Re: [FRIAM] EU travel

s domain of interest than he was in "Debt" but I do appreciate his thorough fact-gathering and (alternative) analysis.  His conclusions are often a bit hard to swallow (especially in the shadow of his criticism of others), but not without merit in many cases. - Steve On 6/4/22 10:17 A

Re: [FRIAM] Ψ

I think "(mis)anthropocism" is a spectrum across more than one dimension... probably, nominally a fractal dimension for those who must quantify. When I first encountered the term "neuro-diverse" and thought (similar time frame) about "anti-social" I found a lot more wiggle room for appreciati

Re: [FRIAM] These women might be able to tolerate Friam

FriAM is far from dead IMO, but I do suspect we are somewhat narrower/canalized than we need to be (or not, because in fact we are what we are?).  I think it is a loss that we don't have more women's voices here more often, and I do appreciate those who manage to weigh in, and lament those we m

Re: [FRIAM] AOL 3.0!

Glen wrote: Just yesterday, I saw an email post to a math forum from someone with an aol.com suffix. I thought "Who in hell still uses AOL?" Ha! Now I've got a bad case of FOMO. But I'll be damned if I'm joining yet another Discord server ... maybe next week. I was recently back in touch w

Re: [FRIAM] These women might be able to tolerate Friam

I would also (I probably already said this) be interested in other's participation/reactions/review.   I am unable to do what you (DaveW) suggest and avoid all critical reading, but I do try to do it in the same way I (try to) meditate.   I try to *note* my judgements of what I'm reading, put a

Re: [FRIAM] Economic Health?

On 6/7/22 12:22 AM, glen wrote: https://wallethub.com/edu/states-with-the-best-economies/21697 Top 5 in "Economic Health" are red states. But my guess is all we'll hear about from those states for this election is how bad the economy is. Economic Health is defined as: Unemployment Rate: D

Re: [FRIAM] AOL 3.0!

ta Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Tue, Jun 7, 2022, 9:41 AM Steve Smith wrote: Glen wrote: Just yesterday, I saw an email post to a math forum from someone with an aol.com <http://aol.com> suffix. I thought "Who in hell still uses AOL?" Ha! Now I'

Re: [FRIAM] edgelords

Cody- thanks for pointing that out...   I wonder at his contribution to the book.  The Goodreads reviews are categorically dismissive of the writing and structure of the book, as if someone threw together the maunderings of these three men, each with their own stake in "deep thinking".   I wa

Re: [FRIAM] edgelords

ied up enough by now that I can do that?). On 6/11/22 7:34 AM, Steve Smith wrote: This is an encrypted OpenPGP message, but support for OpenPGP decryption is not available. -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-

[FRIAM] Kissing Kissinger

Holy Moley! The references to Kissenger et. al.'s "The Age of AI: and our Human Future" here lead me to find his  1950 Senior Thesis at Harvard (scanned copy of the typewritten original

[FRIAM] Baruch Spinoza

As long as I am scattergunning this list with the rock-salt of my random studies, I have to toss Spinoza over the transom as well. Being too lazy (manically preoccupied) to thread my way back through the existing discussions on duality on this list, I will simply ask if anyone here has already

Re: [FRIAM] Kissing Kissinger

dissertation on my Smith Corona when Scott said, "Frank, that will be the last computer science dissertation ever written on a typewriter." --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918

Re: [FRIAM] Comcast out

I have had amazingly good connectivity through *most* of our travels in IR/UK/FR/BE/NL now, even the very rural areas (from cellular hotspot).   Unfortunately it is hard to hear my phone through the tinfoil hat I feel like I need to wear because of it!   Trade-offs! On 6/12/22 4:19 AM, Marcus

[FRIAM] tachionising?

something. I didn't understand what. new energy level, and new age something in their I'm sure. On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 1:21 AM Steve Smith wrote: I have had amazingly good connectivity through *most* of our travels in IR/UK/FR/BE/NL now, even the very rural areas (from cel

Re: [FRIAM] tachionising?

... Or will that even block the tachyons? "Everything is connected, it is all vibrations and resonance..."  not wrong, but kinda trite/tautological and not-helpful. Or maybe I'm just too closed minded? "The problem with having an open-mind is that just about anyone can pour just about

Re: [FRIAM] Cultural Evolution Redux

Jochen - I feel like an angel (or devil) dancing on the head of the FriAM pin! I wasn't able to get traction on the first post due to a blind spot I think I have about the details of the history of Christianity.  More and more of it gets *through* to me each time I read it, but because I have

[FRIAM] Ukraine and more...

