choreography.   The miniscule detail in the dance moves is what I

Re: [FRIAM] Free Willy in the Atlantic

ink just has to do with > demographics.  For example, remember the late XYZ. > >   > > I know Nick once dreamed of publications out of FRIAM.  I wonder if > he’d settle for a finite state machine?    If it all worked out, > though, I’d have to find a replacement  procrastinat

[FRIAM] Chevaline! Was: Dancing Robots

s-boston-dynamics-humanoid-for-robotics-challenge> > >   > > https://www.themarlincompany.com/blog-articles/more-robots-workplace/ > <https://www.themarlincompany.com/blog-articles/more-robots-workplace/> > >   > > https://youtu.be/JGNopwF

Re: [FRIAM] Free Willy in the Atlantic

s would be pretty easy, I think.   At > least they are obvious to me.    Also noteworthy is that there are > classes of subconversations that I think just has to do with > demographics.  For example, remember the late XYZ. > >   > > I know Nick once dreamed of publications out of FRIAM.  I

Re: [FRIAM] Free Willy into the Atlantic

stories and anecdotes for furlongs to offer for the experience.   On the other hand, I would have just managed to help "pave over the planet faster"..  who knew that my own (business) incompetence would turn out to be my greatest (human) asset? BTW... the grapes were sour (Aesop refere

Re: [FRIAM] Free Willy in the Atlantic

gt; But who knows? And it's irrelevant anyway. What's more relevant are the > conversing chatbots we wrote for an art instillation in Norway. They were > trained up as different personalities working in a mill, designed to both > have conversations with each other *and* answer que

Re: [FRIAM] Free Will in the Atlantic

Glen  wrote: > Until we can measure the analog (robot/computer) in the same way we can > measure the referent (people), e.g. by asking them whether they feel they > have free will, we'll be comparing apples to oranges. And I believe this folds us back into the discussion about Dancing Robots.   

Re: [FRIAM] Free Will in the Atlantic

Glen, et al - As is my wont, I cannot help but notice a bifurcation opportunity in this "free will" narrative back toward collective awareness/action.   Can an *individual* (entirely a delusion of course, but we have beat that horsehide drum) be induced to *behaving as if* they have no free will?

Re: [FRIAM] The God Equation

Marcus  wrote: > That was Glen.   (My explanation is just that we have limited short > term memory and can’t tolerate any other representation than terribly > compressed forms.   So it is hard to gain confidence in simulations > because we can’t get them entirely in our heads, nor prove them > cor

Re: [FRIAM] Free Will in the Atlantic

Marcus - > > I think the least plausible of these is the think-yourself-happy > approach.   If it always worked, that would be Free Will.  Mind over > matter. > This is quite familiar to my own operational logic.   I tend toward trick-yourself-happy with things like "I can always procrastinate late

Re: [FRIAM] The God Equation

-generation through fusion processes might get around that problem.  More tech is always the most obvious answer to the failings/exacerbations of the last round of tech.  Maybe Iron-Man class of miniaturization?                      Deliberately misquoting Pogo - "I have met the enemy and th

[FRIAM] Hybrid-unto-electric vehicles

Marcus wrote: > I have just a small Hybrid CMax now that gets about 45mph instead of > my old Hybrid Escape that got about 30mph.   But the next will be all > electric! > >   > > P.S. QuantumScape is an interesting battery company.  They’ve gone > public but they have no product yet!    > The pace

Re: [FRIAM] The God Equation

uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ - I've been watching for an "affordable" early generation Zero for some time... unfortunately the tech evolves so fast by the time I call one "affordable" the specs (mostly range) looks really lame to me (100 miles is the new 40).   A few years ago I slapped a $200 hub motor on my 30 ye

Re: [FRIAM] Hybrid cars

Scape is an interesting battery company.  They’ve gone > public but they have no product yet!     > >   > > *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Steve Smith > *Sent:* Monday, April 5, 2021 2:29 PM > *To:* friam@redfish.com > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] The God Equation > >   >

Re: [FRIAM] Hybrid cars

xternalities and exported waste/pollution and constant expansion into new frontiers to exploit?  Which is why I acknowledge that my Volt, when charged from the grid is "a coal burner". - Steve >   > > *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Steve Smith > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 6, 20

Re: [FRIAM] MultiFactorAuthentication--YIKES!

> Hi, All, I apologize for this blast.  Clark University (through which > I get a lot of my mail) is moving to MFA and seems to insist that I > have a smart phone to activate it.  Please use the google address if > you want to email me.  Don’t forget the “2”. > Nick - Are you sure it requires a

Re: [FRIAM] MultiFactorAuthentication--YIKES!

(I used to haul it in my backpack with me everywhere).   - Steve On 4/6/21 11:35 AM, uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ wrote: > Maybe this will help? > > https://www.howtogeek.com/129014/how-to-use-google-authenticator-and-other-two-factor-authentication-apps-without-a-smartphone/ > > On 4/6/21 10:27 AM,

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