Re: [FRIAM] curiosities ...

OK. That makes sense. It's possible I simply can't see far/deep enough to get past the *extant* right wing extremism I see all around the world, including federal troops on the streets of Olympia to kidnap "woke" protesters as well as what's happening in Poland, Turkey, Russia, etc. It's possibl

Re: [FRIAM] OK. That's funny.

Thought of another way, I can interpret Peirce-truthiness in terms of alethic operators. Let's say that an apt-belief is Peirce-true if it belongs to the collection of everyone's potential apt-beliefs, in other words, they will be found to be necessarily apt-believable (□). This leaves the collecti

Re: [FRIAM] Sunchoke rhizomes

I am so happy to hear that there may be hope for growing sunchokes here in town. Sarah is always looking for plants that do well in this climate, and can even be sympathetic to plants others find unsavory for their voraciousness (tree of heaven, for instance). She likes the weeds for their compost

Re: [FRIAM] How is a vector space like an evolutionary function?

For those algorithmically inclined readers, I coded up the examples in Haskell. While the soberSort, keyShuffle, and compositeSort could each be written in a few lines, I took the time to build out a KeySortable type class and wrote the examples relative to it. There are 4 files involved: Spandel.h

Re: [FRIAM] Sunchoke rhizomes

How do you prepare sunchokes? I planted some from the farmers market about ten years ago in my parents garden. They are still coming up. It would be great to know how to prepare them. I find that they don't taste great and act as a bit of a laxative. Another plant that is working its way back from

Re: [FRIAM] Sunchoke rhizomes

Ahhh, "sunchokes". Put in a bunch when we first moved to the Mosquito Infested Bog in 1970. They thrived pretty much on their on for 20 years. Didn't much like the flavor, myself, so we didn't bother them much. The sugar is a pentose, I think. The flowers were nice. My cousin liked them, a

Re: [FRIAM] Sunchoke rhizomes

Ha! https://www.desertortoisebotanicals.com/blogs/news/sonoran-plant-profile-puncture-vine You gotta love the internet. On 8/6/20 8:58 AM, cody dooderson wrote: > How do you prepare sunchokes? I planted some from the farmers market about > ten years ago in my parents garden. They are still comi

Re: [FRIAM] Sunchoke rhizomes

Ha, yeah, the goat heads are useless. I am one of those heathens that like the taste of sunchokes raw. Amaranth is pretty great and I like their wine-colored tops. Does it do very well here? -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. .

Re: [FRIAM] Sunchoke rhizomes

Ha, scratch that, I didn't realize that *terror of the earth* gives humans more sexiness powers. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam

Re: [FRIAM] Sunchoke rhizomes

I remember dealing with what my family called "goatheads" when I was a toddler in rural New Mexico. If you look at what my grandson calls prickers closely you can see a goat's head including two horns and a beard. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa F

Re: [FRIAM] Sunchoke rhizomes

Photo of goathead burrs: https://www.hogsatemysister.com/stupid-evil-goat-heads-and-sticker-wars/ On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 10:27 AM Frank Wimberly wrote: > I remember dealing with what my family called "goatheads" when I was a > toddler in rural New Mexico. If you look at what my grandson calls

Re: [FRIAM] OK. That's funny.

Jon, I was the youngest in my family by many years and have the psychology of a tag-along. When you leap ahead like this, I feel like a little kid left behind in my bulky snowsuit in the deep snow, while my siblings, and the dog, bound off into the distance. "Hey, WAIT FOR ME!" One little s

Re: [FRIAM] Sunchoke rhizomes

Cody - > How do you prepare sunchokes? I planted some from the farmers market > about ten years ago in my parents garden. They are still coming up. It > would be great to know how to prepare them. I find that > they don't taste great and act as a bit of a laxative. I eat them both raw (sliced thin

Re: [FRIAM] Sunchoke rhizomes

That reminded me of this fantastic scene from a fantastic tv show: https://youtu.be/EbkKaiqXmPU On 8/6/20 10:26 AM, Steve Smith wrote: > I have tried chewing the > mature-but-fresh seeds and didn't find them at all interesting... just > fibrous. -- ↙↙↙ uǝlƃ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. ..