Phellow Phriammers - I haven't heard much discussion of the ongoing tragedy in Ukraine on the list, not that it is our charter... I don't know if we have another Euro on our list besides Jochen, there must be some?   Lurkers?  Jenny, of course, but she is a lurker (hi Jenny!) in Alaska for t

[FRIAM] dancing on the edge of the uncanny valley

https://www.thedailybeast.com/amazon-unveils-new-ai-tool-for-alexa-to-turn-a-speech-snippet-into-a-voice Marcus confronted me a month or more ago with something along the lines of " who says learning isn't just imitation? ", and it *really* hit home.   Play seems to be a lot about mock-work and

Re: [FRIAM] dancing on the edge of the uncanny valley

entrainment similar to what (I think) martial artists, gymnasts, dancers experience when they train?  This is probably a very real issue/experience in robotic exoskeletal development? On 6/24/22 7:50 AM, Steve Smith wrote: https://www.thedailybeast.com/amazon-unveils-new-ai-tool-for-alexa-to

Re: [FRIAM] Panorma Mesdag while in the Hague (Fwd: Immersive Panoramas of the late 1800s, Edinburgh and other cities (first immersive metaverses))

n , Reed Guerin , Fabio Carrera , Ben Lichtner , Steve Smith Cool youtube on history of panoramic drawing from Calton Hill, Edinburgh for immersive exhibitions in London https://youtu.be/wpSeIkl2EI4 approximate location in Google Maps: https://goo.gl/maps/4wzdoUn9gnKfjUcf7 Other cities,

[FRIAM] SCOTUS

Tom- Even before the NY CC Gun decision and now Roe v Wade, I have had more than a few people asking me similar questions. I don't have an easy answer. Well, the answer to whether *any* northern European wants to enfold us as refugees is probably "not even"... yet I know plenty who have exp

Re: [FRIAM] SCOTUS

Seems like a good time for a Handmaids Tale spinoff set in "Gilead", maybe a prequel that starts with today's ruling?   Add in the gun-stuff and maybe it is a mashup between Handmaids and HIgh-Castle?  Throw in some masks and you get get a dose of Watchmen? On 6/24/22 6:16

Re: [FRIAM] SCOTUS

ow* is leaving it *worse* than they found it ... like a bunch of drunk hillbillies towing old cars to the forest for target practice. On 6/24/22 10:16, Steve Smith wrote: Tom- Even before the NY CC Gun decision and now Roe v Wade, I have had more than a few people asking me similar questions.

Re: [FRIAM] SCOTUS

I think there is pervasive recursion in these things.  I have been amazed at how many examples of "fossilized tech" (in the form of bureaucracy) being dissolved by the COVID lockdown and now re-forming anew in a much more efficient manner.   An annealing cycle, if you will.   My libertarian, so

[FRIAM] A* and emulatoin

This is what made it through my semi-permeable filter-bubble membrane first thing this morning (CET): https://theconversation.com/googles-powerful-ai-spotlights-a-human-cognitive-glitch-mistaking-fluent-speech-for-fluent-thought-185099 which became grist for the mill we have been grinding with

Re: [FRIAM] A* and emulatoin

ns back to the long-running thread on [in|ex]tensional attributes and the ontological status of their distinction. When is mimicry sufficient and when is "from whole cloth" necessary? As someone quipped re: Lemoine's attribution of sentience to LaMDA, "I have met meat B

Re: [FRIAM] A* and emulatoin

accident. AH "3. A phenomenon or feature not originally present or expected and caused by an interfering external agent, action, or process, as an unwanted feature in a microscopic specimen after fixation, in a digitally reproduced image, or in a digital audio recording." On 6/2

Re: [FRIAM] primordial or primeval?

