Re: [FRIAM] stygmergy, CA's, and [biological] development

There is a formalism for discrete-event dynamical systems known as “bond graphs”. I haven’t read much about it, but Alan Perelson did some work on this when he was young and not famous. Bond graphs seem to be a slightly more flexible construction than hypergraphs, and they contain a subset tha

Re: [FRIAM] A Question For Tomorrow

Hi Marcus et al. > On Apr 30, 2019, at 10:41 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > > Eric writes: > > < The important consequence of this understanding is that we have > mathematical formalizations of the concept of state and of observable, and > they are two different kinds of concept. It is precisel

Re: [FRIAM] A Question For Tomorrow

On May 1, 2019, at 12:58 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: Marcus wrote: > < Why do people seek this (as Eric puts it) emotional comfort with their ways > of knowing? > > > Either spacetime works in a surprising way and commonsense intuition is just > wrong -- to cling to a familiar way of knowing a

Re: [FRIAM] A Question For Tomorrow

> On May 1, 2019, at 2:33 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > > I was just throwing out two, the wormhole idea of Maldacena & Susskind and > super-determinism described by Hooft.They seem very different to me, and > could imply two very different universes. That QM works for either doesn't > he

Re: [FRIAM] A Question For Tomorrow

rofessor of Psychology and Biology > Clark University > http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > > > -Original Message- > From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Eric Smith > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 2:22 PM > To: The Friday Morning A

Re: [FRIAM] A Question For Tomorrow

Okay, one last, and then I die, having created as much chaos in the world as it was my place to create. > On May 1, 2019, at 8:09 AM, Nick Thompson wrote: > > The Schrodinger's cat can be both dead and un-dead, but I cannot know a thing > and not know it, except by equivocating on the meaning

Re: [FRIAM] A Question For Tomorrow

> On May 2, 2019, at 8:21 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > > Eric writes: > > < 4. The values of those microscopic observables can evolve jointly with > values of more complicated large-actor observables that we describe as > apparatus measuring spins etc., and the branches of the large-actor st

Re: [FRIAM] All hail confirmation bias!

I think Ortega y Gasset had things to say about that in Man and Crisis. I haven’t read enough to know yet whether I think his take is important. But it would be hard to find someone who picked up the question in terms more identical to those that Nick uses below to frame it. Eric > On Jul 2

Re: [FRIAM] All hail confirmation bias!

> -Original Message- > From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com > <mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>] On Behalf Of David Eric Smith > Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2019 5:19 PM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <mailto:friam@redfish.com>>

Re: [FRIAM] All hail confirmation bias!

action and this view of the structure-preserving map.) > > davew > > > On Mon, Jul 29, 2019, at 12:15 PM, David Eric Smith wrote: >> Hi Nick, >> >> The part of the book that prompted me to forward it to the list was most of >> the first 3 (short) chapt

Re: [FRIAM] All hail confirmation bias!

Hi Steve, I agree with what you say below, and had a similar reaction to reading Ortega. From today’s perspective and my own scientific experience set, it would rarely seem natural to me to think of a complex human function as a novel and irreducible thing. We can see so many areas of cogniti

Re: [FRIAM] All hail confirmation bias!

> nick > > Nicholas S. Thompson > Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology > Clark University > http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > <http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/> > > From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.c

Re: [FRIAM] people figuring out WTF

Given the seriousness of this, the fact that it causes real harm to people that could have been avoided, it is terrible that I notice early in the article that many of the diplomats were disturbed “by a buzzing sound or high-pitched noise” prior to falling ill. It may be that I am primed for su

Re: [FRIAM] climate change questions

And not only forests. Restructure agriculture. The perennial polyculture concept for which Wes Jackson founded the Land Institute https://landinstitute.org/ Is meant to base farming on a cropping system with the structure of a prairie sod. Either farmland or prairi

Re: [FRIAM] NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

I remember getting the inside story on the state of Global Circulation Modeling from Chick Hearn of IGPP (Institute of Geophysics and Planetary Physics at LANL) back in the day when I couldn’t have got that kind of field-leading judgment/perspective from anyone else I had access to. In the ge

