Re: [FRIAM] Interview with Jeremy Howard

2021-02-24 Thread jon zingale
I appreciate Jeremy's /spit and elbow grease/ approach to developing his lab, his youthful heart/naivety, and the emphasis he places on architecture and profiling over analytic bounds. His position mostly focuses on the importance of "getting up, getting out, and getting something"

Re: [FRIAM] Interview with Jeremy Howard

2021-02-24 Thread jon zingale
"The result is reasonable pattern recognition which lacks explainability". I would prefer to say *lacks explanation*. Historically, Minsky inadvertently pushed the field's academic development underground for a few decades, but this isn't really enough (IMHO) to establish a pattern of cycles. Whil

Re: [FRIAM] Interview with Jeremy Howard

2021-02-25 Thread jon zingale
I hope his comments didn't stymie you and your group from continuing to make progress on whatever idea y'all were expressing on /Usenet/. If we could only travel back in time and play this later recording

[FRIAM] There is style and then there is mood

2021-02-25 Thread jon zingale
I spent the working day listening to Arvo Pärt and now I am experiencing a not unfamiliar experience. Voicings relegated to the back of my mind auto-hallucinate music not in the style, but in the mood of Pärt. There is no

Re: [FRIAM] There is style and then there is mood

2021-02-26 Thread jon zingale
wonderful! -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http:/

Re: [FRIAM] interactive media bias chart

2021-02-26 Thread jon zingale
To thread bend a little, there is something here in your description of *reduction hysteresis* that sympathizes with my recent reflection on *mood*. The Pärt and the Merlin you sent me are of a kind such that I can listen for a while before habitually producing the same within myself, nothing speci

Re: [FRIAM] Watching a Moose solve a Maze Re: solving mazes

2021-03-01 Thread jon zingale
/Note that this is really slow. Is there a higher performance version of this algorithm?/Cody, This statement piqued my interest. Is there somewhere I can see your code? If this algorithm is anything like /diffusion limited aggregation/ (which at a glance it likely might be) then I suspect there re

Re: [FRIAM] Watching a Moose solve a Maze Re: solving mazes

2021-03-01 Thread jon zingale
Thanks, man! I will take a look and let you know if any ideas pan out. It is a pretty cool model and I am having a bunch of fun watching the little blobs work their way through the "maze". -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . F

Re: [FRIAM] what is math?

2021-03-02 Thread jon zingale
Thanks, Roger. I appreciate the aphorisms that attempt to place mathematics in the context of a larger human project: - The largest coherent artifact that’s been built by civilization. - The longest continuous human thought. but then also, by contrast: - A proto-text whose existence is only post

Re: [FRIAM] what is math?

2021-03-02 Thread jon zingale
Or how about, "The easiest problems humanity has to solve". -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mail

Re: [FRIAM] solving mazes

2021-03-02 Thread jon zingale
Ok, so getting rid of the walls altogether can we imagine these as SteveG's ants? Is there anything more to it? -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.

Re: [FRIAM] Ramsey a pragmatist mathmatician?

2021-03-02 Thread jon zingale
"Suppose aliens invade the earth and threaten to obliterate it in a year's time unless human beings can find the Ramsey number for red five and blue five. We could marshal the world's best minds and fastest computers, and within a year we could probably calculate the value. If the aliens demanded t

Re: [FRIAM] Ramsey a pragmatist mathmatician?

2021-03-03 Thread jon zingale
N, As Marcus suggests, the colorful statement aims to evoke a feeling for the exploding computational complexity associated with the calculation of Ramsey numbers. The Ramsey number is interesting from a complexity perspective because it gives a condition for when to expect a particular kind of pr

Re: [FRIAM] Score one for Wokeism!

2021-03-05 Thread jon zingale
Hannah Arendt (wink to Merle) argues that the flattening (both externally and internally) is perhaps the salient feature of totalitarianism. I find myself often looking for the original reference and unfortunately not finding it. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. .

Re: [FRIAM] Score one for Wokeism!

