Re: [FRIAM] Double Master Function (was Re: bad covid story)

pes of metrics can we define such that "adjacent" is maximized? A radius of 1 in some metrics may be larger than a radius of 1 in other metrics. And Twitch is the generative impulse, the (pseudo)RNG that takes us from here to there. Coverage is more important than consistency in fanta

Re: [FRIAM] Democracy in Name Only: endemic regime instability

oneself from it until the political power of the crazies is ground down by repeated failure and steadily decreasing economic power. *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Steve Smith *Sent:* Friday, February 4, 2022 8:32 AM *To:* friam@redfish.com *Subject:* [FRIAM] Democracy in Name Only: endemi

Re: [FRIAM] Democracy in Name Only: endemic regime instability

g this time, perhaps the kind of oscillation the author imagines.   The trick will be to insulate oneself from it until the political power of the crazies is ground down by repeated failure and steadily decreasing economic power. *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Steve Smith *Sent:* Friday, Febr

Re: [FRIAM] Another Stunning Hydrogen Development - Retake Our Democracy

On 2/6/22 8:31 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: https://thebulletin.org/2022/01/whether-green-blue-or-turquoise-hydrogen-needs-to-be-clean-and-cheap/ ///Low-cost fossil fuel resources are finite. Someday it will simply not be possible to burn oil, natural gas, and coal for the affordable hea

Re: [FRIAM] Another Stunning Hydrogen Development - Retake Our Democracy

  We do think Hydrogen fuel cells are a solution for mobile applications. Mike Orshan On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 10:27 AM Steve Smith wrote: On 2/6/22 8:31 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: https://thebulletin.org/2022/01/whether-green-blue-or-turquoise-hydrogen-needs-to-be-clean-and-cheap/

Re: [FRIAM] Another Stunning Hydrogen Development - Retake Our Democracy

centers.  25% of all GHGs come from generating electricity.  45% of all water used in the US is used to create electricity. We see this as a better option than Hydrogen.  We do think Hydrogen fuel cells are a solu

[FRIAM] Power Laws and the Human Condition...

e canned beans or whatnot. But we can tolerate the few truly innovative survivalists, and *not* pipe energy to their stead. It's the blatant exploiters, rent-seekers, whose living out there is fully supported by their ability to suck resources from the hive ... and our abetting that parasiti

Re: [FRIAM] Power Laws and the Human Condition...

little guys. It just seems so obvious that rather than homogenize the wilderness, we should be diversifying the city. Hence bringing compressed air to the (residentially zoned) home seems regressive, not progressive. Thanks. I'll look up Kimmerer and Hubville. On 2/8/22 10:43, Steve Smith wro

Re: [FRIAM] Another Stunning Hydrogen Development - Retake Our Democracy

or whatnot. But we can tolerate the few truly innovative survivalists, and *not* pipe energy to their stead. It's the blatant exploiters, rent-seekers, whose living out there is fully supported by their ability to suck resources from the hive ... and our abetting that parasitic relations

Re: [FRIAM] Agentscript steganography for distributing model code with an image (was Re: ... --- ...)

SG - I think you are just *asking* for a Snow Crash scenario...  like jokesters on TV/podcasts who utter "Alexa " on air knowing many folks will have an Alexa device listening and have to contend with their device(s) executing the command.   Wit

Re: [FRIAM] Agentscript steganography for distributing model code with an image (was Re: ... --- ...)

Excellent analysis Glen... On 2/10/22 12:30 PM, glen wrote: Excellent! Transparency is inadequate, though. As with open-source, transparency reduces to reachability, which facilitates hacking by obscurity, one of the many kinds of supply chain channels we're seeing so much of in the news these

Re: [FRIAM] by any means necessary

Where are the advocacy groups to write *only* steelmen rather than being either corporate/industry lackeys and/or hyper-aggressive activists reframing everything as a tragedy? My sympathies are with the "little guy", the individuals and groups with no voice or power of their own, but too often

Re: [FRIAM] by any means necessary

Thanks for having this conversation in front of us,  I'm pretty invested in these kinds of issues and they are rarely discussed openly IMO. Perhaps you can unpack for me a little (or say it another way so I can gain my own parallax): /In our capitalist society, is it reasonable for Neurali

Re: [FRIAM] by any means necessary

On 2/15/22 1:35 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: An Ising model would also work here where collective activities are encoded as binary terms and the quadratic terms represent inter-subject affinity and repulsion to those activities. For example, if a pig suffers, some support staff might stop part