Re: [FRIAM] NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

I think I have been influenced on preferred frames for this question by two sources in particular. One was the writing Krugman did in the 1970s-90s on economic geography, which translating into my own current language is very much a perspective of institutional ecology with an emphasis on criti

Re: [FRIAM] Murdoch and Trump

Would be interesting to know what the buffers are, that weren’t in that run of models. Temperatures are lower than forecast, but Greenland and Antarctic ice sheet melting rates are higher. They seem like small land areas, and the ice volume small, but specific heat of melting is large per volu

Re: [FRIAM] Murdoch and Trump

Sorry… My own typos are bad enough, but usually comprehensible. But when the damned computer helpfully comes in and substitutes the word it thinks I must have meant, the result is a true obscurity: > One also wants to take into account arctic se ice, which if I really is on a > faster melting

Re: [FRIAM] Trumps motives not judiciable because they are "in his head"

I’m glad to have these resources, particularly the lawfare breakdowns. However, in this conversation I would like to see us separate the things we credit with reflecting on real ideas from patent political nonsense and bad faith. Dershowitz exists to prove the maxim that there isn’t really any

Re: [FRIAM] Trumps motives not judiciable because they are "in his head"

I don’t think finding a language to talk will come from being co-opted in a bad-faith narrative where up is down and black is white, just because some people are angry and have been led to believe they want to tear truth up to revert to a game in which it is only who has power — wrongly believin

Re: [FRIAM] Eric Smith's interview on Jim Rutt's podcast

Thanks for this, Steve, Yes, it was Grinspoon. Sara Walker told me that at the last AbSciCon meeting, but in the running stream of conversation with Jim I had forgotten it. Your Freudian typo was fun, unless it was your computer that did it. A mixture of Grinspoon and Greenspan. Given what h

Re: [FRIAM] Eric Smith's interview on Jim Rutt's podcast

Thanks Steve, Yes, there is a certain thread of literature and experience that is always in my mind on this topic. It began some years ago when David Krakauer waved a copy of Richard Novikovsky’s book Games of No Chance in front of me, and that was my introduction to the modern work that had b

Re: [FRIAM] wishing I believed in karma

The thing I particularly liked in this was that Rebecca held off on dealing with him, in the hope that perhaps brain damage would make him smarter. Of course that hope doesn’t do any good for his daughter. > On Feb 13, 2020, at 6:35 AM, glen wrote: > > https://skepchick.org/2020/02/jordan-pet

Re: [FRIAM] A longer response to Dave's question

So Dave, > What kind of vocabulary can we apply to the substance/essence of > altered-states-of-consciousness experiences? Metaphor certainly, but > "concept," "idea," or even "knowledge?" is it possible to develop a > philosophy, an epistemology, that would be inclusive of "experience" beyond

Re: [FRIAM] Outbreak Simulation

Yes, exactly. > 1.8 million people at a 1% fatality rate. That’s what you get in countries that can give the best of their health service to patients who get very sick. Italy’s death rate is currently around 10%. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Re: [FRIAM] Coronavirus New Mexico numbers.xlsx

So this article looks like it points to interesting data: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/30/health/coronavirus-restrictions-fevers.html The limitation there will be representativeness of the sample, since there will

Re: [FRIAM] RedState/BlueState OneState/TwoState

> Has china actually eliminated the virus from the population and the are > merely putting out sparks that have blown in from other places? I would bet very high odds that is not the case. They have probably greatly reduced the caseload. Friends there say they are rebuilding daily activities

Re: [FRIAM] RedState/BlueState OneState/TwoState

ersity > thompnicks...@gmail.com <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/> > > > From: Friam mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> On > Behalf Of David Eric Smith > Sent: Tuesday, Apr

Re: [FRIAM] RedState/BlueState OneState/TwoState

s Thompson > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > Clark University > thompnicks...@gmail.com <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/> > > > From: Friam mailto:friam-boun...@redfis

Re: [FRIAM] anthropological observations

I think in the caes of doctors there are additional traditions, working over or alongside those that attend generic public actors or advisors. Specifically: the Hippocratic oath. I probably don’t know the true wording, but the version I always hear is “First, do no harm”. That is an uncommonly

Re: [FRIAM] anthropological observations

Cranky Nick, you really need to join a church. > Now, what most people wanted to know from Nate Silver is whether Clinton was > going to win the election. Nate constantly says that making such predictions > is, strictly speaking, not his job. As long as what happens falls within the > error o

Re: [FRIAM] anthropological observations

> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > Clark University > thompnicks...@gmail.com <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/> > > > From: Friam mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.