2021-03-05 Thread jon zingale
I did not mean to suggest a judgement about flattening nor totalitarianism. Rather, in fact, I see totalitarianism as the inevitable consequence of our times (20th-century onward), a manifestation of our highly connected social world and the ability to treat the social as an industrial object. What

Re: [FRIAM] Subjective experience & free will

2021-03-09 Thread jon zingale
"Who would be on your list?" I put more thought into this question over the last week than I thought I would. It is funny what questions bite us. The sad reality is that given a time machine (or better a T.A.R.D.I.S so that I can rely on its translator and mobility in space) I would very quickly r

Re: [FRIAM] RENESAN Course on Big Data

2021-03-09 Thread jon zingale
I would love to attend this someday. Any chance that one could be scheduled outside of my work day? Also, the link goes to some Facebook logout page. Putting `https://renesan.org` explicitly in the browser, however, works fine. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -

Re: [FRIAM] great man theory

2021-03-12 Thread jon zingale
"We turn them into mirrors of our own personal desires" Ah, charisma. Lately, I am toying with the idea that one's degree of charisma is something like the quality of a Rorschach image, some images make for better sources of pareidolia than others. Why? As far as I can reason, charisma in this se

Re: [FRIAM] great man theory

2021-03-12 Thread jon zingale
/*we* make these celebrities/ Celebrity is co-creation. /We/ cannot help but see what we see, /seduced/ by the possibilities afforded by the image. Dually, the image becomes the captive of collective /desire/. What seems worth noting, is the power of a partially-defined image, like with poetry, an

Re: [FRIAM] I am accepting wagers

2021-03-13 Thread jon zingale
""" /I can see a lot more work needed that will never be seen from the public’s side of the system. The 50,000 sites will not be constant. Some new ones will come, and some will go. Hospitals, public health departments, independent as well as chain pharmacies have to feed information into the syste

Re: [FRIAM] I am accepting wagers

2021-03-14 Thread jon zingale
Ha, *bringing some more reality* is what I listen for to know when I have some naysayers on the ropes. Much of the last decade of my career has been working to reconcile data whose interfaces radically vary. Claiming it to be an 11 billion dollar problem is a rhetorical move that smells of *abstrac

Re: [FRIAM] Spandrel

2021-03-15 Thread jon zingale
EricC, What again is the connection between goal orientation and function in the evolutionary theory literature? All I can remember, from this summer when we were discussing it, is that it was a way to distinguish those things selected-for from the spandrels. Not to muddy the waters, but nose *dec

Re: [FRIAM] I am accepting wagers

2021-03-15 Thread jon zingale
To be fair, this thread began with DaveW accepting wagers. I expect there to be bluffing, chesting and posturing. I expect stoggies, jack's to be wild, and for guns to be checked at the door. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-.

Re: [FRIAM] I am accepting wagers

2021-03-15 Thread jon zingale
Pobre? The thread has me thinking about the relationship between *existence proof* and *anecdotal evidence*: player 1: There are no integers between 1 and 5. player 2: I found the number 3. player 1: That's just anecdotal evidence. I worked quite a bit on a variant of the problem outlined, and on

Re: [FRIAM] I am accepting wagers

2021-03-15 Thread jon zingale
Well said, for the most part. The generalizations *do* serve a purpose, the anecdotes as well. From my perspective, performance paralysis is alive and well in our culture and often I am dismayed when for any given subject an individual attempts expertise-passing by claiming impossibility. But hey,

Re: [FRIAM] I am accepting wagers

2021-03-15 Thread jon zingale
Sure, who *isn't* wrong. That you are interested in the question, as a question at all, leaves you out of the region of my angst. Additionally, I almost always interpret you as meaning, "Go for it, so long as you doubt". Though, to display here an ontological game involving an infinite tower of nes

Re: [FRIAM] What is Wealth for?

2021-03-15 Thread jon zingale
"Computing Up" is such a good podcast. I keep forgetting that it exists. I love what Dave Ackley is saying here about generalization, it repeats to a strong extent what Deleuze is mining for in *Difference and Repetition*, a pathological (though at times wonderful) obsession with the general (as a

Re: [FRIAM] What is Wealth for?

2021-03-16 Thread jon zingale
I would add that while having wealth allows one to expand one's repertoire, not having wealth fails to be a simple negation. Not having wealth, like burn-out, is to be in conditions that make one less likely to expand repertoire in the future, to be compulsively agreeable for instance. Wage slavery

Re: [FRIAM] What is Wealth for?

2021-03-16 Thread jon zingale
Right. I am not claiming to speak to the hyper-game, but rather something closer to the pooh-rabbit discussion. I feel that I am witnessing sciency-minded analytic types groping around for what other modalities exist, still will one foot on the "If there were a different kind of rigorous thinking,

Re: [FRIAM] Spandrel

2021-03-16 Thread jon zingale
Well, I will validate your ignorance with my own. That the organism is evolving as a whole is where I am as well. I am not sure if you read my variation on the sober-sorter with divisibility above, but I think it could offer insight into why there is enough stability that we can afford to perceive

Re: [FRIAM] What is Wealth for?

