Re: [FRIAM] Mission to Abisko

2020-06-02 Thread Jon Zingale
Dave, My copy of *Mission to Abisko* finally arrived. Is there a particular story that would be good to begin with? Jon -- --- .-. . .-.. --- -.-. -.- ... -..-. .- .-. . -..-. - . -..-. . ... ... . -. - .. .- .-.. -..-. .-- --- .-. -.- . .-. ... FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom

Re: [FRIAM] Santa Fe Plaza Riot

2020-06-03 Thread Jon Zingale
Steve, I personally find the Santa Fe police force to be very good at being empathetic and encouraging peaceful conflict. As someone who has spent half of my life living in dense urban centers, I often feel a responsibility to witness when I see police interactions with others. Moving to Santa Fe

Re: [FRIAM] Santa Fe Plaza Riot

2020-06-03 Thread Jon Zingale
Glen, Ha! That's pretty good. Yes, I do use a Gmail email client, in-part because I haven't yet figured out registering on the list-server. I suspect there are natural limits to humans becoming some-kind-of homogenous biofilm, and that it is in some ways evidenced by the differences found internal

Re: [FRIAM] Santa Fe Plaza Riot

2020-06-03 Thread Jon Zingale
Marcus, Your comment about televisions is part of my point about resources and energy. I see the massive institutions and structures that are in place to bring me globally syndicated programming as being *expensive* and doing *what it can* to constrain difference. Yet, places strike me as being re

Re: [FRIAM] Santa Fe Plaza Riot

2020-06-03 Thread Jon Zingale
Glen, I finally set up my subscription and this is an attempt to reply. Jon -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ -- --- .-. . .-.. --- -.-. -.- ... -..-. .- .-. . -..-. - . -..-. . ... ... . -. - .. .- .-.

Re: [FRIAM] In the garden of beasts

2020-06-03 Thread Jon Zingale
Jochen, Barry, I would love to learn to oil paint well. Sometimes, when I am feeling very ambitious I will sit with acrylics. Other times, color pencils and a nice drafting pen. Before the pandemic hit, St. John's College was offering an open-to-the-public weekly life drawing class that would have

Re: [FRIAM] In the garden of beasts

2020-06-03 Thread Jon Zingale
Stephen, You will notice my correction on the thread above. Unfortunately, the edit was not included in the emailed newsletter. Jon -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ -- --- .-. . .-.. --- -.-. -.- ... -..-. .- .-. . -..-. - . -..-. . ... ... . -. - .. .- .-.. -..-. .-- --

Re: [FRIAM] In the garden of beasts

2020-06-03 Thread Jon Zingale
ps. Also, I barely have a sense of humor. It took me an hour to catch the pun, even with the emoji. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ -- --- .-. . .-.. --- -.-. -.- ... -..-. .- .-. . -..-. - . -..-. . ... ... . -. - .. .- .-.. -..-. .-- --- .-. -.- . .-. ... FRIAM Applied

Re: [FRIAM] mathematicians computer graphic-ians — a little? help please

2020-06-04 Thread Jon Zingale
Dave, Sorry-not-sorry to bring up Penrose again. One of my favorite mathematical facts is that generalized Penrose tilings can be seen as a consequence of projecting a 5-dimensional lattice into the plane, where this lattice can be imagined as a tiling o

Re: [FRIAM] Manifold Clarification

2020-06-05 Thread Jon Zingale
I was hoping you would sketch out more of your objection to my claim that the Alexander horned sphere provides an example of a fractal space whose topology is given simply as a sphere. In speech, I can feel pressured to make the best of the few words I have room to express and sometimes at the expe

Re: [FRIAM] A Cloud (Thread?) Never Dies

2020-06-06 Thread Jon Zingale
Frank, Thanks for reminding me about Spivak's Differential Geometry series. They had all 7(?) in the St. John's library, but last year volume one disappeared. Thankfully, I found a pdf online . He mentions a text by my poin

Re: [FRIAM] A Cloud (Thread?) Never Dies

2020-06-06 Thread Jon Zingale
:) Yeah, I just mean because of Covid. Really, I am just joking anyway. They don't need my $40 and I am glad to invest it. I kind of wish you had their copy, then at least it would have a hope of being returned. Maybe they could invest my $40 towards getting a new copy of vol 1. I keep wanting to m