Re: [FRIAM] Alien Crash Site, Complexity, Future Fossils and Jim Rutt Podcasts

SteveG - I'm not at all familiar with this podcast.  My taste in SF doesn't normally run to the Alien Visitor subgenre (though it does remind me of Doug Robert's novella on that topic circa 2010?) I'll take a gander at that as well as Garfield's and give you a response. I kinda gave up on Ru

Re: [FRIAM] Alien Crash Site, Complexity, Future Fossils and Jim Rutt Podcasts

y, right? [[⥁]] [[⥁]] Of course NOT! Clocks are mechanisms, maybe even the canonical mechanism. And, as a mechanism, a stopped clock cannot be a clock at all. So "stopped clock" is self-contradictory ... from which, classicaly, we can derive any theorem at all. So stopped clocks are either al

Re: [FRIAM] Alien Crash Site, Complexity, Future Fossils and Jim Rutt Podcasts

teous than I'm intuiting, I look forward to hearing more from you about their arguments. On 2/16/22 5:55 PM, Steve Smith wrote: I'm glad you brought up the Consilience Project again.   I have not hardly but scratched their "veneer" and have my own warning signals, including

[FRIAM] Brain as Quantum Computer Hallucinating Math

I haven't gone deep into this article yet, but the premise and some of the factoids I tripped over were provocative.   Touched on the Primate and Human Subjects testing and neural (invasive) sensing stuff we've been rattling on about here lately. https://thenextweb.com/news/your-brain-migh

Re: [FRIAM] Alien Crash Site, Complexity, Future Fossils and Jim Rutt Podcasts

ir constant [abusive|bullying|whatever] criticism or, worse yet, if they were fawning sycophants. What hell that must be. Anyway, I'm not saying any of this has anything to do with Consilience Project. But it's a tangent that, by typing it out and submitting it for criticism here,

Re: [FRIAM] tapeworms

well found/shared... On 2/20/22 8:12 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: Whether the effect is the Fox News viewer, or golfers at the local country club, I think the cause must be tapeworms! https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/05/ant-tapeworm/618919/ .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.

Re: [FRIAM] sanctions schmanctions

On 2/25/22 7:33 AM, glen wrote: I guess I spoke too soon: https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/anonymous-attacks-russia-ukraine-invasion-rt-ddos-b2023177.html I am still unclear about how self-organized/appointed dis-organizations like Anonymous can actually work.  I don't mean that critically

[FRIAM] Adversarial Collaboration - Kahneman

Glen wrote, a few weeks ago, about an old friend/colleague who had been out of touch who confronted him with having "bullied him intellectually" a while back.    I didn't think too much of it at the time because I experience Glen's confrontational style to be more about contrarianism than bully

Re: [FRIAM] Adversarial Collaboration - Kahneman

y-theoretic point of view.  Maybe right up Nick's alley? https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/06/how-consciousness-evolved/485558/ This whole thing rhymes (I find) with the Generative Adversarial Network discussions we've had here in the past. And for some of us, mayb

Re: [FRIAM] Adversarial Collaboration - Kahneman

ion, defining a game of some sort, then I can play along nearly as if I actually agree on that foundation, at least for awhile. Maybe this construct will help us find a way to do that without anyone feeling bullied. On 2/28/22 08:19, Steve Smith wrote: Glen wrote, a few weeks ago, about an

Re: [FRIAM] Adversarial Collaboration - Kahneman

27;re assuming such a foundation, defining a game of some sort, then I can play along nearly as if I actually agree on that foundation, at least for awhile. Maybe this construct will help us find a way to do that without anyone feeling bullied. On 2/28/22 08:19, Steve Smith wrote: Glen wrote,

[FRIAM] Feed the birds (and grow some sunflowers)

Cody - Thanks, what an interesting twist Every spring I spread sunflower seeds over any fresh snow.   Most of them feed the birds (and other critters) but every summer I get sunflowers sprouting in places I didn't expect.   It seems like a good symbolic thing for Ukranians to do would be

Re: [FRIAM] war footing

I like this conception, something ill-formed like this has been brewing inside of me also. I thought COVID would be an opportunity to refactor lots of things from noticing how much relief wildlife (esp.  whales?) experienced from our "cooling our jets" to  making telecommuting a reality for th

