Re: [FRIAM] The Covid Game

2020-07-04 Thread Eric Charles
Roger, Given that the number of confirmed cases in the U.S. is still likely a small fraction of the number of actual infections... and infected youngsters are still showing infinitesimal risk several months after the outbreak started... I think "asymptomatic" directly to "recovered" seems very plau

Re: [FRIAM] detritus from vFRIAM

2020-07-04 Thread Prof David West
Nick, A second answer re: the entity that has self-interest: the Ghost in the Machine, Charlotte Johansen. davew On Fri, Jul 3, 2020, at 1:24 PM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: > Thanks, Dave, > > What is the self-interest that is being served in such a system. What is the > entity that “h

Re: [FRIAM] detritus from vFRIAM

2020-07-04 Thread Eric Charles
Lookey here bub "Mr. Jones will be acting on his own behalf" is a legal notion, being asked to do work here that it really, really isn't meant to do. Acting on your own behalf contrasts with "Mr. Jones, Esquire, is filing this brief on behalf of Mega Corp" and "Mr. Jones is acting on behalf o

Re: [FRIAM] detritus from vFRIAM

2020-07-04 Thread thompnickson2
Thanks, Eric, These ARE the right sorts of questions. Thanks for asking. Recall, the phrase, “Acting in it’s own behalf” did not come from me, but rather was a definition of life offered by Steve, which I admired for its plain-spokenness. It had the ring of something that could be pra

[FRIAM] Talking parrot

2020-07-04 Thread Jochen Fromm
Something for Bruce? Grey parrots can imitate other animals remarkably well.https://youtu.be/WQ_wO0r16ww-J.- . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/l

Re: [FRIAM] The Covid Game

2020-07-04 Thread Roger Critchlow
Eric -- There's this from June 23, https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/06/23/864536258/we-still-dont-fully-understand-the-label-asymptomatic The findings are consistent with several studies following asymptomatic > patients in China, which have found that many can >

[FRIAM] Free will, 7-3-20 meeting

2020-07-04 Thread Eric Charles
In the 7-3-20 FRIAM meeting the "Free will" discussion developed in some interesting ways that I would like to capture. - We started with a question about whether we could coherently deal with "the feeling of free will" from an evolutionary perspective, independent of any question about

Re: [FRIAM] The Covid Game

2020-07-04 Thread Eric Charles
Huh... so... there are a few ways to deal with that I guess which gets us back to the issue of who gets to decide "asymptomatic" (the patient or the doctor) - because "has permanent lesions in their lungs" sure seems like something a doctor would consider "a symptom" I guess, either way, w

Re: [FRIAM] Talking parrot

2020-07-04 Thread Frank Wimberly
I had a friend in Pittsburgh who had an African Gray named George and a Cairn Terrier named Bonnie. George constantly heard people call "Here, Bonnie!" so he decided to do so occasionally. Bonnie would run to George. George's owner had three teenagers so he decided to teach him to say, "It's not

Re: [FRIAM] Free will, 7-3-20 meeting

2020-07-04 Thread thompnickson2
Thanks, Eric, for doing this. What a great summary! After you left, we went on to discuss many things, but right now, I cannot remember a single word. Perhaps somebody else can help. I think there was quite a lot of LaGrangian talk. Or was that ANTI-LaGrangian talk. Nick Nicholas

Re: [FRIAM] Book publishing advice needed

2020-07-04 Thread Tom Johnson
Jochen: The deal being offered strikes me as a bad deal. Background: I have been practicing and teaching about "Be Your Own Publisher" for nearly 15 years. There are, in my opinion, some major problems with all publishers today. It starts with control of the copyright. I think YOU should want

Re: [FRIAM] Book publishing advice needed

2020-07-04 Thread thompnickson2
Tom, This information is so interesting. Thanks for providing it. Apparently the industry has really changed since my books were published. Publisher’s contracts are awful and even then I had to markup the contracts they sent me extensively before I could sign them. When I went to publi

Re: [FRIAM] Freedom of opinion or fascist trap

2020-07-04 Thread thompnickson2
Gary, Ever since I hitchhiked around France as kid I have had an article lurking in my craw about your subject, variations in conceptions of freedom across the “western” world. The idea of giving my passport into my hotel when I checked in inorder that the police could come look it over i

Re: [FRIAM] The Covid Game

2020-07-04 Thread Roger Critchlow
Or maybe give them an "unknown chance" of permanent damage, that they can redeem at some time in the future. Did you win or lose? Only time will tell. -- rec -- On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 1:26 PM Eric Charles wrote: > Huh... so... there are a few ways to deal with that I guess which gets > u

Re: [FRIAM] Book publishing advice needed

2020-07-04 Thread Jochen Fromm
Thanks. Yes, self-publishing is an option. I am looking for an official publisher mainly for one reason, namely that other scientists and researchers can cite it, since I still cling to the illusion that someone would actually do it. Normally self-published texts are not considered as reliable o

Re: [FRIAM] Book publishing advice needed

2020-07-04 Thread Tom Johnson
Another advantage of self-publishing is that you retain the copyright. Ergo, you can license it to a publisher for an updated edition or just distribution. Tom Tom Johnson - t...@jtjohnson.com Institute for Analytic Journalism -- Santa Fe, NM USA