Re: [FRIAM] millenarianism

2020-06-07 Thread Jon Zingale
I sometimes wonder if this is how early arguments about gravity developed. Of course, I could probably go read a book on the historical development of gravity, but I somehow prefer to fantasize. Perhaps some philosophers would argue that if Steve were to suddenly disappear, Nick would continue to f

Re: [FRIAM] millenarianism

2020-06-07 Thread Jon Zingale
Stephen, Thanks for encouraging me to drop down a Wikipedia hole. Somehow I was interested in this data found on the Drone Strikes in Pakistan page: The Bureau of Investigative Journalism

Re: [FRIAM] Tweet from MathType (@MathType)

2020-06-08 Thread Jon Zingale
Kronecker deltas are effectively selection functions. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/lis

Re: [FRIAM] Tweet from MathType (@MathType)

2020-06-08 Thread Jon Zingale
Steve, Tom, The Kronecker delta (or Dirac delta or indicator function depending on context) appears in the technical machinery of mathematics and so does not usually show up meaningfully in the target science of the mathematical theory. The delta is a lot like a projection map (likely dual for tho

Re: [FRIAM] Tweet from MathType (@MathType)

2020-06-08 Thread Jon Zingale
Tom, Reflecting a bit more, there are other places in mathematics where similar ideas arise. Consider a series like: 1 + 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8 + ... mathematicians will often wish to treat these infinite sums as if they were lists. One thing to do with a list is to *pop* the head from the list and ret

Re: [FRIAM] Tweet from MathType (@MathType)

2020-06-08 Thread Jon Zingale
ps. Further down that twitter stream, there is a math problem presented by the UK mathematics trust. The problem is to find the smallest prime which divides (300^300)-1. Using the ideas in my post above we can see that (300^300)-1 is a very large number: 136891479058588375991326027382088315966463

Re: [FRIAM] chicken-egg::gumflap-talk

2020-06-09 Thread Jon Zingale
Glen, It seems to me that you are arguing for a kind of strict materialism. To what ends is defining *the real* important to you? Jon -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9

[FRIAM] No active cases in New Zealand

2020-06-09 Thread Jon Zingale
What it would look like to behave responsibly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTskXsdMwc0 -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/su

Re: [FRIAM] No active cases in New Zealand

2020-06-09 Thread Jon Zingale
zip zap zooey! -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http

Re: [FRIAM] chicken-egg::gumflap-talk

2020-06-09 Thread Jon Zingale
Cool, that gives me some idea. Yeah, Mike Patton is amazing. I saw him on tour with Mr. Bungle in 1999, ridiculous. They covered the Dead Kennedy's "Drug Me" as an encore. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Comp

[FRIAM] Thoughts on the Floyd protests

2020-06-09 Thread Jon Zingale
Like many of you and from an armchair, I am watching protests in the streets. I am watching calls for the defunding of our police, and surprisingly painful responses on all sides. The whole affair leaves me to wonder: 1. Will the efforts to defund the police eventually meet with efforts to build p

Re: [FRIAM] [Swarm-directors] proposal to invest the funds in E*Trade account

2020-06-12 Thread Jon Zingale
This thread is wonderful! -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com arc

Re: [FRIAM] [Swarm-directors] proposal to invest the funds in E*Trade account

2020-06-12 Thread Jon Zingale
Ha! Yeah, that is *exactly* what I am thinking about. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/li

Re: [FRIAM] Tweet from MathType (@MathType)

2020-06-13 Thread Jon Zingale
Tom, Perhaps one of the most common usages of the Kronecker delta, and a usage we skirted in the discussion, is to establish biorthogonality between a vector space and its dual space. The Kronecker delta arises when given an indexed basis and its indexed dual set (which may or may not span the dua

Re: [FRIAM] alternative response

2020-06-14 Thread Jon Zingale
Nick, For what it is worth, I am not even sure we will come to agree on the best way to describe the physics of the natural world. Jon -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays

Re: [FRIAM] alternative response

2020-06-14 Thread Jon Zingale
Marcus, Thanks for turning me onto that book, I just ordered a copy. I had met Conal Elliot some years ago (~13?) at the international functional programming conference in Portland. I had no idea that he was developing work on things like this. Jon -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.c

