Re: [FRIAM] "certain codes of conduct"

2020-07-29 Thread uǝlƃ ↙↙↙
I thought we did reply to it. My reply was basically that such a managed evolution will have unintended consequences that will likely be worse than the problem it's trying to solve. Solutions to problems like this should be, IMO, *in* and *of* the ecology, not artificially strapped to it with ba

[FRIAM] a different kind of credibility (risk)

2020-07-29 Thread uǝlƃ ↙↙↙
No Evidence That Doctor Group in Viral Video Got Near COVID 'Front Lines' — Who are the physicians behind America's Frontline Doctors? https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/87797 I feel a bit sorry for the *other* actual doctors on this list, other than Stella Immanuel [⛧]. Sim

Re: [FRIAM] "certain codes of conduct"

2020-07-29 Thread thompnickson2
Glen, A Bleeding Heart Liberal [hereafter, BHL], such as myself, believes that there is something to be valued in that which we collectively intend. So, it's good when we get together, make a plan, and try to execute it. We BLH's stipulate that there are perils in such collective action, that

Re: [FRIAM] a different kind of credibility (risk)

2020-07-29 Thread Steve Smith
Glen - Thanks for the medpagetoday link...  I have only obliquely followed the falderal generated from this stage show without realizing anything much about the original event (the "press conference" by these folks)...   I had the odd pleasure of having a strong conspiricist (Tami) living in my h

Re: [FRIAM] "certain codes of conduct"

2020-07-29 Thread uǝlƃ ↙↙↙
It's kinda weird. I feel like you didn't read a word I wrote. What you're calling "collective action" is NOT collective action. It is abstraction of some objective into an individual organization, like a government agency, corporation, NGO, etc. Both of your BHL and NJL are hostile violations of

Re: [FRIAM] a different kind of credibility (risk)

2020-07-29 Thread uǝlƃ ↙↙↙
Yep. It's tough to balance an appreciation for imaginary constructs against hard-nosed productivity. But it's relatively easy if you think, as I do, that all thought is nonsense. What matters is what happens. What one thinks is irrelevant. So both Tami and Ed are wrong in the primacy they attrib

Re: [FRIAM] "certain codes of conduct"

2020-07-29 Thread thompnickson2
Oh, God. I've failed again. n Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of u?l? ??? Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 10:46 AM To: FriAM Sub

Re: [FRIAM] "certain codes of conduct"

2020-07-29 Thread Merle Lefkoff
Eric, thank you for your reply. Forgive me for suggesting a larger systemic problem, connected for me to the problems in our democratic system, our global economic system, and our international governance system--and also ultimately related to the existential threat of the collapse of the living s

Re: [FRIAM] "certain codes of conduct"

2020-07-29 Thread thompnickson2
Hi, Eric, Thanks for laying this out. I think some of it’s wrong, but it’s clear and provocative. I apologize to non-academics on the list for my focus on academia. I suppose one might argue that the best thing that might happen to Massachusetts is the dismemberment of Harvard and the di

Re: [FRIAM] "certain codes of conduct"

2020-07-29 Thread Steve Smith
I haven't been able to retrieve the reference but I recently read/heard something about the fact that post-feudal economic/political organizations inherited the paradigm of managing scale and complexity through hierarchy.   Capitalistic Republics/Democracies and Socialist/Communist societies with "

Re: [FRIAM] "certain codes of conduct"

2020-07-29 Thread uǝlƃ ↙↙↙
Yes! My mind is, at the moment, polluted with modal logic, which will probably corrupt what I'm about to write. In my ignorance, I'll call the Hayekian principle: that the *imposition of engineered controllers on open systems* will bias the evolution of the system toward undesirable outcomes. Wh