Re: [FRIAM] war footing

rump as President. And I'm a relatively well-off white male in a relatively trustworthy democracy. What hope do those fed up with Putin and his government have? Only the hopes of coming years, if not decades of poverty, protesting, and bearing the risk of dying in jail or at the hands of

Re: [FRIAM] war footing

;t win the socio-cultural or climate war that way. We need tactics that unify the geographically/politically *perforated* in-group as a network, not according to artificial nationalist citizenhood and such. The phrase "hearts and minds" helps, but isn't concrete enough. On

[FRIAM] sex/gender combinatorics: was academic freedom

On 3/4/22 2:59 PM, glen wrote: Well, what this seems to ignore is that sex/gender attitudes do change. In support of this I have myriad of my own anecdotes which might not have much universal appeal.   An overview:  I grew up with the idea (learned from my subculture) that "gay" or "homo(sex

Re: [FRIAM] what's the view from Europe?

On 3/4/22 8:29 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: https://twitter.com/Kasparov63/status/1499440540290584583 I started watching this guy (Beau of the Fifth Column) semi-regularly months ago even though his affect triggers a lot of my attempts to ignore my own redneck roots.   I don't think I've mentio

Re: [FRIAM] what's the view from Europe?

pens later there are going to be a lot of dead Ukrainians.  At this point I wouldn’t be surprised if he wants it to be a radioactive DMZ. Marcus [1] https://www.russiamatters.org/analysis/escalate-deescalate-part-russias-nuclear-toolbox *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Steve Smith *Sent:* Satur

Re: [FRIAM] what's the view from Europe?

real-time... Someone seems to be driving the pan/zoom on the one in Karkiev where the missile strikes are coming in. Also on youtubelive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6pvh49jSNM On 3/5/22 11:03 PM, Steve Smith wrote: https://livebeachcam.net/kharkiv-ukraine-live-webcam/

Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics

And thanks to both of you for this fuzzy-thread that runs through a lot of your discussions here.  I don't feel intellectually (or focusly) capable of parsing everything here offered out to the fringe/fray at the edge of the implicative network offered.  Not even a spanning-tree of it most of t

Re: [FRIAM] Patriotic Millionaires

On 3/7/22 2:17 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote: Do any tax return forms have an item that says, "Gift to the US Treasury"?  It might work. I can't remember the year I quit ignoring the "give $1 to the US Presidential Election Fund" because I "didn't want to encourage the Bastards" and started checki

Re: [FRIAM] Patriotic Millionaires

I was tempted to start a new thread, but this one has become so frayed (as our threads oft do) that it feels it doesn't really matter. I mentioned a couple of times an evacuation effort by Mary's nephew&wife in Wisconsin of a young woman they hosted in an exchange program a few years ago.   He

Re: [FRIAM] Patriotic Millionaires

DaveW - My 77 year old ex-wife was asking me how to join the fray. She had researched plane tickets, but her passport is dated and she was asking if that would prevent her from going there. I have a very good friend, Ukrainian living in Moscow wrestling with the dilemma of giving up his prof

Re: [FRIAM] Z

My monkey mind jumped to Z for Zorro (probably not near and dear to the Russian literary/cinematic heart) and half of the antichiral sauwistika 卍... or vaguely referential to Putin's claim that he is removing "Nazis" from the Ukraine gov't. Or maybe Z for Zalensky, their presumed "prime target"

Re: [FRIAM] Patriotic Millionaires

On 3/10/22 10:34 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: Decentralization and cryptographic methods will make it harder to find the organizers!I'd still like a sticker I could put on my car. Back in the day when all we could get worked up over was little Donny Trump, I wanted to create a "Pie Trump" se

Re: [FRIAM] Patriotic Millionaires

On 3/10/22 12:29 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: < I don't think the kid gloves of pies and poop-bags would be enough to heckle Putin off the World Stage.   Though it might still be for the likes of T, Gaetz, Greene, etc. > Tungsten rods from orbit, man. Not lightweight/high temperature ceramic f

Re: [FRIAM] Enamine

On 3/11/22 8:18 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: ... The maximalist MAD scenario is a made-up thing. I'm not sure how to parse this.  Not possible (technically) or not likely (sociopolitically)? Is your belief that there is no scenario where those who hold nuclear weapons cannot launch enough to

