Re: [FRIAM] Patriotic Millionaires

2022-03-07 Thread Eric Charles
Marcus, Let's say you have a neighbor who's always talking about wanting to support the girl scouts, and who even goes so far as to set up a web page about how important it is to support the girl scouts, and pays to have signs printed and distributed around town about how important it is to support

Re: [FRIAM] Patriotic Millionaires

2022-03-07 Thread Marcus Daniels
Let’s say it is not a box of cookies but a four year college scholarship or a Javelin missile launcher. The millionaire might be able to pay those individually, but no one else. In that situation there is no sales for the individual girl scouts to perform. At best a few heroic medium-sized do

Re: [FRIAM] space projects?

2022-03-07 Thread Marcus Daniels
lol, or a suitcase of high explosives https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/07/technology/inversion-suitcases-space.html On Mar 6, 2022, at 3:01 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:  24,000 pounds, that’s no big deal for Starship. https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/russia-ukraine-war-possible-space-projects-elon

Re: [FRIAM] what's the view from Europe?

2022-03-07 Thread glen
Yep. And EricS mentioned him awhile back, as well. I'm like 99% sure his name is Justin King. http://justinking.org/ It's not clear to me why he adopted a pseudonym, maybe for similar reasons to Scott Alexander. I gather at the time he started the YouTube channel, he was still training profes

Re: [FRIAM] what's the view from Europe?

2022-03-07 Thread Sarbajit Roy
Yes, Prof.John Mearsheimer is very insightful and balanced with a deep sense of history. His Great Delusion lecture is also entertaining https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZVIaXFN2lU In addition to the view from Europe, you may also be interested in the view from India https://www.youtube.com/watch?

Re: [FRIAM] what's the view from Europe?

2022-03-07 Thread Marcus Daniels
From Mearsheimer’s argument, Ukrainian nationalism can drain Russian resources just like it did in Afghanistan. On Mar 7, 2022, at 7:32 AM, Sarbajit Roy wrote:  Yes, Prof.John Mearsheimer is very insightful and balanced with a deep sense of history. His Great Delusion lecture is also entertai

Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics

2022-03-07 Thread glen
Very nice! Thank you. And please don't think you owe any responses whatsoever. Fora like these are a *pastime*, engaged for fun, though I'll admit to the occasional professional clue provided by the diaspora. But know that your contributions are valued. It sounds to me like you're making a 2 p

Re: [FRIAM] what's the view from Europe?

2022-03-07 Thread Sarbajit Roy
He's updated himself here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppD_bhWODDc On Mon, Mar 7, 2022 at 9:18 PM Marcus Daniels wrote: > From Mearsheimer’s argument, Ukrainian nationalism can drain Russian > resources just like it did in Afghanistan. > > On Mar 7, 2022, at 7:32 AM, Sarbajit Roy wrote: > >

Re: [FRIAM] what's the view from Europe?

2022-03-07 Thread Marcus Daniels
It seems like the NATO wins any way you roll the dice: 1) Ukraine is destroyed and is an object lesson in why NATO is important, or 2) Ukraine holds on for a while and creates resistance within Russia or at least creates an economic disaster and weakens their ability to sustain their next outin

Re: [FRIAM] what's the view from Europe?

2022-03-07 Thread glen
Well, for the wartime profiteers amongst us: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/mar/07/tech-community-rallied-ukraine-cyber-defence-eu-nato "Cyber" was already everywhere, nauseously so. But now it'll be even worse. On 3/7/22 09:45, Marcus Daniels wrote: It’s great for the militar

Re: [FRIAM] Patriotic Millionaires

2022-03-07 Thread Eric Charles
Pick a cause if you want, or just send your money to the government if the point is that you think the government should have it. ¯\_ (ツ)_/¯ A Javelin missile costs $175,203 according to Wikipedia. 4 years of college education is cheaper than that at most institutions. *Any *millionaire could ju

Re: [FRIAM] Patriotic Millionaires

2022-03-07 Thread Marcus Daniels
I guess I don’t see the issue. If a millionaire feels like they can sponsor advertisement and get more total money spent, that seems like a good call? And it seems fine and unavoidable to me to encourage people to project their values into a lower dimensional space so that the binning effects ca

Re: [FRIAM] Patriotic Millionaires

2022-03-07 Thread glen
It's not clear to me if EricC is accidentally or purposefully distorting the message. In order for us to accuse the participants in Patriotic Millionaires (PM) of *not* supporting any given cause, we'd need to look at their individual philanthropy. Looking at the stances, lobbying, and messagin

Re: [FRIAM] what's the view from Europe?