2021-03-16 Thread jon zingale
"Focusing on that inappropriate reduction *is* the point" Is exactly the point. One could begin to describe the world synthetically by reaching for some tools like distance, or one can analyze by factoring the world into a tool like distance. Both are available as interpretations. Heidegger is con

Re: [FRIAM] What is Wealth for?

2021-03-18 Thread jon zingale
"You make up stories as horrible as that?" -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/fria

Re: [FRIAM] What is Wealth for?

2021-03-19 Thread jon zingale
so freaking cute. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC

Re: [FRIAM] Friday Fodder

2021-03-24 Thread jon zingale
""" I feel like I completely understand your problem, but cannot solve it. You point to, what is for me, the most bemusing problem in evolutionary theory, the evolution of natural selection. Given the developmental entanglement of traits, how do they become modules for the purpose of selection.

[FRIAM] Hywel's anti-representationalism

2021-03-24 Thread jon zingale
>From time to time, I find myself reflecting on the wisdom of my old friend Hywel, and this time in particular, on the anti-representational nature of his epistemology. Hywel was well known for his aphorisms and most famously the declaration that: "Mathematics is fine, but it is better to know wha

Re: [FRIAM] Friday Fodder

2021-03-24 Thread jon zingale
The idea isn't all that clear to me. I am still trying to understand the various concepts and perspectives in play. What follows is a first-order attempt. I can sympathize with the need for Gibsonians to disambiguate experience. There is a need to state direct experience because the discussion is h

Re: [FRIAM] Friday Fodder

2021-03-24 Thread jon zingale
FWIW, I interpret such flux as fascial. My skin is not made of an infinity of points, it is a sheet that confers aggregate information. The prepared mind, the situated body, whatever. There is some limited subject, limited in its ability to know what there is to know, but embodied in the world none

Re: [FRIAM] Hywel's anti-representationalism

2021-03-24 Thread jon zingale
Rad. I am listening to it now. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.co

Re: [FRIAM] Instructional scaffolding - Wikipedia

2021-03-26 Thread jon zingale
This week, thanks to my friend Zeke, I have been thinking about a fairly well-known data compression algorithm called LZW. Unlike Huffman codes, which rely on an apriori knowledge of character frequencies, LZW *Scaffolds* it's adaptive process by constructing a dictionary. While this dictionary is

[FRIAM] Future Generating Machines...

2021-03-28 Thread jon zingale
A Sunday scratch for your dystopian itch. Plastic Pills on Deleuze - Control Societies & Cybernetic Posthumanism. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hu4Cq_-bLlY&ab_channel=PlasticPills -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM A

Re: [FRIAM] Future Generating Machines...

2021-03-29 Thread jon zingale
So, it didn't scratch your Sunday dystopian itch. How about that. Monday! -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://re

Re: [FRIAM] Future Generating Machines...

2021-03-29 Thread jon zingale
One thing that strikes me about the three stages of society outlined in the thesis (sovereign, disciplinary, control) is that they exist as a chain of generalizations. A prototype of each preceding term is included in the latter, paralleling what an algebraist might call exact, each earlier stage a

Re: [FRIAM] robots

2021-03-29 Thread jon zingale
For sure, a life without gluteus maximus is not worth living. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/ma

Re: [FRIAM] "I have come to bury Ayn Rand"

2021-03-29 Thread jon zingale
A wonderful read. Thanks. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRI

Re: [FRIAM] is "assault rifle" a red herring?

2021-03-30 Thread jon zingale
Ditto. Potent and inspired. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com F

Re: [FRIAM] Free Will in the Atlantic

2021-04-02 Thread jon zingale
""" Was the murder a necessary consequence of holistic trajectory of the evolving universe? If so, then "free will" is just a perception as Nick and this paper argue. A high-order reactive set of functions are still just that. """ Arguably we would need to be able to calculate such a thing, no?