Instructions for Nick from Scout Life: https://scoutlife.org/hobbies-projects/projects/200/make-a-microscope/ To use it at the cosmic scale start with "punch a 1/4 light-second hole in the fabric of space" (aka black hole)... the rest is left as an exercise for the Scout. On 6/27/22 9:29

Re: [FRIAM] A* and emulatoin

>does a tangent of a tangent (of a tangent) imply higher and higher derivatives, >it seems like it is precisely that?!  but in what dimension? Given a differential function R -> R  a new function can be constructed which at each point is the derivative of the original function. if the orig

Re: [FRIAM] A* and emulatoin

sign of climate change https://news.sky.com/story/netherlands-at-least-one-dead-as-tornado-sweeps-through-dutch-coastal-town-12641338 -J. Original message From: Steve Smith Date: 6/26/22 09:16 (GMT+01:00) To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: [FR

[FRIAM] For those interested in Emergence

From the Royal Society: ‘Emergent phenomena in complex physical and socio-technical systems: from cells to societies’compiled and edited by Oriol Artime and Manlio De Domenico https://royalsocietypublishing.org/toc/rsta/2022/380/2227 -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-.

Re: [FRIAM] Covid

On 6/30/22 3:56 PM, Merle Lefkoff wrote: Oh, Ed.  So sorry.  It really sucks to get Covid this late.  Hope it's mild for you. I'm flying back home to Santa Fe next week.  Wondering if the next booster shot is available yet. hope the Covid goes OK for you Ed.   For the most part lately, I've o

Re: [FRIAM] self-care

Eric wrote: Yeah, the theme of performative cruelty as a social movement has now fully found and asserted its identity. I wonder when the rest of us decide this is enough of a threat to need an organized response, and how we do that. Having just recently toured the Anne Frank house in Amster

Re: [FRIAM] thanks for nothing biden

As I was leaving NL, Amsterdam was  planning to significantly reduce the number of "coffee shop" licensed locations because they were felt to be an enforcement problem... being a magnet to illegal drug trade in the vicinity.   It does seem like the best place to try to score something harder wo

Re: [FRIAM] self-care

Carl - I think your point is very well taken, that *much* of what renders out as hypocrisy is often a reflection of overly ambitious aspirations.  However it IS often easier to hold those aspirations for *others* and then criticize *their* failure which is the more traditional stylization of

Re: [FRIAM] 5G

On 7/14/22 6:53 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote: Why would I need 5G cell service?  I never download anything that takes more than a few seconds. you don't... I mostly don't need (or have available) over 3G, but it is good my phone is 4G capable because when I travel to places with good 4G I often

Re: [FRIAM] 5G

The actual gestural referent of my tangent made more explicit: https://venturebeat.com/2022/07/10/a-new-milestone-in-augmented-reality-functional-contact-lenses/ https://spectrum.ieee.org/history-of-augmented-reality On 7/14/22 7:31 PM, Steve Smith wrote: On 7/14/22 6:53 PM, Frank

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: Holtec in NM .... sacrifice zone

Merle - Despite 3 decades inside the belly of the LANL/DOE/NNSA beast and an apologist for MAD at least up until the fall of the Soviet Union I am no fan of Nuclear Power (much less Weapons).  Two of my close neighbors are veterans of the LANL nuclear-waste-disposal industry and *are* apologi

Re: [FRIAM] Modeling Fascism

for those of us trying to suss out the implications of this, I offer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shapley_value I'm not clear on a number of things Jochen: 1. The Shapley values implies an iterated/cooperative model? 2. I see how the "training set" from post WWI Europe might be used in thi

Re: [FRIAM] AI etiquette, Marijuana research

Smiths, et alii ... I find this thread-bit a nice complement to the point Marcus made many weeks ago... confronting my assumption that consciousness/intelligence/creativity (can't remember precisely which subject was in play at the moment) was "anything more than imitation". / / /    "All Ar

Re: [FRIAM] Gross incompetent maggots concast

On 7/21/22 9:37 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: Starlink is another obvious choice to provide better independent redundancy compared to local fiber trunks that could compromise several ISPs at once. Until the next mass coronal ejection pointed our way arrives? I expect we will "soon" have proper m

Re: [FRIAM] Gross incompetent maggots concast

incapable of seeing non-hammer things. So ... your progression below is exactly backwards. Many is not fewer. Many is reality. Fewer is fantasy. And the fewest few, 1, is nothing. On 7/21/22 09:12, Steve Smith wrote: 2 is 1, 1 is none   or in the extreme "many is fewer... until it is al

Re: [FRIAM] Gross incompetent maggots concast

No, no, no, no. >8^D You sound like a crypto-kid who claims the BTC blockchain is "decentralized" even though it's still just 1 blockchain (and proof of work). Your mesh must be *multi*dynamic for it to fit the purpose, here. Maybe the type of meshing you have in mind *is* multi-dynamic. But

