Re: [FRIAM] fluid codes

SteveG, Thanks for the Jamie Quinn reference. He touches on some of what I was hoping to start here. I am somewhat disappointed that I do not seem capable of posing the kind of open-ended questions that get others to contribute to a conversation. It may be that Friam isn't the kind of place I shou

Re: [FRIAM] fluid codes

ps. In: https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/2022-March/092172.html EricS writes: 3. Then (actually, all along since the beginning of the construction) one needs to talk about what kind of aggregation operator we can apply to systems, and quantities that do accumulate under aggregation

[FRIAM] more fluids

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDN4bKzgqOE&ab_channel=AnneArchibald <3 RT -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.c

[FRIAM] Whether Shannon or Nyquist, I don't know if I can be clear...

Wow, I didn't realize that someone made this quasi-documentary about Claude Shannon: The Bit Player | Claude Shannon | Father of Information Theory | IEEE Information Theory Society https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JP1Ljp8X6hg&ab_channel=VaibhavPatil It covers a lot of the same ground as "A Mind

[FRIAM] fluid codes revisited

EricS, Thanks for getting back to me with a reference[1]. I printed a couple of pages of it, which I then scrape out time to read. In a rare moment of straightforward computation, NickT walked me through how one performs an analysis of variation. Now I am reading a little bit of "Beyond Versus" a

Re: [FRIAM] quotes and questions

"""Negation is a stupid concept, perhaps the most Evil human invention ... maybe 2nd only to religion""" Totally. Curse you Hegel (whereever you are). Also, I add the concept of limit to that list. -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group l

Re: [FRIAM] fluid codes revisited

An interesting property of turbulence is that it need not be a statement about fluids, but rather a property entailed by a system of equations. One can easily imagine a researcher that reasonably claims that to understand the Zeta function would be to understand turbulence. Just as easily one can i

Re: [FRIAM] quotes and questions

Glen writes: """ Nick likes to say he's grateful for anyone who reads his writing. But the actual good faith action is to criticize it. Reading it is like nodding politely with the occasional "ah", "yes", "uh-huh" while someone tells you their boring story. Engagement is the real objective. Reading

[FRIAM] A boy named Woo

I just ordered some bumper stickers that say, "Energy is a Riemann metric on configuration space". Let me know if you would like one. -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12

[FRIAM] codes

I meant to post this a bit ago when we were posting on ciphers, cryptography, and codes: The algorithm was run on the prison text. A portion of the final result is shown in Figure 4. It gives a useful decoding that seemed to work on additional texts...I like this example because a) it is real, b)

Re: [FRIAM] oversight

Roe vs. Wade? Why not sink into Buck vs. Bell? -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_red

Re: [FRIAM] oversight

they have suffered. Life is suffering. Can anyone ramble about homotopy probability theory for a while? There isn't much published on it yet, but it looks tasty. Is it possible because of HoTT? It may not be all that cool, it looks like cumulants are just logged generating functions, but idk... -.

Re: [FRIAM] oversight

"But, I feel like Jon's signaled that this horse has been well pummeled." I apologize if that is what I am signaling, I'm in a weird headspace. Sometimes I value individuals for being no different than the role they play in some kind of para-agreed-upon denotational semantics, other times I am tha

[FRIAM] @Frank

Thanks for the offer. Possibly? My first-year topology teacher wrote a pretty good book on homology: https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-1-4612-0881-5 In general, thanks to this theorem of Hurewitz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurewicz_theorem I am not concerned about whether it be homo

[FRIAM] Another reason the future is nothing like the past...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiadG3ywJIs&ab_channel=Tai-DanaeBradley What a great way to introduce readers to a phd thesis. https://academicworks.cuny.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4773&context=gc_etds joy! -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Com

Re: [FRIAM] fluid codes revisited

Just to verify that I am reading you, the additive classifier *should* do a horrible job exactly because N+1 << 2^N. Selection is nullified by linearity, while modularity benefits from linearity. As a consequence, and through an evo-devo lens, biology optimizes about this paradox. Do I have this ri

[FRIAM] monsters and black holes

I know that this is now a few years old, but I just found it and enjoyed it today. It is a wonderful exposition of some fairly surprising connections between string theory, number theory, and modular forms. Jeffrey Harvey - From Moonshine to Black Holes: Number Theory in Math and Physics (Sept 6,

Re: [FRIAM] Google Engineer Thinks AI Bot Has Become Sentient

FWIW, I still feel that the Turing test is worse than non-sense. Worse in that it suggests a feasible program, which it doesn't. Like opposing free will with determinism, from a false opposition comes a seductive limit. I wonder if we will ever hear from the Google employee themself, and this appea

Re: [FRIAM] Cultural Evolution Redux

Yeah, I thought about losing about the same (~500 to ~1k) on producing a split 10'' with another local musician. -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.l

Re: [FRIAM] monsters and black holes

"...and mock modular forms, well they're really cute functions displaying very funny properties on a modular transformation." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1L6Hd49nT4&ab_channel=QuantaMagazine Introduction to moonshine in fewer than 2 mins. Sorry to blow the list up with this tangent. It's ju

Re: [FRIAM] monsters and black holes

And because it is awesome when some integer gets its own Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1729_(number) -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://b

Re: [FRIAM] A mildly amusing FaceBook [or is that Meta?] tale

A hard number to guess? I will guess somewhere between 196,560 and 196,884. Yeah, those derp-face pictures are my favorite. I feel for the most vain, those making those beaucoup bucks, those dancing in bikinis on Twitch. -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Appli

[FRIAM] poly as the true language of computation

monads => "evaluation" comonads => "experience" polynomial functions and data migrations inside: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIqCNibMisI&ab_channel=ToposInstitute David is pretty great. I had the pleasure to have a few conversations with him when he was still at University of Oregon and befor

Re: [FRIAM] Virgil Griffith was sentenced to 63 months on April 12

Oh yeah, I remember that talk. -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.

[FRIAM] City of a Million Dreams

For those that love New Orleans, here is a trailer for a new documentary on New Orleans and its funeral band culture. I am hoping to get a chance to see it myself. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44aV2Thx4eA&ab_channel=CityofaMillionDreams -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. -

[FRIAM] Baez on the number 24

An older lecture that somehow I missed ;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzjbRhYjELo&ab_channel=JamesWaechter -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly

Re: [FRIAM] Being someone else

Yep. This is what I think makes subjects like film theory and its extensions like critical film theory so central to postmodernist philosophy (a'la Bergson and Peirce via Deleuze[1]). Even in Bergson's explicit philosophical work on duration, he leans quite a bit on cinema. A few years ago, there w

Re: [FRIAM] self-care

I think I disagree with Glen here. When the accumulated meatiness of "my" fist meets the face of the bloke next to "me" at the bar, I see no problem with him blaming "me" for the violence, whether or not there is a consistent formal theory of "me" for him to found his judgement upon. It is an abuse

[FRIAM] Herbert Marcuse & Bryan Magee (1978)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U23Ho0m_Sv0&ab_channel=PhilosophyOverdose "The economic convulsions that wracked western societies...were seen at the time, by most Marxists, as being the breakdown of the capitalist system, which Marxist theory had always predicted. However, whereas according to th

Re: [FRIAM] stranger than fiction

"""Current in silico software is only accessible to large pharmaceutical companies willing to pay obnoxious licensing fees. Students in every country no matter their university, startup companies to Fortune 500s, and even dedicated hobbyists will all have the same opportunity to design new molecule

[FRIAM] April 21, 1958

I'm such a big fan of Colin McLarty. Here he is giving an historical lecture on the birth of Topos theory. Who would have thunk it, that Kansas in the 50s would be ground zero of a mathematical revolution that is only now becoming palpable to the many. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmcbm5FxRJE&a