Re: [FRIAM] alternative response

2020-06-15 Thread Jon Zingale
It seems that the subject of free will is completely bound up in the subject of moral responsibility (especially historically), and often more narrowly bound up with the concept of *good-evil* dualism. While it may have been a useful tool, in ancient times for developing ideas like a criminal justi

Re: [FRIAM] alternative response

2020-06-15 Thread Jon Zingale
Glen says: I don't think free will is bound with (naive) morality at all. It's all about selection functions. Do I turn this way or that. Do I eat some food, go for a run, or read a book. So, I don't see it as "importing" anything. Free will is all about which things are bound and which things are

Re: [FRIAM] alternative response

2020-06-15 Thread Jon Zingale
Glen: What's most interesting about the concept is where selection happens and the scope of its impact. I hesitate to call this free will (except maybe to steal it away from deists as SteveG wishes to do with his notion of god), though I do appreciate your allusions to free and bound variables. To

Re: [FRIAM] consciousness conundrum

2020-06-15 Thread Jon Zingale
One time while sitting at a plaza across from UT campus in Austin, an early-20 something *road dog* decided to drop ketamine beside me. He fell to the ground and proceeded to spit up mucus. His road-dogging partner laughed a bunch before kicking him. In his way, Mr. K. will challenge the world! And

Re: [FRIAM] alternative response

2020-06-15 Thread Jon Zingale
ha! ok, well at least read the article. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_r

[FRIAM] Free online Springer books

2020-06-16 Thread Jon Zingale
Sarah found this: https://hnarayanan.github.io/springer-books/?fbclid=IwAR18zfCdyPsMPg2O_pFS81ZRlMwoHMR14DrIZK058-QPLHFGkwLMZmSDa5I#Mathematics%20and%20Statistics *To help support everyone during Covid-19, Springer has released a ton of free textbooks. This is great, but their web page for this

Re: [FRIAM] Thoughts on the Floyd protests

2020-06-16 Thread Jon Zingale
People on this list probably already read this, but it was new to me. A protester was shot by a member of the *New Mexico Civil Guard*, an armed civilian group, at the Albuquerque protest this week: https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/16/us/protest-wrap-tuesday/index.html The governor's response: https:/

Re: [FRIAM] Free online Springer books

2020-06-16 Thread Jon Zingale
Ha! same. I wanted a physical copy of the AIP journal a paper of mine was in, but I am not a member of any of the physical societies so it would cost me $722. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group

Re: [FRIAM] Free online Springer books

2020-06-16 Thread Jon Zingale
Nick, It does look like a good read, though your reminder is a good one. I wish there were a decent app for predicting the value xyz information will be to me, how well it will synergize with other experiences. OTOH, I know I would get bored if my path were known to me. Ah, but I am very happy to

Re: [FRIAM] Free online Springer books

2020-06-16 Thread Jon Zingale
Frank, Yeah, reading a pdf is also an obstacle for me. I will *read* a book but my experience thus far has been to only use pdfs for reference. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom

Re: [FRIAM] alternative response

2020-06-16 Thread Jon Zingale
An attempt to steelman via wingman: The idea that Glen is proposing is to highlight a sweet spot in one's experience where unfamiliarity competes with habit. Glen advocates for bracketing questions of a prime mover or that which happens in pathological limits. Instead, he wishes to constrain the s

Re: [FRIAM] alternative response

2020-06-17 Thread Jon Zingale
The preoccupation with arguing over base ontological commitments reminds me of the *existential detectives* and their nemesis in the movie *I <3 Huckabees*. Will demanding that the universe is determined, or almost as random as can be, or simulatable move any other conjectured model forward? I susp

Re: [FRIAM] alternative response

2020-06-17 Thread Jon Zingale
The preoccupation with arguing over base ontological commitments reminds me of the *existential detectives* and their nemesis in the movie *I <3 Huckabees*. Will demanding that the universe is determined, or almost as random as can be, or simulatable move any other conjectured model forward? I susp

Re: [FRIAM] alternative response

2020-06-17 Thread Jon Zingale
Ha! 14648! -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://f

Re: [FRIAM] alternative response

2020-06-17 Thread Jon Zingale
Marcus, et al. I do hope to some extent that the others agree with you about what is *the point*. Though I am not sure with what certainty or authority one can make such a claim. The concept of *meaning* arises from ontological commitments. When the legal system includes notions like intent and pu

Re: [FRIAM] alternative response

2020-06-17 Thread Jon Zingale
Ha! same. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://fr

Re: [FRIAM] alternative response

2020-06-17 Thread Jon Zingale
Marcus, Perhaps a starting point could be to investigate to what extent are intent and punishment are falsifiable or inconsistent with respect to *free will*, or to what extent are they verifiable and consistent? -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. ..

