Re: [FRIAM] post you seem to have missed from FRIAM

2019-11-21 Thread Prof David West
Marcus, "puritanism" was mentioned only because Nick, and indirectly Frank, used the term as a self-descriptor. Obviously there are other reasons for self imposed limits other than puritanism. You might not pour gasoline on your computer to improve it, but you might overclock it. For me, hallu

Re: [FRIAM] post you seem to have missed from FRIAM

2019-11-21 Thread Nick Thompson
Can somebody explain “overclocking” That’s a new one for me. Nick Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ From: Friam [

Re: [FRIAM] post you seem to have missed from FRIAM

2019-11-21 Thread Marcus Daniels
Nick writes: < Can somebody explain “overclocking” > A computer's processor (CPU) runs at a certain clock rate. These days it is around 3 billion cycles per second on average. A higher clock rate will generate more heat and increase the risk of a malfunction (or a meltdown). To mitigate th

Re: [FRIAM] post you seem to have missed from FRIAM

2019-11-21 Thread Marcus Daniels
Dave writes: < Interestingly, most hallucinogens also have a side effect like overclocking — of generating excess heat. > It seems to me the body has a built-in mechanism for lowering the imposition of reality: REM sleep. To remember (some) dreams, all I have to do is sleep in a little. A

Re: [FRIAM] post you seem to have missed from FRIAM

2019-11-21 Thread Steven A Smith
Nick - I think the "overclocking" analogy is not entirely fitting to the larger discussion of "altered states" because it merely invokes a quantitative increase, but might be a good starting point to continue the discussion.  I *don't* find the appeal of a 30% faster CPU very compelling, so am no

Re: [FRIAM] means of production take 2

2019-11-21 Thread glen∈ℂ
Excellent! Thanks for that summary. I don't want to disagree with much of what you said, because what I'm trying to do is work out why some people can use the phrase "ownership of the means of production" with a straight face. 8^) What you lay out below worked. I did *not* grok that the key dif

Re: [FRIAM] post you seem to have missed from FRIAM

2019-11-21 Thread glen∈ℂ
And among the reasons I don't have a security clearance is to preserve the *option* of taking cocaine, at will. 8^) I agree with both you and Dave in that I would not choose to take cocaine. But I might choose to take other drugs. E.g. I've taken some THC since it's been legal, here. It's fun f

Re: [FRIAM] post you seem to have missed from FRIAM

2019-11-21 Thread Nick Thompson
Glen, Marcus, Steve, Your reactions to my "puritan" probe completely surprised me, and I realize that I don't have a good grip on your perspectives. In a good "school", I should be able to anticipate, or even channel, the reactions of other members such that I could, if necessary, fill in if

[FRIAM] means of production take 3

2019-11-21 Thread Nick Thompson
All, Because I now have two computers that don't work, one newer than the other, I decided I didn't have bandwidth (or clockspeed) for a discussion of Marxism, when it broke out last week. So forgive me if I am tilling old ground. I have rethreaded to minimize harm to the ongoing conversatio

Re: [FRIAM] means of production take 3

2019-11-21 Thread Marcus Daniels
Nick writes: < Dogs seem to have (or enact) a concept of ownership. > Just have to bite on this one: My cattle dog seems to think of her collar as jewelry. If I take it off she chases after me and tries to get it back. < This scheme is known as altruistic enforcement because from a Dar

[FRIAM] Fwd: Upcoming 60 Minutes broadcast

2019-11-21 Thread George Duncan
This "60 Minutes" segment should be of interest to many FRIAM folk. George Duncan Emeritus Professor of Statistics, Carnegie Mellon University georgeduncanart.com See posts on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram Land: (505) 983-6895 Mobile: (505) 469-4671 My art theme: Dynamic exposition of the tensi

Re: [FRIAM] post you seem to have missed from FRIAM

2019-11-21 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
The only way to fix this is to do what I'm trying to do with Steve in the "means of production" thread. He seemed to use "means of production" as if it's a meaningful concept. And because I can't make sense of the phrase, I've asked him why he finds it meaningful. Then when he explains himself,

Re: [FRIAM] post you seem to have missed from FRIAM

2019-11-21 Thread Steven A Smith
Nick - I'll second Glen's suggestion that you delineate as best you can, specific things you don't understand and iterate with one or more of us an those as best you can.   As evidenced by my discussion with Glen on "means of production", it can be rather grueling for both sides, but since I have