Re: [FRIAM] Curmudgeons Unite!

Jon, As an observer of software "engineering" since its inception in 1968 (my first job as a programmer was that fall, and that spring/summer is when the NATO conference first coined the phrase), I can and will (braggadocio here) state that most software CANNOT be engineered, precision or other

Re: [FRIAM] Curmudgeons Unite!

Please post a link to your paper. I for one would love to read it. On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 3:45 AM Prof David West wrote: > Jon, > > As an observer of software "engineering" since its inception in 1968 (my > first job as a programmer was that fall, and that spring/summer is when the > NATO confer

Re: [FRIAM] Curmudgeons Unite!

I won't mention 5ESS again since I already described that software development accomplishment. My elder daughter's husband has a job that puts him in an interesting position. He is working on a large IT project where the customer is the US Department of Labor. His employer is a subcontractor whi

Re: [FRIAM] Curmudgeons Unite!

Gary, others interested https://objectguild.com/papers/westProgrammingHard2019.pdf davew On Sat, Feb 8, 2020, at 2:40 PM, Gary Schiltz wrote: > Please post a link to your paper. I for one would love to read it. > > On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 3:45 AM Prof David West wrote: >> __ >> Jon, >> >> As

Re: [FRIAM] Curmudgeons Unite!

Here! Here! The Paper, the Paper!!! Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam On Behalf

Re: [FRIAM] Curmudgeons Unite!

Dave, While I agree that there are likely to be many systemic reasons for this electoral failure, I am unwilling to go so far as to claim that the design of a critical application voting app belongs to the class of impossible tasks. Maybe a little flippantly and without dragging this entire post

Re: [FRIAM] Curmudgeons Unite!

Jon writes: “A rhetoric which can be summarized as: failure legitimizes institutions.” “We continue to form rhetoric about the impossibility of doing otherwise, rather than calling these institutions out for what they are, namely failing to adequately serve their functions.” And one does what wh

Re: [FRIAM] Curmudgeons Unite!

Well, hang on there, Marcus! “More perfect” than what? All species succumb to extinction, but that doesn’t make extinction our goal, does it? Nick Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University thompnicks..

Re: [FRIAM] Curmudgeons Unite!

On Sat, Feb 08, 2020 at 09:44:20AM +0100, Prof David West wrote: > Jon, > > As an observer of software "engineering" since its inception in 1968 (my first > job as a programmer was that fall, and that spring/summer is when the NATO > conference first coined the phrase), I can and will (braggadocio

Re: [FRIAM] Curmudgeons Unite!

Nick writes: < “More perfect” than what? > Historically, more than a federal government that acts indirectly upon states. A government that can ensure more rights of citizens rather than less. Marcus FRIAM Applied Complexity Group li

Re: [FRIAM] Curmudgeons Unite!

Hi, Marcus, Do you have a model in mind? A place where they do it better? N Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpress.cl

[FRIAM] Up and Out vs Down and in

All, I have a friend who reads a lot of history and thinks HARD about what he reads. For months he has been reassuring me about the state of American democracy because, as he said, Trump wasn't a well focused dictator like Hitler. But I saw him last Monday and he asked me, with an air of gen