Re: [FRIAM] alternative response

2020-06-17 Thread Jon Zingale
Well said, Glen. From what I glean from Marcus' comment, understanding another's commitments helps to prevent a game of Monopoly from deteriorating into a squabble over the meaning of money or property, or a game of poker from deteriorating into a squabble over the atomic structure of a playing car

Re: [FRIAM] alternative response

2020-06-17 Thread Jon Zingale
Nick, Spoiler alert, there is no *how best to think*. You say random, Gary says determined. Until you investigate the consequences of each you can't even know whether or not you are actually developing the same model ( like with the Church-Turing thesis). At the end of the day, deciding whether or

Re: [FRIAM] alternative response

2020-06-17 Thread Jon Zingale
Gary, Perhaps more interesting about Einstein's *brain* is that it may have been able to die not *believing* in the theory it developed. This is only possible if we can accept ontological grounds different from habit. Glen, You said: "Maybe this is an insight Nick is asking for?" Nick *should*

Re: [FRIAM] alternative response

2020-06-17 Thread Jon Zingale
Nick, Jon says: "Next, you make an appeal to *flesh in the game*..." Perhaps better here, we can again talk about Quantum theory. While some on this list will find it to be blasphemy to question the theory, you and I can clearly call its ultimate authority into question. Some will inevitably cont

Re: [FRIAM] alternative response

2020-06-17 Thread Jon Zingale
Gary, well put. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: htt

Re: [FRIAM] alternative response

2020-06-17 Thread Jon Zingale
Nick says: "Given this, it’s a miracle that we ever change our minds about anything, without dynamiting the whole midden." Is this effectively what Glen seeks to investigate with his paths and memory model? How is the path and memory model different than Rupert Sheldrake's theory that physical law

Re: [FRIAM] alternative response

2020-06-17 Thread Jon Zingale
The paper makes a commitment to the idea that physical information is finite and thus is poorly modeled by real numbers, there will be assumptions we make in our calculations with real numbers that are ultimately unphysical when we treat the world as if it were our model. Gisin writes: "Note that

Re: [FRIAM] alternative response

2020-06-17 Thread Jon Zingale
Great! It seems that I am wrong about the restrictions imposed by language dependence. From this Scientific American article by Chaitin: http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~km9/Randomness%20and%20Mathematical.pdf Defining randomness or the simplicity of theories through the capabilities of the digital com

Re: [FRIAM] alternative response

2020-06-18 Thread Jon Zingale
Glen, that is amazing/cringe-worthy! Google returned to me some articles on the heart chakra. Perhaps what EricS meant is undecidable, or ancient Chinese secret. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Gro

Re: [FRIAM] alternative response

2020-06-18 Thread Jon Zingale
Ok, so what I think I like about Gisin's model is that he is presenting a constructivist physics. Important to the model Gisin constructs is that his alternative physics preserves the integrable dynamics of standard dynamics. There are still a number of points I am unclear on: Gisin commits to the

Re: [FRIAM] falsifying the lost opportunity updating mechanism for free will

2020-06-18 Thread Jon Zingale
The recurring image for me is that of a river delta, avulsion and all. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfi

Re: [FRIAM] falsifying the lost opportunity updating mechanism for free will

2020-06-18 Thread Jon Zingale
Glen, You say: "The system does not *decide* to produce A or B, it simply produces A or B. The individual branch point (and the path taken) is *not* what I'm mapping to free will. (Yes, I've already been WRONGLY accused of redefining the term.) I'm saying that the aggregate phenomenon we mean when

Re: [FRIAM] falsifying the lost opportunity updating mechanism for free will

2020-06-18 Thread Jon Zingale
https://www.physicscentral.com/explore/pictures/cup.cfm -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/

Re: [FRIAM] alternative response

2020-06-19 Thread Jon Zingale
Nope, the non-algebraic numbers we can about are fine. Nevermind. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.co