Re: [FRIAM] Free Will in the Atlantic

2021-04-02 Thread jon zingale
Where there are ways there is will. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfi

Re: [FRIAM] Free Will in the Atlantic

2021-04-02 Thread jon zingale
Localizing water to the molecule and then abstracting it to its objective form is to bracket all that might be interesting about the fate of the thing localized, the abstraction being an abstraction from the universes unfolding. I wouldn't conclude that H20 has a will, but for me, it would be becau

Re: [FRIAM] Free Will in the Atlantic

2021-04-02 Thread jon zingale
Functions beget functions, but without cartesian closedness, the functions remain metaphysical. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam

Re: [FRIAM] Free Will in the Atlantic

2021-04-02 Thread jon zingale
I would say no if you can provide me the function. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listi

Re: [FRIAM] Free Will in the Atlantic

2021-04-02 Thread jon zingale
Along similar lines as DaveW, I make no case for *free will*. I wish to point out where metaphysical appeals are introduced in the process of establishing determinism. It appears to me that ours is one where we need to wait for the future to happen before we can account for it. Whenever we guess co

Re: [FRIAM] Free Will in the Atlantic

2021-04-02 Thread jon zingale
Discussions of *free will and determinism* almost always appear to me as latent discussions about metaphysics. In the thread up to now, there have emerged several different perspectives and so we are confronted by the question of what it is each of us wants from and for such concepts. Each want jus

Re: [FRIAM] Free Will in the Atlantic

2021-04-05 Thread jon zingale
"I claim in the free will case that all generating functions are not as likely." Not only is there structure all around us to be studied, but that the arrival of these structures is also not random. That is, there exists some privileged generating function, and by calculating the auto-mutual inf

Re: [FRIAM] Morse Code

2021-04-05 Thread jon zingale
Fun. A coworker pointed out to me last week that debounce is a low-pass filter. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe htt

Re: [FRIAM] Free Will in the Atlantic

2021-04-05 Thread jon zingale
Not only did humans not "program" the "algorithm" for flocking, our ABMs say nothing about what future flocking will be. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GM

Re: [FRIAM] Free Will in the Atlantic

2021-04-05 Thread jon zingale
That can be manipulated by those with the will to do it, or are you saying will eventually be manipulated? -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/vi

Re: [FRIAM] Free Will in the Atlantic

2021-04-05 Thread jon zingale
All of which an agent will come to be modified by or not, no? -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/ma

Re: [FRIAM] Free Will in the Atlantic

2021-04-05 Thread jon zingale
"Does better living through chemicals modify an agent? Well, I'm certainly a caffeine addict." ...and from the point of view of determinism, it would not have been any other way. A fact of the world. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-.

Re: [FRIAM] Free Will in the Atlantic

2021-04-05 Thread jon zingale
"Yes, of course." So, I am not even sure we identify "caffeine" or "you" from the grand tapestry, that would require either: 1. things being some other way. 2. the "same" thing repeating. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . F

Re: [FRIAM] Free Will in the Atlantic

2021-04-05 Thread jon zingale
/"Some boundaries are harder to delineate than others."/ In an effort, along the same lines as my response to your generating functions from earlier , I will try to flesh out the two points: Assumption: All

Re: [FRIAM] Free Will in the Atlantic

2021-04-05 Thread jon zingale
""" In a world that has no regularities at all, there is no benefit in trying to find system-level mappings between action and reaction because will just be different every time.Our friend Will is tasked with navigating this impossible space, but it is impossible as defined? If there are some

Re: [FRIAM] Free Will in the Atlantic

2021-04-05 Thread jon zingale
"Or do we assert, as the Free Will contingent do, that Will is above the fray?" Will is above this time with respect to that thing and other times not, perhaps? Some have mentioned Spinoza on this (or threads like it) and since it is Jochen's thread, I name him. It's pantheism all the way down.

Re: [FRIAM] lockdowns

2021-04-07 Thread jon zingale
Oh, let me comprehend the ways. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.c

Re: [FRIAM] lockdowns

2021-04-07 Thread jon zingale
""" /I did the best job I could to determine/ my personal risk in my personal context and based my actions accordingly. I took into account what the "experts had to say," but critically and with, what counts for me, some common sense. """ Same, and perhaps similarly, I found the public health guide

Re: [FRIAM] Free Will in the Atlantic

2021-04-07 Thread jon zingale
"Or do we assert, as the Free Will contingent do, that Will is above the fray?" Ok, so I continue to struggle with what it is that concerns me about the assumption of determinism. Marcus's point about the loci of *will* requires serious consideration. From where I stand, arguments opposing free wi

