Re: [FRIAM] From Merle

2025-03-06 Thread Marcus Daniels
If there are a few more big fires caused by electrical distribution, perhaps people will demand that utilities facilitate microgrids? https://abcnews.go.com/US/la-county-pasadena-sierra-madre-sue-socal-edison-eaton-fire/story?id=119485447

Re: [FRIAM] Will it have free will?

2025-03-06 Thread Pieter Steenekamp
Dave, Regarding your statement: *However, I would strongly disagree with your statement, "I see no reason to believe that the human brain and mind possess some uniquely special quality that cannot be replicated—whether in silicon or artificial biology."* *The fallacy that the brain is just anoth

Re: [FRIAM] Will it have free will?

2025-03-06 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Question: If we relied only on third person accounts, would the question of free will ever arise? In what context? n On Wed, Mar 5, 2025 at 7:20 PM Pieter Steenekamp wrote: > First, a quick note on biological computing—it’s a fascinating field. Note > to self: keep an eye on its development.

Re: [FRIAM] Back at the ranch, I'm enjoying the popcorn.

2025-03-06 Thread Pieter Steenekamp
Ouch, that stings! Alright, alright, I hear you—Trump is a very bad guy in your book, and my little joke didn’t exactly get a warm welcome. I’ll *try* (no promises!) to tiptoe a bit more around your strong feelings about your president. On Thu, 6 Mar 2025 at 13:54, Santafe wrote: > > > On Mar

Re: [FRIAM] Back at the ranch, I'm enjoying the popcorn.

2025-03-06 Thread Marcus Daniels
Glen writes: < Even if you think the End is greater than the Means and evil people like Trump can accidentally do good, you have to remember, especially in a forum like this populated by people who claim to think about complexity, there are unintended consequences of every action. > Looking

Re: [FRIAM] Back at the ranch, I'm enjoying the popcorn.

2025-03-06 Thread glen
It's true. And it's not limited to employees. A local small business died late last year. It was owned by 1 person and, regardless of the market, they bear the blame for the failure. They're a personal friend of mine. And, in my opinion, the failure was from bull-headed stubbornness and an inab

Re: [FRIAM] Will it have free will?

2025-03-06 Thread glen
1. Marucs' answer was adequate. But I may have messed up my delivery. The network of machine parts doesn't have a predetermined and homogenous set of inputs. By invoking the scaffolding, I'm trying to point out that there have been layers of development. And those layers use different types of

Re: [FRIAM] Will it have free will?

2025-03-06 Thread Marcus Daniels
A large AI system like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus_(supercomputer) has more transistors than the human brain has synapses, and mostly AI systems are doing tensor operations, not working with symbols. Much of it could an analog system, or biological system like the CL1, if either of t

Re: [FRIAM] From Merle

2025-03-06 Thread steve smith
On 3/6/25 9:35 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: Another reason to go solar and have storage at home.   Lots of sunny days in Santa Fe -- at least when there isn’t smoke from the fires. I'm a big fan of a (more) distributed grid... today the duststorms and the pilups of tumbleweeds would have been

Re: [FRIAM] Will it have free will?

2025-03-06 Thread glen
Yes. I feel like the left- right-brain metaphor is even more insidious than the brain as computer metaphor. I think I once got Dave's agreement that induction, deduction, and abduction were not disjoint forms of inference. Maybe I'm misremembering. But if that's the case, then it seems overly s

Re: [FRIAM] Will it have free will?

2025-03-06 Thread Marcus Daniels
Dave writes: < BTW the human left-brain shares an interesting trait with LLMs. It lies and hallucinates, and frequently. > Glen writes: < What LLMs have shown us is that a mixture of 0 shot (akin to abduction), N-shot (akin to a mixture of induction and deduction), and reasoning/show-your-wor

Re: [FRIAM] Will it have free will?

2025-03-06 Thread Marcus Daniels
Dave writes: < 1-Sure you can create a network of processors connected to a larger network of robots and claim that you are dealing with trillions of inputs but that totally misses the point. Robots only recognize a predetermined and homogeneous set of inputs while a human entity must deal va

Re: [FRIAM] Will it have free will?

2025-03-06 Thread steve smith
I dunno about free will, but I think the first deployable device (CL1) will be used to mine "SPITCOIN" https://corticallabs.com/research.html .- .-.. .-.. / ..-. --- --- - . .-. ... / .- .-. . / .-- .-. --- -. --. / ... --- -- . / .- .-. . / ..- ... . ..-. ..- .-.. FRIAM Applied Complexity