Re: [FRIAM] anthropological observations

ns> > > That was the constructivist lambda calculus paper. Bill Mckelvey extended to > pi calculus > > > > On Sat, Apr 18, 2020, 12:36 AM David Eric Smith <mailto:desm...@santafe.edu>> wrote: > Very good Nick. > > You see, unfortunately it appears th

Re: [FRIAM] anthropological observations

Yes, both Eric C. and Marcus have already answered this better than what I am about to say, because they have already abstracted it into concepts. But I will put only a particular. I got this from the polymath Elwyn Berlekamp (who did run a hedge fund) in the kitchen on an Erdos-like visit by

Re: [FRIAM] whackadoodles go mainstream!

Good article to have on hand; thanks Glen. You guys know this organism, right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leucochloridium_paradoxum Have I posted it to the list before? Look through the lifecycle, and particularly the video. The sort

Re: [FRIAM] whackadoodles go mainstream!

> I do not believe that any of the "theories" about the origin have any purpose > other than to point fingers, place blame. One reason for this would be to > advance other arguments — typical conspiracy nonsense, Another would be to > identify a government or a lab or any entity with deep pocket

Re: [FRIAM] whackadoodles go mainstream!

who can read all this stuff *expect* to happen? > > On 4/20/20 3:57 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: >> As a ballpark the receptor binding domain is 211 residues, so 20^211, >> however only a small part of it seems to be actively evolving. [1] (see >> Table 1) >> >&g

Re: [FRIAM] whackadoodles go mainstream!

> > > https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.10.986398v1 > > <https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.10.986398v1> > > > > *From: *Friam > <mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> on behalf of David Eric Smith > > mailto:desm...@santafe

Re: [FRIAM] whackadoodles go mainstream!

ead to a kind of pressure to get a better foothold in the hosts. >> Then as the host and parasite relax into one another, any obvious pressure >> would fade and it would look more random. >> >> Regardless of the design question, it seems like a virus that is *

Re: [FRIAM] Bayes Rules and Base Rates Count

Yes, while the clip was a nice explanation about Bayesian updating, the narrator’s statement that we need to make assumptions about prevalence seem to me like they send the viewer on a wrong turn. It’s just an affine transform. If you know the sensitivity and the selectivity of your test (whic

Re: [FRIAM] ill-conceived question

I can’t weave a grand diorama that has the meaning of everything in it, and anything I try will come out a mess. So let me try for Less is More. I think part of this is habit and commitments. Somehow the society has to sort out a predictable way to arrive at who has a right to consume how much

Re: [FRIAM] ill-conceived question

be not... > https://vimeo.com/411278238 <https://vimeo.com/411278238> > > On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 7:23 AM David Eric Smith <mailto:desm...@santafe.edu>> wrote: > I can’t weave a grand diorama that has the meaning of everything in it, and > anything I try will

[FRIAM] Positively selected mutations

Have you guys seen this one: https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.29.069054v1 From Tanmoy Bhattacharya et al. Does not look like good news. Eric .-. .- -. -.. --- -- -..-. -.. --- - ... -..-. .- -. -.. -..-. -.. .- ...

Re: [FRIAM] Warring Darwinians for Glen, Steve

I think the phenomenologists would claim that until you have realized that all worlds are only “inner worlds”, you haven’t properly interpreted the informal use of the word “world” into a philosophically serious frame. Of course they are Continental Philosophers. So one has the option to simply

Re: [FRIAM] Warring Darwinians for Glen, Steve

Psychology > Clark University > thompnicks...@gmail.com > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > -Original Message- > From: Friam On Behalf Of David Eric Smith > Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 4:54 PM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Cof

Re: [FRIAM] What Is the Real Coronavirus Toll in Each State? - The New York Times

There was an article on this, I think NYT, I think sometime last week. So some group is currently doing that on some data set. I too would like to see it done more comprehensively and systematically by some group. Probably I saw the article because somebody posted it to this list. Slap me wh

Re: [FRIAM] Automata with FFT

It’s funny; I know Bert. One of our colleagues played a role in bringing him out to work at Google in Tokyo. A mathematician (Will Cavendish) who has part-time support at IAS https://www.ias.edu/scholars/will-cavendish is also interested in the mathematical dimensions of this, though I have

[FRIAM] What is the response when bad faith is pervasive and coordinated?

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/28/us/politics/election-activists-voter-challenges.html To moan about this may have some small role early, to try to raise awareness (to compensate for the absence of a News

Re: [FRIAM] moral of the story?

Well that’s a relief. > On Oct 21, 2022, at 7:07 PM, glen wrote: > > Experiments Spell Doom for Decades-Old Explanation of Quantum Weirdness > https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.quantamagazine.org%2fphysics-experiments-spell-doom-for-quantum-collapse-theory-20221020%2f&c=E,1

Re: [FRIAM] Obligatory (and gratuitous?) screed about time changes.

Could we split the difference and put it half-way between the two? That way we would be an even number of hours offset from India. > On Nov 4, 2022, at 6:09 PM, Steve Smith wrote: > > as we all know I'm no fan of semi-annual clock changes... and I thought the > Sunshine Act >

Re: [FRIAM] (not) leaving Twitter

On Nov 17, 2022, at 12:23 PM, Roger Critchlow wrote: > > The old Los Alamos National Bank, LANB, was founded by a LANL scientist as an > antidote to big-bank homogenization. There are still hints of that origin in > https://www.linkedin.com/company/los-alamos-national-bank/ >

Re: [FRIAM] collective sheepishness

I wonder if there are ADHD sheep, who always want to move because after a few seconds they are bored where they are. In a random assignment of leadership (leadersheep?), the ADHD ones might show up to take the lead role much more often, since they want to move much more often. Come to think of

Re: [FRIAM] For Nick: tornadoes in the infrared

This is rather magnificent. And the stable structure is an octagon. If I don’t mis-remember, the stable vortex winds we see on the pole(s?) of Saturn is hexagonal. Hmm. Packing of conical objects in a sphere…. Eric > On Nov 30, 2022, at 9:50 PM, Stephen Guerin > wrote: > > One is as wid

Re: [FRIAM] models

n.b. this is a fun note overall, and my only responding to one tiny part of it is not meant as a disregard of the rest; just acknowledgment that I am not prepared to imagine I can say anything original over much of the framing of the question. But, to a detail: > On Dec 8, 2022, at 9:44 PM, Pr

Re: [FRIAM] models

Glen, it looks like there were two copies of the same pain link there. The one on ethical intuitionism seems to have been missing. Do you still have it handy? Eric > On Dec 9, 2022, at 4:11 PM, glen wrote: > > Well, sure. You can always split hairs. But, generally, they're not such > diver

Re: [FRIAM] models

ichael%20Huemer&c=E,1,GCAjVsLoRwQbraVFFet0wN9K5TC-LyJMknzc6tkNO6qO8gY6c5hdskjYh2mbSV3nYOFzPmgj8kWNSzhWoh2zW2-L8fzUQDYGjFOsPo3SmhUl5tS-3uxpaCokZARm&typo=1> > ... though I disagree with almost everything he writes. 8^D > > > On 12/10/22 07:45, David Eric Smith wrote: >> Glen, it

Re: [FRIAM] technical notes on fusion announcement

I doubt the answer would be interesting, but one could give it as a Fermi problem to an undergraduate geology class (who don’t do Fermi problems; but the physicists won’t know any geology). Terawatt-scale extraction of geothermal energy will increase the effective conduction of heat from the bo

Re: [FRIAM] technical notes on fusion announcement

I remember, as a kid, finding this idea wonderful, after reading one or another biography of Tesla. Probably one of them was Prodigal Genius, by John O’Neill. I remember at some young age, I had a chance to ask a power engineer about this, and got a kind pat on the head, and was told that the

