Re: [FRIAM] More on levels of sequence organization

2019-05-04 Thread Nick Thompson
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Re: [FRIAM] More on levels of sequence organization

2019-05-04 Thread Marcus Daniels
Roger writes: "The hierarchy in this case looks like linguistic compression to me, a way of summarizing results, the system is not depending on the levels of organization to work, we find levels convenient for explanations of how the system works." Glen writes: "I'm loosely analogizing with Ko

Re: [FRIAM] More on levels of sequence organization

2019-05-04 Thread glen∈ℂ
Right. But that's the point, I think. To what extent are semantics invariant across these supposed "levels"? My argument is that "levels" are figments of our imagination. The best we can say is that iteration constructs something that we find convenient to name: "level". But what reality is act

Re: [FRIAM] A Question For Tomorrow

2019-05-04 Thread glen∈ℂ
Ha! Reading and comprehension are 2 different things. I read a lot and understand almost nothing. So, there's that. But thanks for acknowledging whatever effort I do put in. Let me try a more pragmatic rhetoric. Marcus' story about debugging a GGC is useful, here. I spend all day, every day,

Re: [FRIAM] More on levels of sequence organization

2019-05-04 Thread Russell Standish
On Sat, May 04, 2019 at 05:25:54PM -0700, glen∈ℂ wrote: > Right. But that's the point, I think. To what extent are semantics invariant > across these supposed "levels"? My argument is that "levels" are figments of > our imagination. The best we can say is that iteration constructs something > th

Re: [FRIAM] More on levels of sequence organization

2019-05-04 Thread Frank Wimberly
If you're moving up from the phoneme to the word to the phrase level and some result in the last disambiguates between two phonemes, what difference does it make that you've violated some strict hierarchy? The case can be made that Raj Reddy won the Turing award based partly on his leadership of t

Re: [FRIAM] More on levels of sequence organization

2019-05-04 Thread Frank Wimberly
Turing Award Pradesh, India EDUCATION: B.S., Civil Engineering, Guindy College of Engineering, Madras, (Now Anna University, Chennai), India, 1958; MTech, University of New South Wales, Sydney, Australia, 1960; PhD Stanford University, 1966. EXPERIENCE: