Re: [FRIAM] Subjectivity and intimacy (lost in the weeks?)

2016-02-29 Thread John Kennison
Hi, Russ, Eric, Nick, et al, I hope you will humor me and carry out my request to help me get a clearer sense of your exchanges. Below, I present a series of observations about a man who is driving a car followed by a conclusion that one might draw. I am asking each of you whether the conclusio

Re: [FRIAM] Subjectivity and intimacy (lost in the weeks?)

2016-02-29 Thread Eric Charles
Oh, I like this game! I admit all of the observations, though I might rephrase some of it a bit if I were being really anal. Most obviously, instead of saying the man "looks tense and frustrated" I might say something about his "frustration being easily discernible." That would imply that his

Re: [FRIAM] Subjectivity and intimacy (lost in the weeks?)

2016-02-29 Thread Roger Critchlow
There's an article in this weekend's issue of the NYTimes Sunday Magazine about what Google has learned about how groups work and fail to work. One of the test instruments used presents pictures of peoples' eyes and asks what the people are feeling. Ah, the "Reading the Mind in the Eyes Test".

Re: [FRIAM] Subjectivity and intimacy (lost in the weeks?)

2016-02-29 Thread Marcus Daniels
Why should less productive individuals enjoy “psychological safety” if they aren’t essential to getting the job done?Perhaps so when they are let go, they will be so surprised and disoriented they won’t act in an organized aggressive fashion towards those that are essential and to management

Re: [FRIAM] Subjectivity and intimacy (lost in the weeks?)

2016-02-29 Thread Nick Thompson
John, I don't think yours is a well formed question. All observations are scientific, if they are in principle repeatable. Now, here we strike the first problem because in point of fact, no observation is repeatable. (We never step in the same stream twice, etc.) So, the only way we can act

Re: [FRIAM] Subjectivity and intimacy (lost in the weeks?)

2016-02-29 Thread glen
Great answer! However, it passes the buck to a new question. You seem to be implying that the only things that are "scientifically meaningful" are the things that _construct_ science. John's game doesn't (necessarily) involve the construction of scientific meaning. I read it purely as _app

Re: [FRIAM] Subjectivity and intimacy (lost in the weeks?)

2016-02-29 Thread glen
I suppose REC didn't include the link so as to avoid implicitly encouraging others to read the article. I have no such scruples: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/28/magazine/what-google-learned-from-its-quest-to-build-the-perfect-team.html On 02/29/2016 10:18 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: Why shou

Re: [FRIAM] Subjectivity and intimacy (lost in the weeks?)

2016-02-29 Thread Nick Thompson
Hi, Glen, See larding below: Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ -Original Message- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of glen Sent: Monday, Februa

Re: [FRIAM] Subjectivity and intimacy (lost in the weeks?)

2016-02-29 Thread glen
On 02/29/2016 03:44 PM, Nick Thompson wrote: [NST==>Glen. I started to write a long cranky note, claiming to disagree with this, but then I realized that I didn’t understand it. Unless, you are arguing … is this it? … that we can use a scientific abstraction to interpret an observation which

Re: [FRIAM] Subjectivity and intimacy (lost in the weeks?)

2016-02-29 Thread Roger Critchlow
By all means, read the article, but it was the idea of reading feelings in pictures of eyes that seemed apropos to the ongoing discussion. I thought it was clear that Google already knew how to hire productive individuals, the question was why they, reliably productive individuals, made such unpre

Re: [FRIAM] Subjectivity and intimacy (lost in the weeks?)

2016-02-29 Thread Marcus Daniels
“What type of prospective employee would sacrifice personal measures of productivity for group measures?” What I’m suggesting is that the group measures may not serve the group benefit. By being sensitive to vulnerability and insensitive to competitive pressures, the whole ship may be put a

Re: [FRIAM] Subjectivity and intimacy (lost in the weeks?)

2016-02-29 Thread Russ Abbott
This has moved so far beyond what I'm capable of thinking about that I'm lost. (Although I thank Nick for crediting me with pointing out the activity of the visual cortex. Good point -- even though it didn't occur to me to refer to it.) I'm still way back at a much simpler question. What do Nick a

Re: [FRIAM] Subjectivity and intimacy (lost in the weeks?)

2016-02-29 Thread Nick Thompson
REC ETC, Hi Roger, I see you floating on Boston Harbor, even though I know you aren’t there yet. Let me know when you finally are, so I can feel less foolish. Reading Minds through the eyes would be, in behavioral terms, just making good use of the behavior that follows when you gi