Re: [FRIAM] Santa Fe’s favorite scientific software firm

Hey, thanks man! They seem interested in letting us carry on with our business of doing science and leaving all offices in place (the main office in Santa Fe; others in Cologne, Tokyo, and Boston). I guess we are set to be a subsidiary of a new life sciences division for Cadence. I think it would b

Re: [FRIAM] state space reconstruction

Hellz yeah. They are pretty wonderful. The drums remind me of Aphex Twin or Squarepusher or something like that. -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.l

Re: [FRIAM] Fourier image space, duality, filtering and compression

Ed, FWIW, we did discuss Gibb's phenomenon quite a bit and how JPEG compression could be understood as a manifestation of the uncertainty principle. I would love to have a copy of your notes from the summer short course at the institute for optics. Also, I would like to pick your brain about inter

Re: [FRIAM] Fourier image space, duality, filtering and compression

Yep, I have the 7th edition and have been looking at appendix D. Thank you for finding the notes. I hope to make the live meeting tomorrow. -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays

Re: [FRIAM] Fourier image space, duality, filtering and compression

At today's zoom meeting, Barry mentioned something that I suspect was interesting if I could have heard it. It was part of a larger point about, perhaps, regretting not being introduced to Noether's theorem when learning harmonic analysis. It reminded me of a question that Sarah asked me while we w

[FRIAM] I'll never be Gauss, I'll never an Eno...

I'll only ever be a Gary Numan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nJu5OaN40o&ab_channel=pierre291772 -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfria

[FRIAM] God is not a Good Theory

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Re: [FRIAM] truth-preserving math

Thank you for this article. Subject matter related to quantum fields, the Schwinger effect and the Casimir effect are very much where my mind has been lately. I continue an attempt to reconcile recent thoughts on the different candidate GUTs, the resolution of infinite contributions of virtual part

Re: [FRIAM] Wolpert - discussion thread placeholder

I am often confused by what people imagine "tech" to be, and then I wonder what the forward-looking name for luddite is. From my twisted perspective, the newest consumables merely add noise, produce another roll of the dice, and leave us only able to speak about the distance we, via this stochastic

Re: [FRIAM] Wolpert - discussion thread placeholder

What follows are mostly speculations: It is possible that we do not get to have closed cartesianess (with all of its currying and the rest) and so we do not really get to have *all* possible worlds, perhaps only those that are symmetric monoidal. Still, what then does this mean for us, since we ca

Re: [FRIAM] pardon the interuption,

I know my response doesn't approach your questions, but... 1. That's awesome. What do you sketch? 2. What got you back into it? -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom

Re: [FRIAM] pardon the interuption,

Dope. It would be really cool to read/see the further adventures of Munchy Man and the politically-incorrect worlds he visits. Many years ago, I worked in a Deli at a coop where one of the cashiers was my friend. We coped by collaborating on a comic called "grisly customer death". It mostly involve

[FRIAM] Three Realisms and The Idea of Sheaves

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPuWHN0BTio&ab_channel=ToposInstitute In this video, David Jaz Myers describes 3 different modalities by which mathematicians might model aspects of the world using sheaves. It touches on some of the ideas we have been kicking around regarding Wolpert's paper, on th

[FRIAM] Mathematics in the 21st century

Baez on the mathematics in the 21st century Pretty interesting stuff and a great overview of some more recent thinking. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUqqQXFTHUY&ab_channel=ToposInstitute -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv

[FRIAM] Automata with FFT

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[FRIAM] (no subject)

Steve - Reponsive to your references to Sabine Hossenfelder, et al... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fR_8gpJCT4I&t=69s&ab_channel=BoilerRoom -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thur

Re: [FRIAM] Automata with FFT

One thing that got me interested in this work is the possibility of organizations of agents in different frequency spaces coming together to make agents over the total frequency domain. Also, I would be curious about the robustness of agents under frequency filtering. There appear to be possibiliti

Re: [FRIAM] Movement vs. Behavior, and what's in the Black Box

Glen, Eric, I am enjoying how the conversation is developing. The celery example strikes me as being important, but where Glen refers to *scale* I would speak of *domain of definition*. That a shift in domain happens to be size, rather than some other contextual specification, may not be what we w

Re: [FRIAM] sum of atomic spectra == 9000K black body?

Roger, I get the sense that this is a link between the very small and the very large, but I am far from being a physicist. Could you say more about this result? Jon .-. .- -. -.. --- -- -..-. -.. --- - ... -..-. .- -. -.. -..-. -.. .- ... . ... FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom F

Re: [FRIAM] Movement vs. Behavior, and what's in the Black Box

Eric, I have some concern that once we *decide* the dead duck was not behaving, that we would avoid the dropped coin. I get that we wouldn't want to apply the verb *flailing* to the coin except perhaps in a moment of poetry. This is the season to witness cottonwood drifts, though. Better might be t

Re: [FRIAM] PSC Tornado Visualization (2008) [720p] - YouTube

All, Up from the 36 Chambers and in the spirit of Marcus, Tornado Visualization . Now with more Wu-Tang! Jon .-. .- -. -.. --- -- -..-. -.. --- - ... -..-. .- -. -.. -..-. -.. .- ... . ... FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv

Re: [FRIAM] PSC Tornado Visualization (2008) [720p]

Nick, Do you mean triangles in the sense of simplexes? Jon .-. .- -. -.. --- -- -..-. -.. --- - ... -..-. .- -. -.. -..-. -.. .- ... . ... FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redf

Re: [FRIAM] Movement vs. Behavior, and what's in the Black Box

Eric, I mean to use the word *decide* in a similar way that I might use the word *fix* or *given*. While you may find my usage strange, I am not sure that my goals are all that different from your own. If we choose to progress with the conversation, and to develop models/linguistic frameworks/scie

[FRIAM] Gentleman's Club

Glen astutely begins: "We talk a lot about filosofy, culture, and politics on this list. And we quote a lot of old white guys. Sporadically one of us will lament..." >From a wonderfully humorous wikipedia article on The Gentleman's Club : "An incre

Re: [FRIAM] Gentleman's Club

Frank, Thank you. To the extent that I have room to extend the same, you too are eminently clubbable. Jon .-. .- -. -.. --- -- -..-. -.. --- - ... -..-. .- -. -.. -..-. -.. .- ... . ... FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam unsubscribe

Re: [FRIAM] intension/extension

Nick, The *tension* in the discussion was mostly between two subtly different words: Intentionality as found in the work of Bretano and intensionality as found in the work of Church. While

Re: [FRIAM] intension/extension

Nick, >From the Stanford Encyclopedia article: "Although the meaning of the word ‘intentionality’ in contemporary philosophy is related to the meanings of such words as ‘intension’ (or ‘intensionality’ with an *s*) and ‘intention,’ nonetheless it ought not to be confused with either of them. On t

Re: [FRIAM] PSC Tornado Visualization (2008)

Nick, In chat on Friday, you mentioned a research project involving two helices (or possibly nested tori), with distinct thermal properties and which exist at the core of a tornado. Would you mind posing the problem here so that I and possibly other members of the community can consider it? Jon -

Re: [FRIAM] the end of the pandemic

Dave, Today markedly begins tourism season here in Santa Fe. Over the last month, I have been going for long walks downtown around the plaza. I prefer it to the crowded walks along the bicycle paths and until today, all the business were closed and the park relatively empty. Today, I counted aroun

Re: [FRIAM] from 5/15 virtual FRIAM

Disclaimers: 1. TLDR Warning 2. These opinions will be poorly founded and are subject to change. Dave, You write: `Nick raised the issue of being contrarian with regards science and could get no one to admit to anything beyond ignoring doctor's orders.` Questions like the one Nick posed fill me

Re: [FRIAM] from 5/15 virtual FRIAM

Frank, Thank you for your response. As a variant of your statement about mathematics and god, Paul Erdos believed in *the book. *He believed that the book was were god kept all of his most elegant proofs of theorems. He would say to his collaborators, 'Yes, that is a *proof*, but now let's look fo

Re: [FRIAM] hidden

Frank, Glen, Nick, Glen writes: `... in last week's Zoom, I mentioned to Jon (in response to his query to Frank about RSA-encryption::mind) that I think homomorphic encryption is a better analogy (to mind).` Fully homomorphic encryption† was also the metaphor I originally had in mind. In an effor

[FRIAM] Miller, miller moths everywhere...

