Re: [FRIAM] Anyone from England

2016-06-27 Thread Frank Wimberly
>From Tom Wilkinson on Facebook. I assume he's English: There are a few camps here. The first is those that voted "Leave" as a protest against the current government. They thought there was no way that Leave would win (evident they didn't read the same opinion polls I did), and immediately regret

Re: [FRIAM] Anyone from England

2016-06-27 Thread glen ☢
What I don't quite understand is, if referenda are "consultative" and non-binding, why all the hoopla? Why can't they simply factor the results into a more rational process? This is especially curious if Cameron plans to/will resign anyway. And also curious given the Bregret. Did the pre-re

Re: [FRIAM] Anyone from England

2016-06-27 Thread Edward Angel
It’s not a legally binding vote but Cameron has both resigned (as of October) and said he will honor the vote. Ed ___ Ed Angel Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab) Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico 10

Re: [FRIAM] Anyone from England

2016-06-27 Thread glen ☣
On 06/27/2016 12:54 PM, Edward Angel wrote: It’s not a legally binding vote but Cameron has both resigned (as of October) and said he will honor the vote. So, he has to file for article 50 because he said he'd file. A politician being bound by his word? That seems even less binding than the

Re: [FRIAM] Anyone from England

2016-06-27 Thread Frank Wimberly
Maybe he wants out and sees this as an opportunity? Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz Santa Fe, NM 87505 wimber...@gmail.com wimbe...@cal.berkeley.edu Phone: (505) 995-8715 Cell: (505) 670-9918 -Original Message- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of

Re: [FRIAM] Anyone from England

2016-06-27 Thread Marcus Daniels
Despair wasn't what I was getting from the body language of David and Samantha Cameron. Perhaps kind like Boehner..? http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/26/opinion/sunday/hell-is-other-britons.html -Original Message- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly

Re: [FRIAM] Anyone from England

2016-06-27 Thread glen ☣
On 06/27/2016 01:59 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: Despair wasn't what I was getting from the body language of David and Samantha Cameron. Perhaps kind like Boehner..? I have to admit that I'm interested in the rhetoric that says: We should elect Trump as President because we need to get it out o

Re: [FRIAM] Anyone from England

2016-06-27 Thread Gary Schiltz
Not sure where I read it (perhaps someone here on the list posted it), but I read that Cameron says that he will wait for the next PM to make the decision if and when to pull the Article 50 trigger. Incidentally, I'm surprised that popular referenda are not legally binding. On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at

Re: [FRIAM] Anyone from England

2016-06-27 Thread Marcus Daniels
My dog is never going to learn anything from Trump presidency. If there is shooting in the streets he'll be anxious. He will want to flee, but on a leash he'll opt to fight.Then he'll look at me with that "What the hell was that?" look. How do I tell him it is just a stupid exercise for the

Re: [FRIAM] Anyone from England

2016-06-27 Thread glen ☣
Ah, thanks. After your e-mail, I found this: http://www.politico.eu/article/david-cameron-we-wont-trigger-article-50-now/ “We need to determine what kind of relationship we want with the EU, and that is rightly something for the next prime minister and their cabinet to decide,” said Camero

[FRIAM] Mobile Vulgis was: Anyone from England

2016-06-27 Thread Steven A Smith
With our own election hoopla, I find myself considering the implications of democracy as we practice it (and perhaps even as we imagine or idealize it). While I am observing said hoopla with my usual "morbid fascination", I am truly disturbed by the possibility that we ARE degenerating to a

Re: [FRIAM] Anyone from England

2016-06-27 Thread glen ☣
Well, maybe the learning isn't devo; maybe it's more evo? ... similar to the disruption of the "keep a steady job then retire" motif my parents understood, that is total bvllsh!t now. Or perhaps the "work hard, buy a house" motif? Or "go to school so you can get a job"? Or even "read, read,

Re: [FRIAM] Mobile Vulgis was: Anyone from England

2016-06-27 Thread glen ☣
If they'd get someone like Samantha Bee or John Oliver to moderate it, _then_ it might be a good thing. On 06/27/2016 03:09 PM, Steven A Smith wrote: That said, I'm still holding out for a 4-way debate with Bernie as Independent and Gary Johnson as Libertarian. I think the Donald would get s

Re: [FRIAM] Mobile Vulgis was: Anyone from England

2016-06-27 Thread Steven A Smith
Good point... I used to be holding out for a Stephen Colbert/Tina Fey ticket for the Republicans... THEY would have swept the field on both sides for entirely different reasons! On 6/27/16 4:19 PM, glen ☣ wrote: If they'd get someone like Samantha Bee or John Oliver to moderate it, _the

Re: [FRIAM] Anyone from England

2016-06-27 Thread Marcus Daniels
"But those dogs who aren't fixed might have puppies who will begin learning the lesson." 1) bite hard, say, around the neck or underbelly, and without hesitation 2) make lots of puppies Marcus FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Me

Re: [FRIAM] Anyone from England

2016-06-27 Thread Nick Thompson
Gary, Not sure if your surprise is ironic or not, but parliament is “sovereign”. And, none of the major players seems eager to be the one that pulls the article 50 trigger. Everybody seems to think that they were going to use the vote to get a better deal from the EU. Hence, the EU minis