Re: [FRIAM] Enamine

On 3/11/22 10:29 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: < Meanwhile let's argue about the details of the tech to use H2 as a storage/transportation alternative to fossil fuels and keep on endorsing the stacking of the house of cards higher and higher, because after all, like the tower of babel we will eve

Re: [FRIAM] Sunshine protection act

On 3/15/22 3:29 PM, Gillian Densmore wrote: Please pass https://www.cnet.com/culture/senate-unanimously-passes-bill-to-make-daylight-saving-time-permanent/ I had to google that this wasn't early April fools, or that I was misreading things. except they got it backwards?   People who *like*

Re: [FRIAM] and don’t miss this

I think I am glad that Musk's challenge didn't bubble up all over the popular media.   While I think it was a typical Musk move, and may have some significant psyops value, there is no way in hell it is his place to claim to represent Ukraine or whatever bloc of interests that surround them.  

[FRIAM] human side of the Ukraine crisis

Mary's nephew's "charge", Vlada made it to Warsaw most of a week ago from a small farm east of Kiev.   She has established a network of support and (new) friends among the refugees there. The goFundMe cash they gathered was very helpful to this effort and being crowdsourced, the load was shared

[FRIAM] continued preaching

I just got notice from a colleague in Sweden who I met on the visit Merle coordinated in 2019: https://idg-2022.confetti.events/?fbclid=IwAR2Ak5abD4trDWOrZwXZ3t4CPFiwwZVCZFKIajb3QyB73w2yLh6jkX3Rhp8 this is hosted by the Inner Development Goals group: https://www.innerdevelopmentgoals.org/ Mo

Re: [FRIAM] altered states of consciousness

Something I've been interested in since the earliest days of open-sourcing and crowd sourcing has been the challenge of making sure the data collected, and to some extent the synthetic and analytic products thereof remain not only in the public domain but also to be facilitated as aggressively

Re: [FRIAM] Sunshine protection act

ipedia.org/wiki/Stop_the_World On Wed, Mar 16, 2022, 3:03 PM Gillian Densmore wrote: On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 5:34 PM Steve Smith wrote: On 3/15/22 3:29 PM, Gillian Densmore wrote: > Please pass > https://www.cnet.com/culture/senate-unanimously-passes-

Re: [FRIAM] Sunshine protection act

On Thu, Mar 17, 2022, 1:00 PM cody dooderson wrote: For those of you who don't get all of your news from XKCD, https://xkcd.com/2594 . On Wed, Mar 16, 2022, 3:03 PM Gillian Densmore wrote: On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 5:34 PM Steve Smith wrote:

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: We just launched Russian Asset Tracker, most complete database to date

I did some work with a couple of Ukranians maybe 6-8 years ago who were phenomenally competent and motivated and clever.   I got the strong sense that "relaxed constraints" was a strong accelerant for their capability/motivation.    The project was roughly designing no-rectangular LCD panels (a

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: We just launched Russian Asset Tracker, most complete database to date

Marcus shared: Steve wrote: “Their offices are in Kiev... they are likely doing advanced skunkworks resistance projects in their labs right now... “ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/03/starlink-helps-ukraines-elite-drone-unit-target-and-destroy-russian-tanks/ < The Ukrainian unit's

Re: [FRIAM] Ordinary logic

 Frank - Formal logic is not a god but exists independently of nervous systems. A -> B   <->   -B -> -A But is it *relevant* to anything independent of (central?) nervous systems? I know this isn't precisely what you meant, but I would suggest that formal logic and gods have more in common

Re: [FRIAM] Ordinary logic

this discussion lead my free-associative, somewhat atrophied brain (or is it mind?) back to this paper: Digital Information Mechanics, Edward Fredkin 1981 http://52.7.130.124/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/PhysicistModelofComputation.pdf which I was surprised to find online (I think I have

Re: [FRIAM] self and next*

On 4/4/22 10:59 AM, glen wrote: I wish I knew of a way to navigate metanarratives methodically: In Hungary, Viktor Orbán Remakes an Election to His Liking https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/31/world/europe/hungary-viktor-orban-election.html Glen - Virtually every conversation here coming from

Re: [FRIAM] Selective cultural processes generate adaptive heuristics

-- rec --    wrote: Science week before last, mixed in with the telomere-to-telomere human genome, https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abo0713 discusses Thompson /et al./ (/3/ ) describe taking an experimental appr