Wow, they are everywhere! According to wikipedia: Army cutworms are one of the richest foods for predators, such as brown bears , in this ecosystem, where up to 72 per cent of the moth's body weight is fat, thus making it more calorie-rich than elk or deer

Re: [FRIAM] hidden

EricS, Philosophically, I most closely identify with what I perhaps could call phenomenological-materialism. For me all ideas we have, we have exactly because they are *afforded* by the world. There may not be unicorns, but horses and animals with horns do exist. Unicorns then are *afforded*. The

Re: [FRIAM] John Conway: "Travels With John Conway, in 258 Septillion Dimensions The Princeton mathemagician, who died in April, left an engaging legacy of numerical gamesmanship."

Tom, I would love to be able to read this. Is there another place that isn't behind a pay wall? Jon -- --- .-. . .-.. --- -.-. -.- ... -..-. .- .-. . -..-. - . -..-. . ... ... . -. - .. .- .-.. -..-. .-- --- .-. -.- . .-. ... FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mt

Re: [FRIAM] hidden

EricS, You write: *I bring up this debate in mathematics because it seems significant to mehow long and how intensely it has been going on, with both sides wanting anotion of “truth”, and neither being able to claim to have achieved it in termssatisfied by the other. If the intuitionists h

Re: [FRIAM] Behavior??

Nick, A friend sent me an article on pristine inner experience and it sent me down a rabbit hole, eventually arriving at this blog post by Russell Hurlburt. In the post, he talks about 5 features of pristine inner experience. The first four seemed

[FRIAM] anonymity/deniability/ambiguity

Glen, I really like where you are going with this. I hope to find some time today to sit with these ideas and produce some notes for tomorrow. Jon -- --- .-. . .-.. --- -.-. -.- ... -..-. .- .-. . -..-. - . -..-. . ... ... . -. - .. .- .-.. -..-. .-- --- .-. -.- . .-. ... FRIAM Applied Comp

Re: [FRIAM] anonymity/deniability/ambiguity

EricS, goddamn. Jon -- --- .-. . .-.. --- -.-. -.- ... -..-. .- .-. . -..-. - . -..-. . ... ... . -. - .. .- .-.. -..-. .-- --- .-. -.- . .-. ... FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/fr

Re: [FRIAM] privacy games

Glen, Steve, Nick, Like possibility and necessity are formal duals, born from an adjoint situation, I can suggest poetry versus deposition. The salient common feature is one of openness. When I speak poetically I am reaching, inviting inter

Re: [FRIAM] anonymity/deniability/ambiguity

Glen writes: *I don't find any of these machines compelling, though. So I can't really say anything useful in response to your post, except to say that it would be *great fun* to try to construct a self-correcting truth machine. It would be even more fun to construct several of them and have them

Re: [FRIAM] privacy games

Glen, I am really enjoying steelmaning and getting steel-mansplained, so thank you for the discussion up to this point. For me the images are that of the constructions for free modules over a ring, dependent types, and algebraic varieties

Re: [FRIAM] privacy games

Glen, While walking to get a couple of bottles of wine today, I started thinking about collaborative games we play that rely on *privacy by obscurity*. The first image to pop into mind was the *exquisite corpse

Re: [FRIAM] Interdisciplinary work

Jochen, Though likely not relevant, I wanted to share my favorite Cervantes quote: *"A wise man should ever be cautious when writing books to let his humorand his wits run leaden-footed. For if he writes for silly maidens, then hewrites for nincompoops and ninnies."* Jon -- --- .-. . .-.. ---