Re: [FRIAM] falsifying the lost opportunity updating mechanism for free will

2020-06-19 Thread Jon Zingale
Glen says: "But we also have the iteration problem. LOUMFFW *might* generate the interesting phenomenon through iteration, the 2nd time around, the 3rd time around, etc. So, it's unclear to me how to fit Rayleigh-Taylor in". I am imagining the bulb at the end of each tendril to be a perhaps-not-qu

[FRIAM] Thanks again Marcus

2020-06-19 Thread Jon Zingale
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10670-019-00165-8#Sec6 -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.co

Re: [FRIAM] Thanks again Marcus

2020-06-19 Thread Jon Zingale
Relatedly, A lecture by Chris Isham, whose topos is discussed a bit in Smolin's book 'Three roads to quantum gravity', lectures on results from his paper on Toposes , Heidegger, and the foundations of physics. - ...

Re: [FRIAM] Thanks again Marcus

2020-06-19 Thread Jon Zingale
Also, for a non-general public but otherwise gentle technical introduction to toposes, here is a set of lectures with Andre Joyal. Presently, I am finishing up part 1 of 4 and would love to chat with any other interested parties. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ro8KoFFdtS4 -- Sent from: http://

Re: [FRIAM] Thanks again Marcus

2020-06-19 Thread Jon Zingale
The numbers most physicists use are finitely specifiable. π, for instance, has an infinite and non-repeating representation and yet there exist algorithms to get whatever nth digit you desire. Numbers like π are said to be computable and so are expressible in a finite way. Physicists get to keep π.

Re: [FRIAM] Thanks again Marcus

2020-06-20 Thread Jon Zingale
I think that reinterpreting computability in terms of truncation *obfuscates* the *philosophical content* that may be of interest to Nick. As a thought experiment, consider the collection of all computable sequences. Each sequence will in general have many possible algorithms that produce the given

Re: [FRIAM] falsifying the lost opportunity updating mechanism for free will

2020-06-20 Thread Jon Zingale
Glen's Claim: a) a mesh of parallel processes evolving in time b) each process has a local branching structure c) these branches (and the events that walk them) compose d) that composition is monitored and remembered within some scope e) that monitor/memory is used by a controller to edit the branc

Re: [FRIAM] Thanks again Marcus

2020-06-20 Thread Jon Zingale
The isomorphism *isn't*, in some sense, enough. For instance, the rationals can be philosophically different than the integers. Sure we can identify them via diagonal argument, but when we want a field we don't reach for the integers. I claim that something similar is happening here and that the po

Re: [FRIAM] USAGM, VOA

2020-06-20 Thread Jon Zingale
<3 What a wonderfully rich and intimate portrait of a bygone era. The day I graduated from high school, my electronics teacher gave me a CRT-oscilloscope and a bag of vacuum tubes. For years I would enjoy watching records on the scope while listening on my Fischer 400 (the receiver I still rock to

Re: [FRIAM] falsifying the lost opportunity updating mechanism for free will

2020-06-22 Thread Jon Zingale
Glen: "2) dampening edits or negative reinforcement" I am positing that negative feedback also exists in such a system and is partly responsible for the phenomenon of delta switching. Different flows in branches can be construed as probabilities, but with the additional action of sedimentary depos

Re: [FRIAM] falsifying the lost opportunity updating mechanism for free will

2020-06-22 Thread Jon Zingale
I suppose I see changes in memory as being mediated by changes in the properties of the sediment/stigmergy, and composition scope being a kind of algebraic process over the model. Sub-branches can be selected and compared. For instance, given a single binary tree with a Markov property specifying d

Re: [FRIAM] falsifying the lost opportunity updating mechanism for free will

2020-06-22 Thread Jon Zingale
Yes, exogenous is better. It seems like we are in agreement that something higher-order is needed, an algebra or otherwise. In regards to truncation, I am again thinking about the Gisin paper and staying open to the idea that we wouldn't need to amend the model but rather the underlying logic to ac

Re: [FRIAM] Pandemic Over!

2020-06-23 Thread Jon Zingale
In our recent all-hands meeting at work, we talked quite a bit about COVID-19 data and in particular the statistics related to nursing homes in the US. ‘Playing Russian Roulette’: Nursing Homes Told to Take the Infected https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/24/us/nursing-homes-coronavirus.html From the

Re: [FRIAM] Pandemic Over!