Re: [FRIAM] Here's a more down to earth Q

My Appalachian ancestors were quite fond of both sarsparilla vine and sassafrass tree root-products as an herbal tonic.  They were prone to making teas (more appropriately tisanes) from this for medicinal/comfort purposes.   None that I know of were brewers, though they likely did use these (an

Re: [FRIAM] SIKE hack

On 8/4/22 8:32 AM, glen wrote: ... Optimism is poison in large doses. I re-learn that lesson every time I think something like "Yeah, I could rewire that" or "Sure, I can mount that to the wall". Pffft. You'd think I could measure twice, cut once by now. I'm happy when I can get it down to "

Re: [FRIAM] The Starship and the Canoe

Jochen - Glad you found "Starship", I would have recommended it as "preparation reading" to experience the PNW and in particular BC well.  I particularly was taken with his experiences in the traditional Baidarka he crafted (reverse engineered?) including hitching a ride on a barge of cattle

Re: [FRIAM] Isness: Using Multi-Person VR to Design Peak Mystical-Type Experiences Comparable to Psychedelics

In my career with VR (and to a lesser extent the moving target of "cutting ege" graphics/vis tools) it was a constant experience that using high-end interfaces which lower various thresholds to "the suspension of disbelief", primed users to then experience lower-fidelity (and cost) equipment/so

Re: [FRIAM] Isness: Using Multi-Person VR to Design Peak Mystical-Type Experiences Comparable to Psychedelics

SG - Thanks for taking/following/explicating that bait.  I was pretty sure glen was Tweaking us with Twitch and Twink... very NLP if not actually poetic.  I was only aware of the gay-culture terminology but trusted that Glen (as he is wont to do) was expanding our vocabulary/awareness in som

Re: [FRIAM] Isness: Using Multi-Person VR to Design Peak Mystical-Type Experiences Comparable to Psychedelics

lso be used to describe the process of keeping a video game character at a low level while using in-game currency, earned by a high-level character, to provide it with superior equipment." I think I will try randomly using "it's time to get my twink on" with my gamer son.

Re: [FRIAM] Isness: Using Multi-Person VR to Design Peak Mystical-Type Experiences Comparable to Psychedelics

elves or in Glen's use: > > " It can also be used to describe the process of keeping a video game character at a low level while using in-game currency, earned by a high-level character, to provide it with superior equipment." > > I think I will t

Re: [FRIAM] Isness: Using Multi-Person VR to Design Peak Mystical-Type Experiences Comparable to Psychedelics

22 12:30, Roger Critchlow wrote: ExPoMo? On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 2:58 PM Steve Smith <mailto:sasm...@swcp.com>> wrote:     I could (almost) claim that I don't understand a word of what you wrote here. ("I don't even know what you just said). It has the earmarks of a (n

Re: [FRIAM] Isness: Using Multi-Person VR to Design Peak Mystical-Type Experiences Comparable to Psychedelics

ves or in Glen's use: " It can also be used to describe the process of keeping a video game character at a low level while using in-game currency, earned by a high-level character, to provide it with superior equipment." I think I will try randomly using "it's time

Re: [FRIAM] Advice sought: data compromise

Nick - If I understand your story correctly, I would start by verifying the "local health care company".  If they are someone you do business with, then you can contact them otherwise through "normal" channels (not website/e-mail) that you already trust (you do business with them already?)  

Re: [FRIAM] "tech" companies suck

The first movie theater experience I had after COVID had them shut down was watching Tom Hanks wander through NM landscape (filmed here more than set here) settings reading the Newspapers out loud to news-hungry, mostly illiterate, post-Civil-War townies.   He added another layer of curation/ed

Re: [FRIAM] dystopian vision(s)

Glen sed: https://www.neom.com/en-us/regions/theline Pushed by a ruthless monarchy, funded by fossil fuels, bulldozing indigenous lands, ... yikes. And your linked advert for it!   Looks like the Saudi's intend to even change the laws of physics as well as other "softer ones" . The first

Re: [FRIAM] dystopian vision(s)

The experience *I* have (or the way I have mostly interpreted it) with various ways of "playing around with my interface/membrane/boundary" is that alternatively addictive to the point of becoming "essential" and a "vertiginous stare into the abyss" at the same time.    I'm not talking particul

Re: [FRIAM] dystopian vision(s)

nic! At the Disks: First Rest-frame Optical Observations of Galaxy Structure at z>3 with JWST in the SMACS 0723 Field https://arxiv.org/abs/2207.09428 I appreciate having near-peers who are "peering" into the same general (vaguely familiar) areas of the fractal abyss that I am...

