[FRIAM] Fwd: Citizens of Santa Fe: Weigh in on the future of the SFUAD Campus!

2018-01-25 Thread Merle Lefkoff
Hi Nick, Thought you might be interested in this. -- Forwarded message -- From: Leslie Lakind Date: Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 11:41 PM Subject: Citizens of Santa Fe: Weigh in on the future of the SFUAD Campus! To: -- Forwarded message -- From: Saguna Severson

Re: [FRIAM] merging with the mob

2018-01-25 Thread Marcus Daniels
Glen writes: “Well, I'm not much of a sports oriented person. But sometimes they're useful.” Certainly, sports metaphors are useful to understand tribalism, because sports are tribal activity. I’m reminded of visiting a company in Austin to discuss a project of mutual interest. I didn’t rea

Re: [FRIAM] merging with the mob

2018-01-25 Thread ∄ uǝʃƃ
On 01/25/2018 05:39 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > My take is that they wanted someone that would project into their (lower > dimensional) tribal space in a seamless way. It was an important part of > how they got along. > > You alluded to collective measures of fitness. A progressive’s me

Re: [FRIAM] merging with the mob

2018-01-25 Thread Nick Thompson
Apologies for arriving late at the party and then quibbling, but I assume we all agree that not all groups of people with a common set of values and interests are "mobs". As I wrote in a BRILLIANT POST …a week or so back, not all group thought is Group Think. To believe otherwise is li

[FRIAM] 750+ American Communities Have Built Their Own Internet Networks | beSpacific

2018-01-25 Thread Tom Johnson
https://www.bespacific.com/750-american-communities-have-built-their-own-internet-networks/ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/fr

Re: [FRIAM] merging with the mob

2018-01-25 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
On 01/25/2018 08:42 AM, Nick Thompson wrote: > Apologies for arriving late at the party and then quibbling, but I > assume we all agree that not all groups of people with a common set of values > and interests are "mobs". We can't really agree on that unless we define "mobs" in such a way a

Re: [FRIAM] merging with the mob

2018-01-25 Thread Steven A Smith
Glen/Nick/Marcus/List - When reading Ben Franklin's autobiography as a young man (me not Ben), I remember being disturbed by his observation about the members of the Continental Congress as (paraphrase) "building factions in response to a particular topic, then dissolving and reforming them into d

[FRIAM] D3

2018-01-25 Thread Owen Densmore
Have any of us used D3.js (Data Driven Design)? If so, any pointers on getting started? Its pretty "thick". -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://re

Re: [FRIAM] [WedTech] D3

2018-01-25 Thread Robert Ballance
I’ve been deep in it for the past week or two. You are right about it’s approachability. The first issue is to beware that v3 and v4 are different enough that you have to look closely at each example! ... Bob > On Jan 25, 2018, at 10:47, Owen Densmore wrote: > > Have any of us used D3.js (

Re: [FRIAM] merging with the mob

2018-01-25 Thread Marcus Daniels
Another distinction I would make, not directly in response to any recent remarks in this thread, is the distinction between people (or groups of people) and ideas. True, a group can be built around some ideas, and that group can have high cohesion or a thick membrane, but ideas can exist witho

Re: [FRIAM] merging with the mob

2018-01-25 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
I think both Occupy and the Tea Party, present challenges to your argument, here. What about mobs *without* a "master equation"? ... an, in principle, incompressibility? ... they don't generalize at all? In either case, even the most coherent advocates failed in their descriptions of the "mov

Re: [FRIAM] 750+ American Communities Have Built Their Own Internet Networks | beSpacific

2018-01-25 Thread cody dooderson
What is the state of municipal broadband internet in Santa fe? Cody Smith 2018-01-25 9:58 GMT-07:00 Tom Johnson : > https://www.bespacific.com/750-american-communities-have- > built-their-own-internet-networks/ > > > FRIAM Applied Comp

Re: [FRIAM] merging with the mob

2018-01-25 Thread Marcus Daniels
< It seems to me like you're claiming the comprehensions *always* exist and are, at least in principle, computable. > A parochial perspective doesn't *aim* to synthesize multiple local representations into a global view; it aims to only focus on one local prescription. Only by having the ambi

Re: [FRIAM] merging with the mob

2018-01-25 Thread Eric Smith
> The truth (as in the eventual consensus after years of haggling) will be > "everything in moderation, including moderation". Being trapped by an > entraining pattern is good, as long as it's not permanent. My preferred way to say this, for many years now, has been “Some things in moderation”

Re: [FRIAM] merging with the mob

2018-01-25 Thread Steven A Smith
I think it just represents their attempt to moderate their response to you! btw... as I wrote that I realized how differently we use the term "moderate"  as a verb and as an adjective or noun.   The noun seems to naturally derive from the verb... that if a process is moderated then it's outcome/re

Re: [FRIAM] merging with the mob

2018-01-25 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
I laughed, though I'm not a logician. But both of you are pointing out why "some things in moderation" is different from "everything ... including moderation". The latter is obviously loopy, self-referential. It wears its "logical depth" on its sleeve. The former is flattened out, which is w