Re: [FRIAM] talking to bots is fun for everyone

Interesting. Lack of global awareness duly noted. But also, can you check me on this?: > On Dec 26, 2022, at 7:21 PM, glen wrote: > > This exchange was interesting. I've never seen ⊃° used. > > ⋄⋄ > me: What is the difference between ⊃ and ⊢. > > gpt: The symbol "⊃" i

Re: [FRIAM] talking to bots is fun for everyone

t; Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > > 505 670-9918 > Santa Fe, NM > > On Tue, Dec 27, 2022, 3:19 AM David Eric Smith <mailto:desm...@santafe.edu>> wrote: > Interesting. Lack of global awareness duly noted. > > But also, can y

Re: [FRIAM] talking to bots is fun for everyone

Glen, I think today you are fated to suffer death by a thousand tangents. > On Dec 27, 2022, at 2:41 PM, glen wrote: First, though, thank you for saving me on the other point. I was laughing at the structure of the whole conversation by then. (And thinking about Turing tests for people.) I

Re: [FRIAM] The WEBB seeing back to the first millennia

Citing back to Owen: Gil is right. The universe could be infinite, and it is at the least big enough that we have no positive evidence so far that it isn’t infinite. If it were infinitely large, but only finitely old, then at any given place, the only photons that could yet have sped past us w

Re: [FRIAM] Friday AM

Long a favorite topic of mine. Let me send you a link; almost-surely not the best, but done with ~1min of google searching images: https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0233384 See the 5th fig

Re: [FRIAM] Friday AM

signal as the focus tightens. Anyway, I'll try to read > this over the next few days. Thanks. > > > On 1/3/23 12:31, David Eric Smith wrote: > > Long a favorite topic of mine. > > > > Let me send you a link; almost-surely not the best, but done with ~1min of >

Re: [FRIAM] more bullsh¡t

Your use of chatGTP, Pieter, is to my mind a very interesting thread. There was a columnist for the New York Times many years ago, named William Safire. I don’t even remember now what he wrote about, but he was known, and was significant to me, for being an example of “a good writer”. Safire w

Re: [FRIAM] new thermal tech

I assume “delivers” would have been a better word choice than “produces”. After we create better schools to teach our kids government and citizenship, we should move on and teach them to understand thermodynamics. > On Jan 6, 2023, at 12:27 PM, Gary Schiltz wrote: > > Amusing indeed (the PV

Re: [FRIAM] Dope slaps, anyone? Text displaying correctly?

Nick, the text renders. You use words in ways that I cannot parse. Some of them seem very poetic, suggesting that your intended meaning is different in its whole cast from one I could try for. FWIW: as I have heard these discussions over the years, to the extent that there is a productive ana

Re: [FRIAM] new thermal tech

The thermoacousktic one is interesting, and surprises me a bit. I worked on these systems a bit in the mid-1990s, when in a kind of purgatory in a navy research lab that mostly did acoustics. Broadly, there are two limiting cases for a thermoacoutic engine. One uses a standing wave and is simp

Re: [FRIAM] The WEBB seeing back to the first millennia

much decided to always rely on atomic time. UTC > includes both atomic time and solar time, including the leap intervals. That > time is socially constructed in this way further reinforces that time is not > time, vapid as that point may be in the context of the limits of inference >

Re: [FRIAM] Dope slaps, anyone? Text displaying correctly?

;> wrote: >>This smacks of Feferman's claim that "implicit in the acceptance of >> given schemata is the acceptance of any meaningful substitution instances >> that one may come to meet, but which those instances are is not determined >> by restriction

Re: [FRIAM] Dope Slap Thread

Thanks Nick, I need to affirm and thank Glen for the other post, which does indeed attach to just what I was requesting. But I won’t be able to get to that today. I wanted to reply to this one yesterday, and will hope the idea hasn’t faded enough to miss what seemed to me an interesting direct