2020-06-23 Thread Jon Zingale
Glen says: "[†] Is there a difference between killing and letting die? I'm not confident." At some point, we should probably flesh out a model of the legal system for our discussion of *free will*. As a special case, we could investigate torts. We agree to a paradox at the start, namely, that driv

Re: [FRIAM] falsifying the lost opportunity updating mechanism for free will

2020-06-23 Thread Jon Zingale
As I reflect, search, and read more on Markov processes I feel a need to refine my earlier statements. The temptation is to short-circuit the *history doesn't matter* quality of a Markov process[⚥]. Clearly, this has it's own difficulties and misses Glen's *intent*, he is explicitly desiring a non-

Re: [FRIAM] falsifying the lost opportunity updating mechanism for free will

2020-06-23 Thread Jon Zingale
Jon says: "Worst will be if the process giving rise to our river delta belongs to the class of non-computables." whatever that can mean. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Friday

Re: [FRIAM] you have 'em there, too

2020-06-24 Thread Jon Zingale
Dammit, I love that place. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com ar

Re: [FRIAM] observability and randomness

2020-06-24 Thread Jon Zingale
Gisin's yapping is yapping about sequences, as are morphisms into Lawvere's (Y^Nat, β) object. The onto-property of morphisms from X gives the tipping point where all sequences from the perspective of Y are covered even though X may be doing more. That Lawvere is constructing his objects in a categ

Re: [FRIAM] forensic stories

2020-06-24 Thread Jon Zingale
<3 -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471

Re: [FRIAM] Pandemic Over!

2020-06-25 Thread Jon Zingale
Glen says: What did Sun Tzu say? "To surround an enemy, you must leave a way of escape." That seems like good Go advice, too. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p

Re: [FRIAM] Pandemic Over!

2020-06-25 Thread Jon Zingale
SteveS says: "...the double-stuffed footlong MAGA hoagie..." amazing! -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfi

Re: [FRIAM] Does anybody know directly a covid case?

2020-06-28 Thread Jon Zingale
Steve, I was really impressed by the work put into the 'Watchman' television series, much better than the movie that was supposedly based on the graphic novel. I loved that they bothered to pick up where the book left off, and where the movie conspicuously failed to end. Though I miss the whole 't

Re: [FRIAM] John Baez on Noether

2020-07-01 Thread Jon Zingale
Wow, that was a nice read, full of Faustian offers and quotes as perplexing as they are enticing: “inverse temperature is imaginary time”. A big remaining question for me, after reading, is how Heisenberg uncertainty (where the Lie bracket ought to not be zero†) plays with the Noether's theorem cha

Re: [FRIAM] Where Are Coronavirus Cases Getting Worse? Explore Risk Levels County By County : Shots - Health News : NPR

2020-07-01 Thread Jon Zingale
The interviewee mentions emphasis on personal decision making, though it seems that this tool is too crude to be very useful. She also mentions that if one is planning to visit a county marked in red, that they should reconsider, but what about the opposite message? It seems that it might be advant

Re: [FRIAM] Where Are Coronavirus Cases Getting Worse? Explore Risk Levels County By County : Shots - Health News : NPR

2020-07-01 Thread Jon Zingale
To the extent we believe *selfishly first* to be the rule, we probably shouldn't bother with that argument for masks either. Some don't drive to reduce the world's carbon footprint, possibly shifting the balance of power in favor of those that would produce larger ecological destruction if they cou

Re: [FRIAM] Where Are Coronavirus Cases Getting Worse? Explore Risk Levels County By County : Shots - Health News : NPR

2020-07-01 Thread Jon Zingale
ps. "RogerC's comment regarding *great-great-great-grand-dad*. What are the ethics of preparing to profit..." It really only occurs to me just now that this isn't all that far from Gogol's plot in "Dead Souls" :) -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. ..