Re: [FRIAM] dystopian vision(s)

Glen said: ... ... So another form of Dave's argument, still metaphysical, is this Smolin-esque (or even Schrödinger-esque ala negentropy?) concept that our objective(s) is tightly coupled pockets of deep computation. And *that*, given that our brains are fantastic computers, gives some we

Re: [FRIAM] dystopian vision(s)

dent upon. Drugs, even very old ones brewed up by one-eyed witches in the outback bush, *are* technology, nearly identical to the Mojo Lens or the Neuralink. What's that stanza from Alice in Chains? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9GAEFTeWko " What's my drug of choice? Well,

Re: [FRIAM] dystopian vision(s)

GEPR - This sounds like a fantastic project for a public OSINT challenge. You *know* all those codgers have terrible OpSec, probably order their drugs through the USPS or worse, have their underpaid, over-abused admin assistants pick 'em up at the drive through window of the pharmacy. A good c

Re: [FRIAM] dystopian vision(s)

closure of the results... It isn't about what they "deserve" it is about who I am willing to be?   For a few months in 2016 I had a direct-action project conception titled "take a Dump for Trump" that was modeled on the old Halloween trick of a bag of burning dogshit on

Re: [FRIAM] Augmented Reality

Glen - Great thoughtful and thought-provoking post (as usual).  (at the risk of verging on bro-etry?) Sanas, the buzzy Bay Area startup that wants to make the world sound whiter https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/sanas-startup-creates-american-voice-17382771.php And a voice modifier fro

Re: [FRIAM] computer monitor

Gil - I have gone past the use of external computer monitors in my own life/work and have a total of 3 re-homeable units I could offer you.   I don't have the specs on them in front of me, and I can't guarantee their ruggedness, though I am not easy on most of my gear and I have not damaged a

Re: [FRIAM] computer monitor

I'm also sometimes not as nice to my electronics as I really should be. Do you have either my or Owens email? that way we figure out how make arrangements for pickups or drop offs. On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 1:28 PM Steve Smith wrote: Gil - I have gone past the use of external com

Re: [FRIAM] wtf I thought nuclear weapons was banned since...forever

Pandora's cats are out of the bag and nothing will put them back.   I'm not religious but the whole "original sin" thing is a good allegory for how hard (impossible) it is to go backwards... even when that would be the very best thing to do (were it possible).   There is no "undo" button... ent

Re: [FRIAM] more structure-based mind-reading

On 9/1/22 11:21 AM, glen wrote: Inter-brain synchronization occurs without physical co-presence during cooperative online gaming https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0028393222001750 There's a lot piled into the aggregate measures of EEG. And the mere fact of the canalization co

Re: [FRIAM] more structure-based mind-reading

of Participant Observation at the core of cultural anthropology. The premise is you cannot truly understand a culture until you live it. Of course, there is still a boundary, a separation, between the anthropologist and those with whom she interacts, but sweat, calluses, blood, and emotions g

Re: [FRIAM] more structure-based mind-reading

t (or not). On 9/3/22 08:47, Marcus Daniels wrote: The claim is that there is all this diversity in subcultures and that the only way to understand them is to participate in them.  If it is possible to fake it, and I think it is, then that raises doubts about the claim. That is what spies spe

Re: [FRIAM] more structure-based mind-reading

ing the edge cases. On 9/3/22 08:47, Marcus Daniels wrote: > The claim is that there is all this diversity in subcultures and that the only way to understand them is to participate in them.  If it is possible to fake it, and I think it is, then that raises doubts about the claim. That is wha

Re: [FRIAM] more structure-based mind-reading

circumstances is a complete deconstruction and deletion of empathy.  Ask what rats would do.   Oh it takes me back. I do like me a good "black comedy"...  I recently enjoyed Woody Harrelson as _The Man from Toronto_...  McConaughey also rarely disappoints. On Sep 6, 2022, at 11:15 AM

