Re: [FRIAM] Datasets as Experience

2023-02-08 Thread glen
I wrote and deleted a much longer response. But all I really want to say is that these *models* are heavily engineered. TANSTAAFL. They are as engineered, to intentional purpose, as a Boeing 777. We have this tendency to think that because these boxes are opaque (more so to some than others), t

Re: [FRIAM] Datasets as Experience

2023-02-08 Thread Santafe
It’s funny. I was reading some commentary on this last week (can’t even remember where now; that was _last week_!), and I remember thinking that the description reminded me of Williams Syndrome in people. They have a grammatical sense that is at the stronger end of the human range, but their

Re: [FRIAM] Datasets as Experience

2023-02-08 Thread glen
I've recently developed a taste for judging people by the content of their character, something I used to and kindasorta still do denigrate as hubris (because our models of others' character are models, always wrong, rarely useful). And one of the best measures of character is how someone respon

Re: [FRIAM] Datasets as Experience

2023-02-08 Thread Marcus Daniels
I read that Bing won’t write a cover letter if asked. I love the idea of a set of files sitting on a filesystem at Microsoft that represent human ethics. It reminds me of people that complain about being characterized by their skill sets. I think we are going to learn just how little we are.

Re: [FRIAM] Datasets as Experience

2023-02-08 Thread Steve Smith
... Rather than posit that these models don't have semantics, I'd posit *we* don't have semantics. The problem with communication is the illusion that it exists. I don't think I know what you mean by these statements? -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. .

Re: [FRIAM] Datasets as Experience

2023-02-08 Thread glen
Ha! It's cool you used the phrase "a set of files". What does "file" mean? I mean, hell, we can't really even well-define "set". The other day, some internet person was complaining that they wanted to leave Twitter now that Elno's taken it to hell. But they needed a Delete. I took the liberty of

Re: [FRIAM] Datasets as Experience

2023-02-08 Thread glen
https://quoteinvestigator.com/2014/08/31/illusion/ Is that irony? Degeneracy? Define "semantics"! >8^D On 2/8/23 12:09, Steve Smith wrote: ... Rather than posit that these models don't have semantics, I'd posit *we* don't have semantics. The problem with communication is the illusion that

Re: [FRIAM] Datasets as Experience

2023-02-08 Thread Steve Smith
https://quoteinvestigator.com/2014/08/31/illusion/ Is that irony? Degeneracy? Define "semantics"! >8^D degenerate, recursive irony  up the down rabbithole through the looking glass all the way down... My first memory of appreciating this was when I was introduced to Bertrand Russ

Re: [FRIAM] Datasets as Experience

2023-02-08 Thread Marcus Daniels
I don't know what Bing uses for storage, or how it relates to OpenAI's added codebase. There are older references to use of TensorFlow at OpenAI, but things may have changed. The "file" would likely be the serialization of the (distributed) tensors of the ChatGPT model. One possible way st

Re: [FRIAM] experience monism

2023-02-08 Thread Nicholas Thompson
to friam Dear David and other helpful persons, Thanks again for your help here. Man! Do I look forward to your definitive work on experience! All this cogitation is exhausting me. Your comment that I might dismiss your questions has an edge that I didn’t see when you first made it. There is,