Re: [FRIAM] Interdisciplinary work

Jochen, Merle, To be clear I was not attempting offense, and before we *race to the bottom* and get too *butt-hurt*, I would like to point out that the quote I offered was from the introduction to Don Quixote that I had in hand a number of years ago. When I read the quote, I immediately wrote it d

Re: [FRIAM] Interdisciplinary work

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Re: [FRIAM] Interdisciplinary work

Merle, A brief internet survey suggests a difference between interdisciplinary and transdisciplinary research. The latter focuses on building new, something more than combinatorial exploration. Would you say more about your sense of transdisciplinary research? What do you feel is lacking within in

Re: [FRIAM] Interdisciplinary work

Merle, Cool. I am hearing that there is a kind of Jachin-Boaz duality, where transdisciplinary research *establishes* (Jachin) and interdisciplinary research *fortifies* (Boaz). What is it we are doing when we act in a transdisciplinary way? Are there exercises or practices to promote growth into

Re: [FRIAM] Interdisciplinary work

Steve, you write: my young (30something) Spanish (Basque) colleague from Wales speaks of the DQ tale as if Sancho Panza is the true hero/protaganist, which was what I suspected in my own first reading. It is great that you mention this. I have pretty much felt the same way about Don Quixote and S

Re: [FRIAM] Excellent Beauty

Dave, you write: *The third discussion is of the "Rarity of the Commonplace" — how the mundane reality about us is so improbable. Part of this discussion deals with causality (another frequent FRIAM topic, but not so much recently), part with the fact that only 4% of the Universe is ordinary matte

[FRIAM] Optimizing for maximal serendipity or how Alan Turing misdirected ALife

In another post, Glen mentions an application of the parallelism theorem to 2nd order privacy. I wish here to express caution wrt application of this theorem to questions of consciousness, private or otherwise. Because conscious experience (say in the sense of Tononi) may in fact be or contain full

Re: [FRIAM] Optimizing for maximal serendipity or how Alan Turing misdirected ALife

Marcus, Sure, Pauli exclusion. Please see Glen's comments on criticism. Jon -- --- .-. . .-.. --- -.-. -.- ... -..-. .- .-. . -..-. - . -..-. . ... ... . -. - .. .- .-.. -..-. .-- --- .-. -.- . .-. ... FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualf

Re: [FRIAM] Optimizing for maximal serendipity or how Alan Turing misdirected ALife

Glen, I very much agree that questions of a *formality-informality* spectrum will weave itself throughout *the work*. It seems to me that the informality ought to provide a *place* for birds to make a nest, a *bellybutton* for lint to collect, and a *place* for rust to never sleep. To my mind, it

Re: [FRIAM] Metaphor [POSSIBLE DISTRACTON FROM]: privacy games

Frank, Steve, My favored approach is to say that *space is like a manifold*. For me, space is a *thing* and a manifold is an *object*. The former I can experience free from my models of it, I can continue to learn facts(?) about space not derived by deduction alone (consider Nick's posts on induct

Re: [FRIAM] Metaphor [POSSIBLE DISTRACTON FROM]: privacy games

Steve, you write: *I might instead say that the source domain of the metaphorical description of "bent" or "curved" space IS the formal mathematical construction of "a manifold"? * What about Eddington's measurement or gravitational lensing? These both appear situated in a phenomenological domain

Re: [FRIAM] Metaphor [POSSIBLE DISTRACTON FROM]: privacy games

Eric, I am not sure that I disagree with you anywhere, but I am unsure whether you are taking issue with me? The proliferation of threads are sometimes hard for me to follow, inevitably I mis- determine who is talking to whom. Are there places in my writing that you would suggest I revisit and rec