Re: [FRIAM] Selective cultural processes generate adaptive heuristics

Marcus - Steve writes: < Arguments for generational rather than Individual/personal growth and transformation... “I don’t think we should try to have people live for a really long time,” Musk recently told Insider. “It would cause asphyxiation of society because the truth is, m

Re: [FRIAM] Selective cultural processes generate adaptive heuristics

Glen - Your use of "regret" is a dead giveaway to your narrativity. A regret operator (even in formal settings) is only useful in contexts that assume both free-will and narrativity. I don't know that *I* experience a lot of regret, mostly because I recognize that anything I might "regret" in

Re: [FRIAM] Selective cultural processes generate adaptive heuristics

er" <https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/54968118-the-code-breaker?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=thyyPCBQL6&rank=1>on CRISPR and Doudna's life-story.  With all the chatter here about post/trans-humanism, I had expected to see others reporting on this book here?

Re: [FRIAM] Selective cultural processes generate adaptive heuristics

On 4/12/22 12:19 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: The contrast between fewer replication cycles of vampires that live thousands of years vs. many generations of short-lived mortals seems related.. Is the walk deep and informative, or is the key thing to stay away from attractors? If there are truly b

Re: [FRIAM] Selective cultural processes generate adaptive heuristics

is related to the amount of space the parallel system uses. Another way to think of it is the project management triangle: cheap, fast, or good. But those are low-dimensional. The space being balanced by organisms in the world is high-dimensional. On 4/12/22 14:19, Steve Smith wrote: G

Re: [FRIAM] Selective cultural processes generate adaptive heuristics

lel system uses. Another way to think of it is the project management triangle: cheap, fast, or good. But those are low-dimensional. The space being balanced by organisms in the world is high-dimensional. On 4/12/22 14:19, Steve Smith wrote: Generations past (and under-mobile near-subsis

Re: [FRIAM] Selective cultural processes generate adaptive heuristics

, broken record) the parallelism theorem. Sure, a sequential system can simulate a parallel one perfectly, but only if you give it the time to do so ... and the amount of time it takes to do it is related to the amount of space the parallel system uses. Another way to think of it is the project manag

Re: [FRIAM] Selective cultural processes generate adaptive heuristics

ystem of Evolution.  Some may believe that Engineering replaces Evolution as a means of progress/innovation. -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2022 7:22 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Selective cultural processes generate a

Re: [FRIAM] Selective cultural processes generate adaptive heuristics

But, studying those neural representations could also be informative.   What if neural structures have similar topological properties given some curriculum?  What a waste to create that neural structure over and over.. -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Tues

Re: [FRIAM] Selective cultural processes generate adaptive heuristics

/22 20:43, Marcus Daniels wrote: Today, humans go to some length to record history, to preserve companies and their assets. But for some reason preserving the means to do things -- the essence of a mind -- this has this different status. Why not seek to inherit minds too? Sure, I can see

Re: [FRIAM] Selective cultural processes generate adaptive heuristics

e crack cocaine, etc. But (Everything in moderation) implies that whatever it is you choose to do should be in moderation. On 4/13/22 12:05, Steve Smith wrote: I think you are (accidentally?) winning me over to the post/trans-humanist fetish.   Just your talk of "play" and real

Re: [FRIAM] Selective cultural processes generate adaptive heuristics

on of "everything in moderation" depends on where you put the parentheses. (Everything) (in moderation) implies you *should* do just a little bit of everything ... a little sky diving ... a little body modification ... a little Christianity ... a little crack cocaine, etc. But (Everything in

Re: [FRIAM] A new heat engine with no moving parts is as efficient as a steam turbine

Cody - That would be good for a concentrated solar array. Do you have any idea how it works? https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2019JPhD...52A5501O/abstract I always wondered if (when) someone would achieve this... as the article alludes, the effect is similar to the visible-spectrum PV we are

Re: [FRIAM] A million year old driving assistant

On 4/24/22 12:31 PM, Jochen Fromm wrote: I am reading at the moment the German translation of "The Museum of Abandoned Secrets" from the Ukrainian writer Oksana Zabuzhko. It is a long novel about the history of Ukraine. She writes sentences as long as pages where one metaphor follows the next

[FRIAM] Devils Dictionary

On the topic of recent books and local authors: I just finished Steven Kotler's latest work of Fiction - "The Devil's Dictionary ".  Kotler, who some of you may know lived here (near Chimayo on their Rancho de Chihuahua dog-res

