Re: [FRIAM] MoNA

2019-10-28 Thread glen∈ℂ
Well, that's a reasonable heuristic. But there are complications. A good example might be the "preemptive strike", when you perceive a slow-growing threat, some of which may have a noisy signal prone to misinterpretation. (Thinking Iraq invasion.) E.g. our home grown domestic terrorists like Ri

[FRIAM] John Steinbeck's Epic Ocean Voyage Rewrote the Rules of Ecology | Arts & Culture | Smithsonian

2019-10-28 Thread Barry MacKichan
I haven’t followed this closely, but has anybody mentioned this recent piece from the Smithsonian magazine? https://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/ship-sent-john-steinbeck-epic-ocean-voyage-may-ride-again-180972847/ Sent from my pocket quantum computer. ==

Re: [FRIAM] MoNA

2019-10-28 Thread Marcus Daniels
Glen writes: < When you see an insidious threat like Richard Spencer and even though he's not physically attacking you at the moment, you *think* he's inciting violence in some of his less refined flock, so you sucker punch Spencer during an interview. > Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez had a great qu

Re: [FRIAM] MoNA

2019-10-28 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
I doubt it. I forget who the aphorism is attributed to, but "Never ascribe malice when incompetence will suffice" comes to mind. These subversive approaches may simply stretch the competencies and energy of the people who would otherwise carry them out. It's possible that it's simply too difficu

Re: [FRIAM] MoNA

2019-10-28 Thread Frank Wimberly
To me "RMS" denotes Richard M. Stallman but that's because I'm old I guess. --- Frank Wimberly My memoir: https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly My scientific publications: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 Phone (505) 670-9918 On Mon, Oc

Re: [FRIAM] MoNA

2019-10-28 Thread Marcus Daniels
Glen writes: < These subversive approaches may simply stretch the competencies and energy of the people who would otherwise carry them out. It's possible that it's simply too difficult to do the work, especially if the motivations and incentives are occult. > AOC's contrast is nice because the

Re: [FRIAM] MoNA

2019-10-28 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
Yes. RMS: https://www.theverge.com/2019/9/17/20870050/richard-stallman-resigns-mit-free-software-foundation-epstein On 10/28/19 9:53 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > To me "RMS" denotes Richard M. Stallman but that's because I'm old I guess. -- ☣ uǝlƃ ===

Re: [FRIAM] MoNA

2019-10-28 Thread Marcus Daniels
And, https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/new-mexico/articles/2019-09-16/santa-fe-institute-received-275-000-through-jeffrey-epstein From: Friam on behalf of uǝlƃ ☣ Sent: Monday, October 28, 2019 10:57 AM To: FriAM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] MoNA Yes. RMS: https

Re: [FRIAM] MoNA

2019-10-28 Thread Barry MacKichan
I’m still stuck on “root mean square”. L 2, Brute? --Barry On 28 Oct 2019, at 12:53, Frank Wimberly wrote: To me "RMS" denotes Richard M. Stallman but that's because I'm old I guess. --- Frank Wimberly My memoir: https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly M

Re: [FRIAM] MoNA

2019-10-28 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
Yeah, Warren's stunt was nice, too. [https://www.cnet.com/news/warren-runs-a-false-facebook-ad-to-protest-false-facebook-ads/] Again, though, this seems to be about rhetoric, not ingrained morality. AOC and Warren are *arguing* one point, Cambridge Analytica et al are arguing another point. Tru

Re: [FRIAM] MoNA

2019-10-28 Thread Marcus Daniels
Glen writes: "Again, though, this seems to be about rhetoric, not ingrained morality. " Except with the rhetoric (misinformation campaign) has a subversive operational side to it? That is too complex? It wasn't for the Trump campaign and the Russians. It is simply incompetence that explains

Re: [FRIAM] MoNA

2019-10-28 Thread Marcus Daniels
Barry writes: < I’m still stuck on “root mean square”. L 2, Brute? > The person would be better understood using a tail statistic. Marcus From: Friam on behalf of Barry MacKichan Sent: Monday, October 28, 2019 11:10 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexit

Re: [FRIAM] MoNA

2019-10-28 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
Hm. OK. If I try my best to steel-man an argument, I'd have to say the only thing ingrained is the tendency to think systemically (democrats) versus the tendency to think causally (republicans). I can posit this is ingrained in their biology, either learned as they're reared or is some kind of g

Re: [FRIAM] MoNA

2019-10-28 Thread Marcus Daniels
Consider a large software project. It can be thought of as an org-chart with roles and responsibilities of people each having complementary skills. A new project can be thought of as a Platonic design that (just) needs a competent implementation. A new project could also be a free-wheeling e

Re: [FRIAM] MoNA

2019-10-28 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
Very cool way to frame it! It well captures how I think of Pelosi, in contrast to AOC and Warren. Pelosi seems capable of maintaining multiple ways of operating to meet objectives that might seem to conflict otherwise. And I agree that *experienced* people do this ... have learned to do this ...

Re: [FRIAM] MoNA

2019-10-28 Thread Marcus Daniels
Glen writes: < If we've spent our experienced years building and cleaning up occult infrastructure and we aren't replaced by people with similar Necker-cube swapping abilities, our legacy will be whatever mode dominates as we crash: hegemonic infrastructure or bursts of throwaway Bash code. >

Re: [FRIAM] MoNA

2019-10-28 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
Yeah, well said. I guess I hope the same thing. On 10/28/19 12:25 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > I hope that is not true. I hope that the swapping abilities become a > selective advantage in civilization. I think it is along the lines of your > advocacy for role playing. The folks who don't w

Re: [FRIAM] John Steinbeck in the 21st century

2019-10-28 Thread Steven A Smith
> Jochen, > >   > > */ /* > > */“WEAK”??/* > > Suh!   Pistols at Dawn! > /One bright day, in the middle of the night two young boys stood up to fight back to back they faced the other drew their swords and shot one another / >   > =

Re: [FRIAM] MoNA

2019-10-28 Thread Steven A Smith
This was one of the best threads in a while IMO.   I was still studying the background material from the OP moral foundations theory (MFT) and the flagship study as I caught up with the evolving thread.   I am still fascinated by the MFT work, etc... The AOC/Warren v Zuckerberg/FB examples were ver

Re: [FRIAM] John Steinbeck in the 21st century

2019-10-28 Thread Nick Thompson
“… a deaf policeman heard the noise, And came to rescue those two dead boys.” Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ From: Fria