Re: [FRIAM] Metaphor [POSSIBLE DISTRACTON FROM]: privacy games

Frank, same. Jon -- --- .-. . .-.. --- -.-. -.- ... -..-. .- .-. . -..-. - . -..-. . ... ... . -. - .. .- .-.. -..-. .-- --- .-. -.- . .-. ... FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam

Re: [FRIAM] Metaphor [POSSIBLE DISTRACTON FROM]: privacy games

Eric, Cool, I misunderstood is all. I very much appreciate what you accumulate for a week and drop. I would be sorry to not have it, so please do what you need. Thank you for drawing my attention to *polysemy* and its operational relation to *overloading*, which in turn I am connecting to *polymor

Re: [FRIAM] Metaphor [POSSIBLE DISTRACTON FROM]: privacy games

Steve, you write: *I'm still harping on "bent" as it implies that something was "meant to be straight is deformed by some process or force"?. * Oh, I misapprehended the critique. Yeah, *bent* like *normie* where there is a whole context and a basis for comparison. However *bent,* unlike *normie,*

Re: [FRIAM] Optimizing for maximal serendipity or how Alan Turing misdirected ALife

Marcus, you write: *The experience of being out-of-phase with a conversation has the same gist.* You summarized much of my experience with Friam. Can you say more about how it is *like homomorphic encryption, but in plain sight*? There is a sense that homomorphic encryption (relative to the priva

Re: [FRIAM] Metaphor [POSSIBLE DISTRACTON FROM]: privacy games

Frank, Nick, Here's a non-manifold [(x, y) | (x, y) <- C², y² - x² == x³] It was great when Frank or I were not connecting the physics to the mathematics in Baez, Hywel was there to talk neutrinos and the flavors of quarks. I think it was his brother(-in-law?) that had come to Friam, wasn't he a

Re: [FRIAM] Science Commits Suicide

Dave, Nick, Jochen, et al. For those not already familiar with the Eric Weinstein *Portal* podcast, there is a really great episode with Eric's brother Bret . Bret is an evolutionary theorist (and biologist) who became the center of a fairly interesting

Re: [FRIAM] Metaphor [POSSIBLE DISTRACTON FROM]: privacy games

Continuing along the line of presenting possible case studies in *privacy* (or knowing another's mind), I submit the following: As many of you know, D&D podcasts have become all the rage with the kids these days. Arguably, king among these is the Critical Role podcast. For the last five years, thi

Re: [FRIAM] quickening

Nick, The constraints of D&D are in part set by what is interesting for the development of collaborative storytelling. It is crucial to recognize that while a game, it is *not an adversarial* game (except perhaps at the meta-level where each player is attempting to troll the DM†). Besides this sub

Re: [FRIAM] quickening

Nick, It was not a misdirection. In part, I am probing to understand how threading works on the forum. As I understand it, if I respond to a thread by prepending '*Re: '* to the subject line the post should find its way to the proper container. The post I was responding to, in part because of temp

Re: [FRIAM] Covid and Politics

Cody, Nick, et al. Part of my concern with a *white van* or *relying on herd immunity* approach is the side-effect health risks associated with Covid-19. From a Johns Hopkins article :

Re: [FRIAM] Covid and Politics

Nick, Thank you for the clarification. It does appear that my objection is non-applicable. That said, I hope that the *spirit* of my comment is maintained throughout the policymaking process. Jon -- --- .-. . .-.. --- -.-. -.- ... -..-. .- .-. . -..-. - . -..-. . ... ... . -. - .. .- .-.. -

Re: [FRIAM] Science Commits Suicide

Jochen, What is kind of funny is that two episodes later, rather than forcefully pushing his DISC-obsessed program forward, he invites Roger Penrose on to the show to have a really satisfying and very straightforward discussion of mathematics and physi

Re: [FRIAM] Science Commits Suicide

Jochen, I tend to agree with your analysis of Eric, Bret, and the DISC. The hat of Roger Penrose that I am most interested in, and that I am thankful to Eric for accessing, is Penrose as Geometer. It is a take and a history that doesn't get the same air time that more pop-science oriented ideas ge

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