Re: [FRIAM] post you seem to have missed from FRIAM

2019-11-20 Thread Prof David West
Nick, and Frank, Puritanism is one of those things that IS relative, in the sense that most everyone has a line that is not to be crossed, for no objective, rational, reason but just because "I don't want to." I won't use recreational drugs (e.g. cocaine), drink to excess, or read (well I have,

Re: [FRIAM] flattening -isms

2019-11-20 Thread Prof David West
Glen, The primary source of the assertion is probably Rick Strassman, M.D., a clinical psychiatrist at the University of New Mexico. I have some other papers in a filing cabinet back in Utah that seem to take endogenous DMT as a given and then focused on why and how it got there. davew On Tu

Re: [FRIAM] post you seem to have missed from FRIAM

2019-11-20 Thread Frank Wimberly
Dave, I smoked hashish in 1969. I drank to excess as recently as 1970. I tried TM, apparently unsuccessfully. My dad used to say, "How do you know you don't like it if you haven't tried it?", referring to food he liked such as corned beef and cabbage. Pretty Puritanical I guess. Frank --

Re: [FRIAM] post you seem to have missed from FRIAM

2019-11-20 Thread Prof David West
Frank, A puritan in a fast car planning to smoke the vette in the next lane when the light turns green and then laughing out loud when he does so. Interesting, and not exactly Roger Williams. davew On Wed, Nov 20, 2019, at 2:19 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > Dave, > > I smoked hashish in 1969.

Re: [FRIAM] post you seem to have missed from FRIAM

2019-11-20 Thread Frank Wimberly
Dave, I don't laugh out loud; I cringe guiltily. --- Frank Wimberly My memoir: https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly My scientific publications: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 Phone (505) 670-9918 On Wed, Nov 20, 2019, 7:34 AM Prof

Re: [FRIAM] flattening -isms

2019-11-20 Thread glen∈ℂ
Thanks. The evidence is still correlational, I suppose. But this article seems to provide strong evidence that rats do it: Biosynthesis and Extracellular Concentrations of N,N-dimethyltryptamine (DMT) in Mammalian Brain https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-45812-w I'm still skeptical, of

Re: [FRIAM] means of production take 2

2019-11-20 Thread glen∈ℂ
Yes, I am most definitely concentrating on the *right* to destroy (my *claim* over something), not merely the ability to destroy something that others may have claim/right to/over. So, your text below is largely unrelated to my sense of "right to destroy". The mere *ability* to deprive another

Re: [FRIAM] flattening -isms

2019-11-20 Thread Prof David West
Glen, Your question challenged the grounds on which I made the simple assertion (one that I had made many times before). Other than Strassman who directly asserts the human brain makes DMT, all the other sources seemed to take that as a given and look at other aspects, so I did to. Obviously, i

Re: [FRIAM] flattening -isms

2019-11-20 Thread Nick Thompson
Here from the Neuropsychopharmacologia Hungarica 2007, IX/4; 201-205, which, of course, I follow religiously, is a lovely little summary which is NOT behind a paywall. I like to think of our author, bathed in e

Re: [FRIAM] means of production take 2

2019-11-20 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
I suppose what I'm faced with is that if you don't recognize your own argument (albeit abstracted) in what I'm saying, I have to return to the drawing board and come up with a new inference that differs significantly from my old one. So, here goes. The main thread you seem to have pressed is abo

Re: [FRIAM] flattening -isms

2019-11-20 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
Well, even here, we see the admission: "This pessimistic view, however, is not shared by everybody in the field and further re-search needed to clarify this issue." Of course, at some resolution, it's irrelevant whether the DMT was ingested, say by eating some rat meat 8^), or produced from try

Re: [FRIAM] post you seem to have missed from FRIAM

2019-11-20 Thread Marcus Daniels
Dave writes: < Puritanism is one of those things that IS relative, in the sense that most everyone has a line that is not to be crossed, for no objective, rational, reason but just because "I don't want to." I won't use recreational drugs (e.g. cocaine), drink to excess, or read (well I have, b

Re: [FRIAM] means of production take 2

2019-11-20 Thread Steven A Smith
Glen - My temptation is always to respond point-by-point (with larding) but since I think we have been "all over the place" on this thread I will try to focus on what I think you have focused on here. 1) I think of the most expansive model of "ownership" to be about the "exclusive right/ability t