Re: [FRIAM] Sunchoke rhizomes

> That reminded me of this fantastic scene from a fantastic tv show: > > https://youtu.be/EbkKaiqXmPU That is closer to what happened when I tried tasting the seeds of the "Moonflower" plants that grow sporadically here . This year, my in-courtyard shady garden sprouted dozens which (my genera

Re: [FRIAM] Sunchoke rhizomes

Despite my credentials as a naturalist, I am not fond of big bugs. I don't know if you have ever seen the hornworm "butterfly" but they are about as large and noisy as black helicopters and near as mean looking. If your horn worm is carrying little white packages on its back, leave it be, T

Re: [FRIAM] OK. That's funny.

Nick, Nick, > One little scrap I can grasp at here, and perhaps make a contribution. > There is a subtle point, perhaps a weakness in Peirce, to which the term > "believable" points. Note the mode. "believable--that which is readily > believed." But Peirce is pointing not to that but to "th

Re: [FRIAM] OK. That's funny.

Nick, Running my Haskell model produces an output to the screen that one can view as doing the thing we expect, but I doubt it will tell you anything you didn't already know. It could have been written in many different ways, but I choose to separate out the details of the implementation so that t

Re: [FRIAM] Sunchoke rhizomes

> Despite my credentials as a naturalist, I am not fond of big bugs. I don't > know if you have ever seen the hornworm "butterfly" but they are about as > large and noisy as black helicopters and near as mean looking. I love those moths...  not the hornworms (esp. on my Tomatoes) so much...  

Re: [FRIAM] OK. That's funny.

Jon If -- big if -- I (we) were to write a paper about intentionality, the law of short sighted striving, spandrels, unanticipated consequences that become consequential, etc. as a kind of universal principle, and perhaps have it submitted to JASSS or Behavior and Evolution, THEN it would be love

Re: [FRIAM] OK. That's funny.

Ha, ok. It would take a couple of hours or the better part of a weekend to make something aesthetically satisfying. I rather like how the compositeSort turned out :) -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity

Re: [FRIAM] Abducktion

Ha! It's good to see that 7 years later the advice is effectively the same, "Hey Nick! listen to what the Haskell crowd has to say about your problem!!!" -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group lists

Re: [FRIAM] curiosities ...

Glen/Dave - I propose that we consider two axes:   Authority and Violence. Authority can have different qualities, such as governance vs religious vs rational vs social...  and Violence can vary from physical threat to financial threat to rejection and shaming.    I agree generally with Glen

Re: [FRIAM] Abducktion

Hi, Jon, Forgive me, but can you spell that out a bit? How does working in a particular programming Language shape an approach to the problem. Nick Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson

Re: [FRIAM] Abducktion

“When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.” On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 9:54 PM wrote: > Hi, Jon, > > > > Forgive me, but can you spell that out a bit? How does working in a > > particular programming Language shape an approach to the problem. > > > > Nick > > > > Nicholas Thompso

Re: [FRIAM] Abducktion

Gary, Nah. He means more than that. Even ordinary languages predispose users to one kind of discourse or another. I assume that programming languages do the same. N Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University

Re: [FRIAM] Abducktion

Nick, When not much is happening on the list, I like to go spelunking through the archives and engage the serendipity of the stacks. What amazes me most is how often the same ideas, conversations, and approaches have materialized since 2003. With so much content here, I wonder to what extent a bot

Re: [FRIAM] Abducktion

Maybe Friam itself could be my hammer? Nick, if you would like to chat programming languages tomorrow on zoom I would love to. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p

Re: [FRIAM] Abducktion

I will be there from around ten, and somewhat subdued, I hope, having had my ears boxed for talking about political action, and being totally buried by the conversation between you and Glen and Steve, this week. So, sure. I think the question of whether some program languages "afford"different