Re: [FRIAM] NickC channels DaveW

That might qualify as a DDOS attack. > On Jan 18, 2023, at 7:03 AM, Steve Smith wrote: > > I suppose pouring all of the FriAM traffic into (even my own bloviations) a > chatbot might be a bit usurious (the fool's errand of a fool errant)? > > On 1/17/23 2:37 PM, glen wrote: >> You might try us

Re: [FRIAM] Movement vs. Behavior, and what's in the Black Box

> No one but me knows the content of this message until i click "send" and > they read it. I think you can argue that even this has two layers. There is a narrative “you” that knows the content of the message _after_ it has been typed out but before it has been sent. By then it is an artifac

Re: [FRIAM] the end of the pandemic

Replying to the Snoke post, and only to a specific part of it: Why bother to put a bunch of text into refuting logical fallacies in screeds that were never about deduction in the first place? Here is the republican version. BOASTING: We have dismembered the government! FEINED OUTRAGE: The g

Re: [FRIAM] sum of atomic spectra == 9000K black body?

Frank, > On May 13, 2020, at 7:31 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > > When I worked at the PIttsburgh Supercomputing Center, a division of CMU, we > had a user who produced a visualization of the first few milliseconds after > the big bang. How can they do that? > > Didn't Penzias and Wilson win

[FRIAM] Who gains and who loses

Sorry, but this was too rich. From the general overview blurb https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/16/us/live-coronavirus-news-cases-deaths.html Defying state rules, Atwater, Calif., declares itself a ‘sanctuary city’

Re: [FRIAM] hidden

As I read this,I am reminded of the 20th century (seems to long ago), in which the high-energy physicists dug a social pit for themselves, from which the ones they offended do not want ever to let them escape. Keyword is Reductionism. The narrative went something like this (HEP = High Energy P

Re: [FRIAM] hidden

I like this Glen, particularly the following: > On May 20, 2020, at 2:10 AM, uǝlƃ ☣ wrote: > > I really wish more people would/could permanently install a "methodological" > qualifier in front of every -ism they advocate. So, if you call yourself a > monist, are you a methodological monist? An

Re: [FRIAM] hidden

This is why lists are a death trap, a kind of cognitive-affective pitcher plant. Always there is the impulse to say “Oh no no no! You have misunderstood me!”. But of course there is no sentence compassable that can’t be misunderstood. Whoever is most tenacious will simply outlive the others,

Re: [FRIAM] hidden

This s lovely stuff, Jon, above my understanding and beyond my reach to learn in my current circumstances. Thank you for both. I know Fotini distantly, from brief overlap at SFI; I didn’t understand that this was the particular thing she had done, though I knew this was the general area of her

Re: [FRIAM] hidden

Very nice! > On May 20, 2020, at 1:02 PM, > wrote: > > Sorry for hastily reading your comment on spiritualism. In the meetings of > the Mother Church, there are two or three people of a more or less > spiritualist inclination whom I have been trying to understand and draw out > their threa

Re: [FRIAM] anonymity/deniability/ambiguity

Signal to Nick: You commented on wanting to understand the conversation about formalists and intuitionists which I have been using in various conversations with Glen and Jon. Now is the chance to do it at low cost. Frank has provided two proofs of irrationality of the square root of 2, one fo

Re: [FRIAM] anonymity/deniability/ambiguity

> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > Clark University > thompnicks...@gmail.com <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/> > > > > From: Friam mailto:friam-boun.

Re: [FRIAM] The Second Wave is Gathering

One should do a regression against the popular vote and against the electoral vote. See if the difference between those regression coefficients carries even more information than the separate values. > On May 24, 2020, at 4:04 AM, > wrote: > > https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2020/

Re: [FRIAM] Peirce & Postmordernism

There was a joke Martin Shubik used to like to tell about academics. Excuse me; about parrots. A man sells parrots. They have different costs, colors, habits, etc. This one here’s pretty but not too expensive, he can say 5 words. This one’s more expensive; he can say 50 words. This African G

Re: [FRIAM] anonymity/deniability/ambiguity

e the something you're hiding. I'm struggling to say this concretely, > though. In the trustafarian case, the spanging (dissimulation) couples well > with the dreadlock wax (simulation). Can there be dissimulation without a > complementary simulation? And if not, if they alw