Re: [FRIAM] Lancet article on how well countries appear to have protected and appear to have reported

I don't feel qualified to understand much of this study nor how good of science it is, but taking it at face value, I find it fascinating that the gist of the introduction is that the attribution of death to COVID-19 is likely under-reported rather than over-reported as many of the wingnuts who

Re: [FRIAM] those annoying vegetarians

US egg factory roasts alive 5.3m chickens in avian flu cull – then fires almost every worker https://www.theguardian.com/science/2022/apr/28/egg-factory-avian-flu-chickens-culled-workers-fired-iowa If that's not an argument to stop eating chicken and eggs, I don't know what is. Jesus. Or

Re: [FRIAM] A million year old driving assistant

I'm waiting for this discussion to come full circle to an ideation of what kinds of road-rage modes self-driving cars might have built in (or develop)?   Or coping modes when (using Marcus' example) someone else practicing road-rage gets in it's awareness envelope.   I can just see a self-drivi

Re: [FRIAM] A million year old driving assistant

My own self-analysis around this is that when I *do* find myself in a Freak-Out, that there is a meta-level strategy in play... that the Freak-Out represents  adding heat in the annealing sense to break out of a local minima, and/or "tunneling" for the same reason...   ignoring my manners/polit

Re: [FRIAM] Mea Maxima culpa

Nick - Independent of the topic you are trying to support and the distortion of speech-to-txt transliteration, it is good to hear your "voice" here on the list.    I myself am about to hit the road for a long trip and with any luck will be entirely unmotivated to stick my anecdotes into every

Re: [FRIAM] Psychedelics

re: https://psychedelicscience.org It looks like Denver is carving a niche for itself as an early adopter/investigator in recreational drug normalization.   My younger daughter moved to Denver just about the time they were holding Marijuana Festivals (meetings) leading up to the decriminalizat

Re: [FRIAM] Mea Maxima culpa

Nick - https://www.amazon.com/Foldable-Bluetooth-Keyboard-Touchpad-Rechargeable/dp/B07XMM1XJV?th=1 I use one very similar to this (with my Android Phone as well as with an Android mini-projector).   I also sometimes screencast my phone to my WiFi TV...   in principle, your phone becomes a dece

Re: [FRIAM] quotes and questions

Another great Glen-Rant (in response/reaction/opposition/apposition/complement to a DaveW-Rant)! I was struck by the ambiguity of the various dichotomies DaveW as referencing, myself.  I went the other way, enjoying the *myriad* forms of opposition, apposition, complement,  contrast, etc.  tha

Re: [FRIAM] quotes and questions

Zingale wrote: """Negation is a stupid concept, perhaps the most Evil human invention ... maybe 2nd only to religion""" Totally. Curse you Hegel (whereever you are). Also, I add the concept of limit to that list. Curse you Zeno! (whereever you are at this split-instant)! OpenPGP_0xFD82820D

Re: [FRIAM] quotes and questions

REC wrote: But Zeno is always between wheres, and it takes forever to list the digits of any split-instant. that sounds totally irrational! or should we blame (invoke) Heisenberg instead? Ram Dass  argues "Be Here Now" but how do Z and H factor into that statement? OpenPGP_0xFD82820D1

Re: [FRIAM] quotes and questions

glen sed: Exactly! That's the point. By denouncing negation, I'm ultimately denouncing contradiction in all it's horrifying forms. It's judo, not karate. And yet you are this list's ultimate contrarian which makes the paradox/contradiction of it all the self-negating perfection one could ho

Re: [FRIAM] quotes and questions

tract equations. However, the right-brain apprehension of "reality" is the totality of the experience of sitting in the spa and feeling the bubbles and jets caress your body. >> >> The latter is not expressible in equations. >> >> davew >> >

Re: [FRIAM] quotes and questions

by a system of equations. >> >> McGilchrist would assert that the "reality" that is apprehended by the left-brain is precisely that set of abstract equations. However, the right-brain apprehension of "reality" is the totality of the experience of sitting in the sp

Re: [FRIAM] quotes and questions

On 5/15/22 11:05 AM, Stephen Guerin wrote: ... PS, this send me down a rabbit hole surf on  Political Dualism, Power and Action this Sunday morning. Smells like Neitzche to me. OpenPGP_0xFD82820D1AAECDAE.asc