Re: [FRIAM] Where Are Coronavirus Cases Getting Worse? Explore Risk Levels County By County : Shots - Health News : NPR

2020-07-01 Thread Jon Zingale
Although the masters make the rules For the wise men and the fools I got nothing, Ma, to live up to -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfr

Re: [FRIAM] Where Are Coronavirus Cases Getting Worse? Explore Risk Levels County By County : Shots - Health News : NPR

2020-07-02 Thread Jon Zingale
https://www.santafenewmexican.com/news/coronavirus/new-mexico-governor-issues-new-public-health-order-ahead-of-holiday-weekend/article_eb862480-bbb4-11ea-a449-ab1ca7ca2518.html The article states: "As a result, she said, state officials are cracking down. Police will “aggressively” enforce mask-we

Re: [FRIAM] fodder if Kevan joins again

2020-07-02 Thread Jon Zingale
smmry, what a cool tool! I was hoping we could have asked Kevan about his thoughts on the funding and training of more social intervention programs, promoting community activism (volunteering at shelters, say) for officers, and what ideas he might have for cultivating more agency as civilians to s

Re: [FRIAM] Hard problem vs. free swill

2020-07-03 Thread Jon Zingale
Nick, Granted determinism, how might an evolutionary theorist or ethologist approach the question of why we have the illusion of free will at all? It seems to me that evolutionary theory can describe a deterministic history just fine, but then I am unsure why we would ever need to develop a sense

Re: [FRIAM] John Baez on Noether

2020-07-04 Thread Jon Zingale
Some more Baez on Noether: http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/noether.html This one is a quick read and gets right at the heart of the idea. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays

Re: [FRIAM] The theory of everything

2020-07-06 Thread Jon Zingale
The version of "Life at low Reynolds number" that I am familiar with is this one: http://www.damtp.cam.ac.uk/user/gold/pdfs/purcell.pdf A wonderful lecture. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group l

Re: [FRIAM] Book publishing advice needed

2020-07-07 Thread Jon Zingale
While following this thread, I keep reaching for and not finding an essay written by Adorno (or Horkheimer or another Frankfurt intellectual), where the essayist writes about a transition that happens in the western description of *genius*. The transition is from that of the romantic period *rhapso

Re: [FRIAM] invoking quantum woo (was Book publishing advice needed)

2020-07-08 Thread Jon Zingale
Gary writes: "I'd like to see how this fact can be put to practical use *at an algorithmic level* to solve some problem" Shor's algorithm[Ͽ] has long been one of my favorite concrete examples. Here is an algorithm that has a classical counterpart wrt the techniques common to elliptic curve factori

[FRIAM] Grothendieck toposes and their role in Mathematics

2020-07-09 Thread Jon Zingale
A pretty good lecture on *classifying toposes* and their role in mathematics. Olivia Caramello discusses how toposes came to be studied, how they came to be understood as providing a *semantic core* for a mathematical theory, and how they provide a suitably general context for studying the symmetri

Re: [FRIAM] Grothendieck toposes and their role in Mathematics

2020-07-09 Thread Jon Zingale
Ha, yeah. They spend much of the book developing categories that are simultaneously rich enough to be topos-theoretically interesting and simple enough to reason about their properties/consequences. Recently, another friam member got me thinking about locales[Ɏ], the toy categories presented by Law

Re: [FRIAM] TETRAD

2020-07-09 Thread Jon Zingale
Frank, Would you say more about the work? What sort of framework is used to speak about the relation between correlation and causation? -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays

Re: [FRIAM] Grothendieck toposes and their role in Mathematics

2020-07-09 Thread Jon Zingale
haha, amazing! -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http

Re: [FRIAM] invoking quantum woo (was Book publishing advice needed)

2020-07-09 Thread Jon Zingale
I take it from the Wikipedia entry that *physics envy* is a second-order *math envy*. I often got the impression from Hywel that he was a radical empiricist. More extreme than Gisin, Hywel did not only reject the reals but also the integers. Hywel's reasoning (which makes a weird kind of sense to m

Re: [FRIAM] invoking quantum woo (was Book publishing advice needed)

2020-07-12 Thread Jon Zingale
Roger, I feel that you may be allowing the authority of *how you imagine other really important thinkers to be mystified* to mystify you. There was no reason for the ancient greeks to assume that all geometry must be given by compass and straight-edge, similarly, there is no reason for natural phi

Re: [FRIAM] invoking quantum woo (was Book publishing advice needed)

2020-07-12 Thread Jon Zingale
Nick, It has been said that Newton's mechanics "explain nothing and describe everything", where Leibniz's monads "explain everything and describe nothing". With regards to Newton, this position seems a bit strong to me. His *description* of falling bodies describes (in a forward direction, say) by

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