Re: [FRIAM] Interdisciplinary work

Thank you for this, Merle, I always tried to make that the term of use, and mostly failed. Transdicsciplinary is a person with a foot in each of two boats. Not the most comfortable place to stand, but different. Interdisciplinary is the person standing between the two boats without a foot in

Re: [FRIAM] More distraction

No, I think Merle has put her finger exactly on something for which I have been looking, in irritation, for years. Cassandrafreude is another form of vanity. On my farmer list, we have a couple of people who are constituted of it. I don’t think there is anything else left of their personalitie

Re: [FRIAM] Metaphor [POSSIBLE DISTRACTON FROM]: privacy games

Yes, I second this. The way Glen puts the point is exactly right. > On May 28, 2020, at 11:14 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > > Good, Glen. > > --- > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > > 505 670-9918 > Santa Fe, NM > > On Thu, May 28, 2020, 7:50 AM uǝlƃ ☣

Re: [FRIAM] Metaphor [POSSIBLE DISTRACTON FROM]: privacy games

The normal word that is used in linguistics is polysemy. > On May 29, 2020, at 12:48 AM, uǝlƃ ☣ wrote: > > Argh! You people! >8^D > > > On 5/28/20 8:32 AM, Steve Smith wrote: >> I would claim (and maybe this was your intent) that your (Frank) >> apprehension contradicts Glen's partially... a

Re: [FRIAM] Science Commits Suicide (yes, another trolling headline)

Dave, > On May 30, 2020, at 12:32 AM, Prof David West wrote: > > Science suffers from a similar problem. Making assertions as if they were > unalloyed accurate and True Facts when they know that the models, the > assumptions, the data (lack of) generate more ambiguity and conclude little > mo

Re: [FRIAM] Metaphor [POSSIBLE DISTRACTON FROM]: privacy games

Jon, Glen, All, I took Glen’s point in his former post to be the one that also seems overwhelmingly obvious to me. In the rest of the universe outside this thread, we have a relatively rich conceptual landscape for thinking and talking about what it means for words or other units of speech to

Re: [FRIAM] Science Commits Suicide (yes, another trolling headline)

most mature group of > thinkers that I've ever had the pleasure to be a part. I admit that I only > skim a lot of the philosophical ramblings, which are quite over my head, but > I would miss anyone who has been part of the group. > > On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 5:18 PM David Eric Smi

Re: [FRIAM] Metaphor [POSSIBLE DISTRACTON FROM]: privacy games

Hi Jon, No, actually not any issue with any of what you had posted, as also just affirmation toward various historical posts by Glen. Yes, sorry about a thread-rudeness. I had sort of dropped a chunk of something that had been accumulating for a week in the middle of your thread which was in

Re: [FRIAM] Metaphor [POSSIBLE DISTRACTON FROM]: privacy games

eritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > Clark University > thompnicks...@gmail.com <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/> > > > From: Friam mailto:friam-boun...@redfis

Re: [FRIAM] Metaphor [POSSIBLE DISTRACTON FROM]: privacy games

Thanks Jon, Yes, I would also follow your associations to overloading and computer formal-language theory; they seem very natural and close to hand to me as well. It’s challenging because the number of category terms proliferates fast, and each of them is in some way a window on aspects of the

Re: [FRIAM] millenarianism

I don’t know if this embeds within Nick’s thread, but it is a lovely bookend to Marcus’s link: https://econpapers.repec.org/article/ucpjlstud/v_3a29_3ay_3a2000_3ai_3a1_3ap_3a1-17.htm Monetization of high-

Re: [FRIAM] Thoughts on the Floyd protests

John Oliver, several days ago, offered some information on the subject at a time when I had still seen none of any interpretive substance in the NYT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wf4cea5oObY I have since seen a couple of articles that make an effor

Re: [FRIAM] alternative response

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Re: [FRIAM] End most covid transmission?

Nick and all, hi, This will be completely un-useful and un-actionable to anybody, but the way you phrased your question is interesting anyway. When there was a push to develop fuel cells with polymer membranes, to get away from platinum-palladium catalysts, one of the problems was that they nee

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