Re: [FRIAM] Book publishing advice needed

2020-07-04 Thread thompnickson2
At the very list, the contract should explicitly say that rights revert to the author when the publisher no longer maintains the book in print and promotes it. I often edited my magazine contracts to give only first rights. I agree with Tom, that copyright should stay with the author. N

Re: [FRIAM] Book publishing advice needed

2020-07-04 Thread Frank Wimberly
My self-published memoir sold over 100 copies. I doubt that it has been cited since it's not a scholarly work. At this point I get annoyed when Amazon sends me a royalty payment because it means I have to pay taxes to New Mexico. Paying is no problem but filing is. Anyway Amazon (KDP) did the p

Re: [FRIAM] Book publishing advice needed

2020-07-04 Thread Jacqueline Kazil
I wrote a book with a major publisher and got 15% (if memory serves me right). If I did it again, I would self publish and pay for a freelance editor. The value really depends on your intended audience. My guess is your book niche and you will be able to navigate distribution better than a publis

Re: [FRIAM] Book publishing advice needed

2020-07-04 Thread Frank Wimberly
I hired an Amazon editor. She said, I say boastfully, "There were virtually no spelling, grammar, or punctuation errors so let's talk about structural issues..." --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Sat, Jul 4, 2020, 3:05 PM Jacqueline Kazi

Re: [FRIAM] Book publishing advice needed

2020-07-04 Thread thompnickson2
That’s impressive, Frank. n Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam On Behalf Of Fra

Re: [FRIAM] Book publishing advice needed

2020-07-04 Thread Edward Angel
I’ve been a book author since 1972 and a textbook author since 1989. My computer graphics textbook has been the most popular book in the area for 20 years and just came out in its eighth edition with various editions being available in Chinese, Korean, Japanese and Russian. Sadly, the book busin

Re: [FRIAM] Book publishing advice needed

2020-07-04 Thread Stephen Guerin
On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 3:09 PM Frank Wimberly wrote: > I hired an Amazon editor. She said, I say boastfully, "There were > virtually no spelling, grammar, or punctuation errors so let's talk about > structural issues..."[image: Proofreading mark insert period symbol] > Insert period before thre

Re: [FRIAM] Book publishing advice needed

2020-07-04 Thread thompnickson2
And I’M the person on this list who has a reputation for being rhetorically picky Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpress

Re: [FRIAM] Book publishing advice needed

2020-07-04 Thread Frank Wimberly
I was more careful when submitting the book. I always used the Oxford comma, for instance. But thanks. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Sat, Jul 4, 2020, 5:06 PM Stephen Guerin wrote: > > On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 3:09 PM Frank Wimberly

Re: [FRIAM] Book publishing advice needed

2020-07-04 Thread Stephen Guerin
Ed, I just ordered your 8th edition from Pearson as I was blown away by the awesomeness of the new cover. :-) The confirmation email tells me

Re: [FRIAM] Book publishing advice needed

2020-07-04 Thread Edward Angel
Let me know what you need this weekend. I don’t have a card whatever that is but it seems like another doomed effort to prevent unauthorized copies. There are some good aspect to the eversion, some of which they denied would work while we were doing the book. I finally got a login from Pearson

Re: [FRIAM] Illegal copies of your book

2020-07-04 Thread Edward Angel
Yes. libgen is a mirror site for libgen.io that has everything on it. It gets taken down every once in a while. They lost a suit from the publishers but being located in Eastern Europe that doesn’t help. When I first went to the site, it asked me to turn off my add blocker so

Re: [FRIAM] Illegal copies of your book

2020-07-04 Thread Gillian Densmore
I'll put this out their as I suspect a unpopular opinion. It's be been my unfortunate experience teachers want ridiculously expensive specialty books. The most egregious was some prof for a management class that thought it'd be a good idea to drop 700 dollars on a book. Most of the class except som

Re: [FRIAM] John Baez on Noether

2020-07-04 Thread Jon Zingale
Some more Baez on Noether: http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/noether.html This one is a quick read and gets right at the heart of the idea. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays

Re: [FRIAM] Illegal copies of your book

2020-07-04 Thread Gillian Densmore
the most asinine thing was the prof was at SFCC the community college. It wasn''t specialized PHD level work for a lot of articles to do something pioneering. Just some guy that had a hard on for princeton hall, and hasn't spent a day of his life in actually business management. The prof that was d

Re: [FRIAM] Book publishing advice needed

2020-07-04 Thread Eric Charles
Nick said " the contract should explicitly say that rights revert to the author when the publisher no longer maintains the book in print and promotes it." I handwrote that into the contract for the book on New Realism (presumably based on a suggestion from you). Alas, that's an almost nonsensical

Re: [FRIAM] Book publishing advice needed

2020-07-04 Thread Edward Angel
Publishers are not good guys. One counter example: CRC Press returned the copyright to a couple books in which I had chapters because there weren’t many sales and we were able to put our chapters online. The books had only been out a couple of years. Pearson has violated by contract in a way th

Re: [FRIAM] Book publishing advice needed

2020-07-04 Thread thompnickson2
Eric, If you had the rights back, what would you do with them? N Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpress.clarku.edu/ntho

Re: [FRIAM] God

2020-07-04 Thread Russell Standish
On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 04:06:01PM +0200, Jochen Fromm wrote: > I am not sure I agree with the arguments from you Russ. You say "People aren't > the same, but they are similar - and human society functions because we can > predict to some extent what other people are likely to do [...]. We have als