2022-03-07 Thread Marcus Daniels
It seems like the productive efforts are the ones that aren't just cyber but involve expertise about relevant industrial systems. And I bet a lot of them are not repeatable -- the holes get plugged after a round of victimization. One would have to know what to do with the access which is exp

Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics

2022-03-07 Thread Steve Smith
And thanks to both of you for this fuzzy-thread that runs through a lot of your discussions here.  I don't feel intellectually (or focusly) capable of parsing everything here offered out to the fringe/fray at the edge of the implicative network offered.  Not even a spanning-tree of it most of t

Re: [FRIAM] Patriotic Millionaires

2022-03-07 Thread Frank Wimberly
FWIW my grandson Matthew's photo is on the front page of the Santa Fe New Mexican because of his work to send packages to Ukrainian refugees. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Mon, Mar 7, 2022, 11:04 AM glen wrote: > It's not clear to me

Re: [FRIAM] Patriotic Millionaires

2022-03-07 Thread Marcus Daniels
Great. My folks are in the UCC in Oregon, they are distributing money through a branch in Hungary. From: Friam On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly Sent: Monday, March 7, 2022 10:44 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Patriotic Millionaires FWIW my grandson

Re: [FRIAM] Patriotic Millionaires

2022-03-07 Thread Frank Wimberly
Also great. I understand that UCC is among the most universalist of the denominations. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Mon, Mar 7, 2022, 12:14 PM Marcus Daniels wrote: > Great. My folks are in the UCC in Oregon, they are distributin

Re: [FRIAM] Patriotic Millionaires

2022-03-07 Thread Marcus Daniels
Lol, supercomputer xenophobia. I prefer the approach of Zora on Star Trek Discovery. But I was totally onboard with the Trust! That little snot had it coming. Just goes to show you different people can see the same thing in completely different ways. -Original Message- From: Friam

Re: [FRIAM] Patriotic Millionaires

2022-03-07 Thread Eric Charles
Glen, Intentional, but not distortion. If they were advocating more funding to cancer research, then just as you suggest we would want to see if they also gave philanthropically to support cancer research. If they were advocating more funding to the arts, then we would want to see what they gave

[FRIAM] Enamine

2022-03-07 Thread Jon Zingale
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Re: [FRIAM] Patriotic Millionaires

2022-03-07 Thread Frank Wimberly
Do any tax return forms have an item that says, "Gift to the US Treasury"? It might work. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Mon, Mar 7, 2022, 2:10 PM Eric Charles wrote: > Glen, > Intentional, but not distortion. > > If they were advocat

Re: [FRIAM] Patriotic Millionaires

2022-03-07 Thread Marcus Daniels
The usual arguments about switching from an income tax to a wealth tax seem to apply here. Fund the IRS at a level it can extract everything it can according to law. I don’t understand why it is wealthy people should be held to a higher standard than non-wealthy people. If the tax rate needs

Re: [FRIAM] Patriotic Millionaires

2022-03-07 Thread Steve Smith
On 3/7/22 2:17 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote: Do any tax return forms have an item that says, "Gift to the US Treasury"?  It might work. I can't remember the year I quit ignoring the "give $1 to the US Presidential Election Fund" because I "didn't want to encourage the Bastards" and started checki

Re: [FRIAM] Enamine

2022-03-07 Thread Marcus Daniels
I guess Mearsheimer would say this poor guy is brainwashed by his Western puppet masters, or an elite acting against the interests of his (non) countrymen? From: Friam On Behalf Of Jon Zingale Sent: Monday, March 7, 2022 1:15 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: [FRIAM] Enamine https://enamine.ne

Re: [FRIAM] what's the view from Europe?

2022-03-07 Thread Sarbajit Roy
Both authors of the article are affiliated to the notoriously imperialistic Chatham House think tank. On Mon, Mar 7, 2022 at 11:19 PM glen wrote: > Well, for the wartime profiteers amongst us: > > > https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/mar/07/tech-community-rallied-ukraine-cyber-defenc

Re: [FRIAM] what's the view from Europe?

2022-03-07 Thread Marcus Daniels
There are articles like this one https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/mar/02/civilised-european-look-like-us-racist-coverage-ukraine One might deduce from this that Anglo-Saxon imperialist media doesn’t really care about countries having non-Anglo-Saxon civilian populations destroyed b

Re: [FRIAM] what's the view from Europe?

2022-03-07 Thread Frank Wimberly
The state if the Internet in Russia: https://qz.com/2138398/the-russian-internet-is-a-casualty-of-the-war-with-ukraine/ --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Mon, Mar 7, 2022, 4:04 PM Marcus Daniels wrote: > There are articles like this one

Re: [FRIAM] what's the view from Europe?

2022-03-07 Thread Sarbajit Roy
The point is that the US should strictly keep its nose within its own boundaries and not export its ideologies globally, eg. as in the Reagan doctrine. For instance, if the India Govt wants to directly buy defensive S-400 missiles from Russia in preference to US systems, what gives the USA the rig

Re: [FRIAM] what's the view from Europe?

2022-03-07 Thread Marcus Daniels
In absence of a common set of values to reason from – ideology – there is no basis for anything other than might makes right. From: Friam On Behalf Of Sarbajit Roy Sent: Monday, March 7, 2022 6:40 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] what's the view fro