Re: [FRIAM] signal and noise

Marcus Daniels wrote: “Noise” may have some quantitative properties but nothing that reveals ultimate causality without at least factoring all unseen events from the Big Bang onward. Signal to noise is about being able to discriminate something you want from something you don’t. Further, i

Re: [FRIAM] signal and noise

glen wrote: I think it's reasonable. But I also think it leans wrong, depending on what you mean by "several conversations", "algorithmic", and "noise". I particularly like your use of the idiom "lean's wrong" which triggers for me "Tell all the Truth but Tell it Slant" - Emily Dickenson

Re: [FRIAM] signal and noise

to even conceive of? In short, what can we ever know about the nature of that which we cannot conceive of? On 9/9/22 11:33, Steve Smith wrote: glen wrote: Jochen posts more questions than answers. Even EricS' conversations with Jon about the expressive power of hypergraphs shows an

[FRIAM] Wolpert's 12 questions

Glen, et al.  - Here is my throwdown... For convenience, the 12 questions are: And I hope others will weigh in here... 1. Why is there a major chasm with the minimal cognitive capabilities necessary for survival by pre-Holocene hominids on one side, and on the other side, all those cognit

Re: [FRIAM] Wolpert - discussion thread placeholder

DaveW - Just wanted to put this here as a placeholder for future conversation as I would like to take up Wolpert's questions even though I am not "miraculous" per glen's invitation. I do need a day to two to read and pose questions /make observations, but others might be ready to chime in wit

Re: [FRIAM] signal and noise

On 9/9/22 5:56 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: A genome wide association study (GWAS) using a set of full human genome sequences, or a set of exome sequences is the same, it is just a question of which DNA is used. Some nucleotides code for proteins and some code for things like how much of the p

[FRIAM] Dual Field Discourse...

SG - I put this aside to answer more better when I had more time/focus and it sat a bit. I just deleted a longwinded series of discursions triggered by this topic and decided to try for "concise" and "focused" instead. You captured my appreciation that the "dual field" treatment Pradeep and

Re: [FRIAM] Wolpert - discussion thread placeholder

was any kind of qualitative or quantitative difference in cognitive abilities of humans then and now. to be continued ... davew On Sat, Sep 10, 2022, at 8:05 AM, Steve Smith wrote: > DaveW - >> Just wanted to put this here as a placeholder for future convers

Re: [FRIAM] Wolpert - discussion thread placeholder

ble to put the 'surplus' to work on issues of math and music; but, not that there was any kind of qualitative or quantitative difference in cognitive abilities of humans then and now. to be continued ... davew On Sat, Sep 10, 2022, at 8:05 AM, Steve Smith wrote

Re: [FRIAM] monte carlo geometry processing

And my stuck bit on (apparent) teleology is always tickled by bidirectional path invocations... The hindsight and foresight as duals, if you will (and I must). On 9/11/22 5:25 PM, Stephen Guerin wrote: What a great talk. As I was watching, given my stuck bit on dual fields and bidirectional

Re: [FRIAM] Wolpert's 12 questions

On 9/12/22 9:47 AM, glen∉ℂ wrote: Steve Smith sasmyth at swcp.com, Sat Sep 10 11:00:22 EDT 2022: This suggests to me that the very fundament of what I believe is "consciousness" is self-other dualistic?   Is there something unique about (our familiar form of) consciousness that re

Re: [FRIAM] Floppy disks still live. Sorta

When Mary moved here she had a collection of 3.5" floppies with her early poetry on them...  she wasn't sure what she had and hadn't had a floppy drive to look at them with since the 90s.   As it turned out I had a USB floppy reader I had bought to help someone else recover their history and sh

Re: [FRIAM] God is not a Good Theory

I asked Alexa "what is GPT3?", She quoted from the beginning of the Wikipedia article: /*Generative Pre-trained Transformer 3*(//*GPT-3*//; stylized*GPT·3*//) is anautoregressive language model

Re: [FRIAM] Wolpert - discussion thread placeholder

DaveW - A more reasonable question is what caused a small subset of our species to 'go beserk' and take a subset of the SAM that served our species so well for so long, to such abstract extremes? An answer might be found, and is argued, in the Ian McGilchrist works on recent "left-brained"

Re: [FRIAM] Wolpert - discussion thread placeholder

On 9/14/22 7:31 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: ML gets better every day because it learns more like a newborn child than a university student. This isn't 1970s AI anymore. It all seems like a strawman argument, whether you know it or not. And as I have referenced watching a puppy and a kitten