Re: [FRIAM] quotes and questions

is notable that you separate noise from method and imitation rather than treating it as a combination of the others since "random number generators" are algorithms which "imitate" noise, no? *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Steve Smith *Sent:* Monday, May 16, 2022 2:39 PM *To

Re: [FRIAM] quotes and questions

Glen - [⛧] "Pretending" isn't the best word, here. I mean something more like "suspending disbelief" or "steelmanning". But I'm using "pretend" because it evokes the *play* we do, especially as children. When Renee's granddaughter pretends her Barbie dolls are real people, she's not "faking

Re: [FRIAM] summer reading

At the suggestion of JennyQ I am (re)reading Russel Shorto's "Amsterdam: A History of the Worlds Most Liberal City"... in response to the topic of you interviews and e-mail here, I liked the way he spoke of "freedom" and "liberty" in the context of the formation of Amsterdam and the Netherlands

Re: [FRIAM] quotes and questions

EricS - I don't know if this (or anything else I babble about) is useful, but I offer it anyway in an (usually failed) attempt at succinctness. I do believe that much if not all paradigm-transcending ideas begin as being indistinguishable from mysticism, perhaps by definition.  They exist *o

Re: [FRIAM] quotes and questions

I think I agree with both of you. As Mary and I navigate our way through our great European Vacation, we are both learning how to "read" public transportation, etc.   Since she is much more able to hoof arbitrarily long distances with minimal comfort, a 2km hike to get from one terminal of pub

Re: [FRIAM] the good news is, it will be over soon

On 5/18/22 7:12 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: https://www.deepmind.com/publications/a-generalist-agent I saw that, thought of this list, and am glad you beat me to it.  I won't rattle on anymore about it except to say that I think if it is "almost over" it is in fact, already "long since over", we

Re: [FRIAM] quotes and questions

hers like to behave that way socially and accuse people of things until they vindicate themselves. My preference is for continuous vectors spaces like colors, recognizing that optimizations can be non-convex. -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Wednesday, May 1

Re: [FRIAM] oversight

There is some merit to the aphorism "let them wallow in  their own shit.."   The problem of course is that all that wallowing tends to splash on the spectators and the wallowing always goes on longer than you want it to.  The fullness of time, being what it is (a limit) can sometimes feel forev

Re: [FRIAM] oversight

On 5/20/22 3:45 PM, glen wrote: OK. So then you agree that perhaps overturning Roe is the best thing to happen right now. It gives people an indication of where the right will take us. Things like work for hire, Citizens United, rollbacks of voting rights, immigrant othering, etc. are too abst

Re: [FRIAM] oversight

To  morph and mix these similes, it feels more to me like trying to grab a handful of cloud that is more like chaff but when grasped turns out to be flak. On 5/20/22 11:15 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: < In the last several exchanges, the discussion of engaging with their “ideas” has felt to me

Re: [FRIAM] Peirce, Buddhism, Monism, Behaviorism, oh my!

Jochen wrote: A rainbow in the clouds or a movie in the cinema could be confirmed by other observers, but only for a short time and not subsequently in the time that follows. I particularly like this example because in fact in the sense that "one cannot step in the same river twice" no two ob

Re: [FRIAM] Peirce, Buddhism, Monism, Behaviorism, oh my!

Eric wrote: As for dreams: Plenty of people believe they have had dreams confirmed, both in their own direct experience and in the experiences of others. It really is a much more mirky topic than most give it credit for. around age 16, we lived in a semi-rural area where there was a street b

Re: [FRIAM] not impressed

I saw but didn't follow the link from a thumbnail referencing Musk's father giving (White) So. African ideals credit for his son's success, etc.   I'm not as harsh on Musk as you are, but I get your gist on this and don't disagree in general. It is a sensitive enough topic perhaps but I would

Re: [FRIAM] not impressed

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Re: [FRIAM] materials science

I read a report in the 90s that as LA was getting a grip on their air pollution they discovered that the two greatest contributers to particulates were tire-dust and unburned charcoal lighter fluid! When I drive long distances (dumb idea in it's own right) one of the mental calculations I have

[FRIAM] EU travel

Jochen - I get "mail delivery failed" errors if I try to reply to you directly Steve :-( Maybe the mailbox is full? -J. Original message Oh, you are making a tour through Europe? Nice. Do you plan to visit Berlin or Germany too? -J. Yes, we are on a long visit/tour an

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