Re: [FRIAM] Free Will in the Atlantic

2021-04-07 Thread jon zingale
"What is this pantheism and why can't we take it apart or study it?" FWIW, I am also an atheist and I feel that I never had a choice in being any other way. The free will-determinism discussion seems to happen seasonally on Friam and it provides an opportunity to reason differently. This round has

[FRIAM] Germany edges closer toward selecting its first Green party chancellor

2021-04-19 Thread jon zingale
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFE4G7IEuGc&ab_channel=DWNews -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/ma

Re: [FRIAM] water, again (was murder offsets)

2021-04-20 Thread jon zingale
""" On just one, for the accident that it overlaps with another factoid.His comment that superheroes: 1. Are magic == special 2. Preserve the status quo """ Ugh, superhero movies. The fascination for some of my friends seems tobe a mixture of canonization (when will this or that character finallyfi

Re: [FRIAM] water, again (was murder offsets)

2021-04-21 Thread jon zingale
""" But another aspect in which they can be problematic is, how is it that these special individuals are using their power? Because one of the things that I’m always interested in, when thinking about stories, is, is a story about reinforcing the status quo, or is it about overturning the status qu

Re: [FRIAM] interjection from another conversation

2021-04-22 Thread jon zingale
"craziness as a limitation of creativity, not as a maker thereof." Irving Langmuir comes to mind. As far as I can tell, his particular genius was not burdened by *equal and opposite suffering*. I would suppose that there are many such examples, maybe even typical. OTOH, I can see the fascination w

Re: [FRIAM] Tweet from XKCD Comic (@xkcdComic)

2021-04-22 Thread jon zingale
I see your: and raise you a: -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/- . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays

Re: [FRIAM] types of knowledge

2021-04-22 Thread jon zingale
"They're not trying to *fix* the thing so much as bathing in its beauty." I love this observation, universals like beauty are grounded by being in the world. "To entice them into such jobs with money is impoverished" While I mostly agree, I cannot help but notice that (by the numbers given in th

Re: [FRIAM] types of knowledge

2021-04-22 Thread jon zingale
You should go to school, Frank. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.c

Re: [FRIAM] types of knowledge

2021-04-22 Thread jon zingale
Wait till you get to calculus. Math works that way, you know. Levels. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfis

Re: [FRIAM] types of knowledge

2021-04-22 Thread jon zingale
""" including dangerous delusions like "the self", "free will", or "truth". """ Dangerous to whom? I rather like ideas, nature seems full of them. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Z

Re: [FRIAM] ha! more on water

2021-04-23 Thread jon zingale
It would like it if they unpacked "not large enough to affect daily life". -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://r

Re: [FRIAM] the peril of toxic comestibles

2021-04-24 Thread jon zingale
Perhaps, Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegetables. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/fr

Re: [FRIAM] semi-idle question

2021-04-26 Thread jon zingale
I pressed a similar argument for CRISPR on vFriam this week. If the socially responsible thing to do is to vaccinate for COVID-19, then perhaps it is even more socially responsible to CRISPR away all potential to contract the virus for future generations. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nab

Re: [FRIAM] (no subject)

2021-04-26 Thread jon zingale
""" I like what Leslie Valiant has to say in PAC, as a way of framing theissues, even though I know he is a punching bag for the geneticistsbecause of various things they understand as important that he isn’ttrying to understand deeply or deal with. I don’t care that he hadlimitations; the questio

Re: [FRIAM] semi-idle question

2021-04-26 Thread jon zingale
Ha! or cereal as a more explicity /evolutionary operator/ as in the sense of Kellogg: reference 1 reference 2

Re: [FRIAM] What makes you who you are?

2021-04-28 Thread jon zingale
I tend to agree. The singular exists and is different in kind from the particular. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe

Re: [FRIAM] Natures_Queer_Performativity_the_authori.pdf

2021-04-29 Thread jon zingale
This article makes me think that I would enjoy a course in queer studies. I am interested to see how tools developed there are utilized and how such analyses can provide insight into questions of boundary, object, and identity. I am not sure of many other fields of study where there is such an expl

Re: [FRIAM] Natures_Queer_Performativity_the_authori.pdf

2021-04-29 Thread jon zingale
"Psychoanalysis has much to say about boundary, object, and identity." Admittedly, I am biased against psychoanalysis[♄] but if you would kindly hum a few bars showing how you can see psychoanalytic methods used to clarify ideas of boundary, object, and identity in the examples brought up by Barad

Re: [FRIAM] Natures_Queer_Performativity_the_authori.pdf

2021-04-29 Thread jon zingale
Literacy is hard. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC

Re: [FRIAM] Natures_Queer_Performativity_the_authori.pdf

2021-04-29 Thread jon zingale
""" How can we tell which comment you are being snarky about if you don't include the thing you are responding to. """ For instance. Ah, coping. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zo

Re: [FRIAM] Natures_Queer_Performativity_the_authori.pdf

2021-04-29 Thread jon zingale
Thanks, Glen, and it is general. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.