Re: [FRIAM] Wolpert - discussion thread placeholder

western-civilization centric?   I am more acutely antipathic in this regard *because* I often *am one*...  there is no anti-smoker at large than a former smoker, especially one who perchance sneaks a guilty fag in private now and then? On 9/14/22 22:29, Marcus Daniels wrote: What would be

Re: [FRIAM] Wolpert - discussion thread placeholder

ink we could reformulate Wolpert's questions with that and it would be even more steely. *And* it would still agree with Wolpert's main point: that we are more limited/biased than we can possibly imagine. In any case, don't read my comments the wrong way. I'm enormously grat

Re: [FRIAM] Wolpert - discussion thread placeholder

>There is some kind of diectic error in our response. Korrekshun - "deictic" -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscrib

Re: [FRIAM] Wolpert - discussion thread placeholder

ke daring escapes. How is it that a creature with such gifts evolved through an evolutionary lineage so radically distant from our own? What does it mean that evolution built minds not once but at least twice? The octopus is the closest we will come to meeting an intelligent alien. What can we learn f

Re: [FRIAM] Wolpert - discussion thread placeholder

eologian) and James Bridle <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Bridle#cite_note-5> (contemporary artist/writer) - Steve PS.   Or is the landscape metaphor flawed?  I only see a "hellride" in the Zelazny-Amber sense...  riding across a multiverse manifold stretched roughly be

Re: [FRIAM] Wolpert - discussion thread placeholder

Jon - Reponsive to your references to Carroll, et al... Theories of everything - Sabine Hossenfelder and to your rant about iterated colimits of consumeables: - Steve On 9/17/22 1:15 PM, Jon Zingale wrote: I am often confused by what people

Re: [FRIAM] truth-preserving math

On 9/18/22 8:00 AM, glen∉ℂ wrote: Even without the math, I think the main point is that of field vs particle. We talk a lot about networks. But you can imagine a smooth blob of goo (maybe like Silly Putty or pizza dough) being stretched and kneaded such that some parts are hard-ish clumps and

Re: [FRIAM] Portland interruption but my laughable internet keeps going down

Gil- I get my service through NMSURF wireless (formerly CNSP) and have had pretty good service, though *I* may have somewhat lower expectations than most people...  a little like Gary... when you grow up without *any* internet and then "come of age" with 110/300/1200bps dialup and got really

Re: [FRIAM] Automata with FFT

On 9/24/22 9:49 AM, glen wrote: Such efforts seem so inherently metaphorical it's difficult for me to approach a concrete conversation. For example, I have a couple of biologist friends, one meso (bugs) and one macro (ungulates), who thought I was being contrarian when I challenged their asser

Re: [FRIAM] Automata with FFT

Glen said: /But maybe some of his earlier work on Clifford algebras might motivate me? I could start here, I guess: https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-1-4757-1472-2_41 / this definitely feeds my more mystical conceptions of the relationship between mathematics and "reali

Re: [FRIAM] Automata with FFT

Glen said: /But maybe some of his earlier work on Clifford algebras might motivate me? I could start here, I guess: https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-1-4757-1472-2_41 / this definitely feeds my more mystical conceptions of the relationship between mathematics and "reali

Re: [FRIAM] Automata with FFT

rtunity for gurus to blind others with their gobbledygook mouth sounds. I guess it reminds me of category theory, too abstract for my ape brain. But maybe some of his earlier work on Clifford algebras might motivate me? I could start here, I guess: https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-1-4

Re: [FRIAM] Automata with FFT

ention. It always seems >>> motivated by geometry, which fails for me. Of course, I'm familiar >>> enough with software patterns. But that's always failed for me as well. >>> They seem too ephemeral, unstable ... i.e. not real, convenient >>> fiction, a

Re: [FRIAM] Automata with FFT

ems  >>> motivated by geometry, which fails for me. Of course, I'm familiar  >>> enough with software patterns. But that's always failed for me as well.  >>> They seem too ephemeral, unstable ... i.e. not real, convenient  >>> fiction, and *perfec

Re: [FRIAM] Automata with FFT

On 9/26/22 9:30 AM, Jon Zingale wrote: One thing that got me interested in this work is the possibility of organizations of agents in different frequency spaces coming together to make agents over the total frequency domain. Also, I would be curious about the robustness of agents under frequen

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