Re: [FRIAM] Natures_Queer_Performativity_the_authori.pdf

2021-04-29 Thread jon zingale
Frank, To some extent, your response is indicative of the psychoanalytic ends I criticize, the mommy-daddy-me Oedipal construction. Rather than pick up on the opportunity presented by the conversation to engage in an act of creativity (contributing to a forum), you use your agency to make an autho

Re: [FRIAM] Natures_Queer_Performativity_the_authori.pdf

2021-04-29 Thread jon zingale
Frank, There is no disappointment beyond what I have come to expect it. It simply seemed an opportunity to elaborate on a theme. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-1

Re: [FRIAM] Natures_Queer_Performativity_the_authori.pdf

2021-04-30 Thread jon zingale
At times, I miss living near Reed. Sometime in my twenties, my friends Ralf and Allison and I rented a car and drove to Columbus Ohio where we heard that John Griggs Thompson was to speak. None of us felt like springing for a hotel room and decided instead to drink coffee and eat donuts at Buckeye

Re: [FRIAM] Natures_Queer_Performativity_the_authori.pdf

2021-04-30 Thread jon zingale
"The villagers with pitch forks won't distinguish between Karen Barad and David Deutsch." Arguably, we don't now. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 b

Re: [FRIAM] Natures_Queer_Performativity_the_authori.pdf

2021-04-30 Thread jon zingale
"Your story is only intelligible if you understand the participants as rational." Thanks for appreciating it, Nick. I find your claim to be a bold claim. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group list

Re: [FRIAM] Natures_Queer_Performativity_the_authori.pdf

2021-04-30 Thread jon zingale
Mmm, long division is an interesting one. Who am I to say how things must be proved, but the proofs of the division algorithm with which I am familiar involve the well-ordering principle. There, in this one idea, lies two problematic details: 1. The non-algebraic nature of the well-ordering princi

Re: [FRIAM] Natures_Queer_Performativity_the_authori.pdf

2021-04-30 Thread jon zingale
Origami is kind of amazing. I find it fascinating, that in principle, we can encode messages via elliptic curve methods in traditional paper folds . -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/- . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ...

[FRIAM] Einstein and Bergson on Time

2021-04-30 Thread jon zingale
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztruZVkMoek&ab_channel=ChicagoHumanitiesFestival -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe ht

Re: [FRIAM] Natures_Queer_Performativity_the_authori.pdf

2021-04-30 Thread jon zingale
Yes, but what would a mathematician say. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_

Re: [FRIAM] Natures_Queer_Performativity_the_authori.pdf

2021-04-30 Thread jon zingale
Again, an attempt to draw more. Much ink has been spilled over the axiom of choice, the maximal principal of Zorn (wrath?), and the well-ordering principle. Here is a chance to spill more. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . F

Re: [FRIAM] New brain research fine 11 dimensions. Good read.

2021-05-02 Thread jon zingale
No, D-branes. Jk. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC

Re: [FRIAM] The case for universal basic income UBI

2021-05-04 Thread jon zingale
""" The very little Marxism I know tells me that it is the "triumph" of capitalism to reduce all relationships to money. """ To reduce all relationships to money is an operation that seeks to objectify things via construal as scalar valuations. That is, two things are considered the same if they

Re: [FRIAM] The case for universal basic income UBI

2021-05-04 Thread jon zingale
Whether de-objectification, projection pursuit, scaffold-hopping , or asignifying rupture, I am all for germs guiding what follows. Let the capitalists see nails, for who here hasn't opened a beer with a hammer? -- Sent

Re: [FRIAM] The case for universal basic income UBI

2021-05-04 Thread jon zingale
or a BIC? Hopefully, without bending an otherwise interesting thread, I will hint at what IMO might be a serious response to your troll. I was thinking about the rhizomatic nature of both category theory and semiotics. In both the first case, a la the Lawverian approach to foundations, and in the

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