Re: [FRIAM] COVID SaO2 at 7k feet

2021-09-28 Thread uǝlƃ ☤ $
Steelman which one? I proposed 3: 1) SpO2 may not be accurate. 2) Health apps are only used by an rareified demographic. 3) Composition of individual effect to group effect is hard. It sounds like you're targeting (3), given your mention of NOVID and R0. But it's related to both (1) and (2) by t

Re: [FRIAM] COVID SaO2 at 7k feet

2021-09-28 Thread Steve Smith
Yours is a pretty good strawman use case, do you have a steelman one? My tin man ideation was more like:   If you have or can get an SPO2 monitor (especially a continuous read like the Ouros rings),   then add a simple app that gets a baseline from your readings and then alerts you to anomolies th

Re: [FRIAM] COVID SaO2 at 7k feet

2021-09-28 Thread uǝlƃ ☤ $
Well, it's worth noting that SpO2 is *not* a good approximation to SaO2 under a pretty large variety of conditions. So, given that most of our electronic health record data is seriously dirty already, adding even more, dirtier, data doesn't seem all that useful to me. Add to that the fact that

Re: [FRIAM] COVID SaO2 at 7k feet

2021-09-28 Thread Steve Smith
When COVID hit, I was using a fitness band that was *capable* of reading SPO2 but it required a deliberate "stop and hold the band tight against the wrist and trigger and take several readings but accept the highest"...  there were one or more new "fitness rings" out which presumably did better (b

Re: [FRIAM] COVID SaO2 at 7k feet

2021-09-27 Thread Jochen Fromm
Get well soon! If you have cold-like symptoms it would make sense to make a Covid-19 test. Then you have clarity. Mild versions of the disease can look like a cold. Our health minister (who was now voted out at the weekend with his conservative party, thankfully) was tested positive and he had o

Re: [FRIAM] COVID SaO2 at 7k feet

2021-09-27 Thread ⛧ glen
l Message- >From: Friam On Behalf Of Steve Smith >Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 9:05 PM >To: friam@redfish.com >Subject: Re: [FRIAM] COVID SaO2 at 7k feet > > >On 9/27/21 4:11 PM, uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote: >> What am I struggling with? > > "But while fighti

Re: [FRIAM] COVID SaO2 at 7k feet

2021-09-27 Thread ⛧ glen
Ah, I see. No,this infection is run of the mill. Just snort some salt water and wait it out. I monitored my SpO2 as a signal whether to get a covid test. Since it never dropped very low, I had no fever, no loss of smell/taste, etc., I didn't bother to get a covid test. Had any one of those obtai

Re: [FRIAM] COVID SaO2 at 7k feet

2021-09-27 Thread thompnickson2
Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 9:05 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] COVID SaO2 at 7k feet On 9/27/21 4:11 PM, uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote: > What am I struggling with? "But while fighting my infection" I took this to mean you were "strugglin

Re: [FRIAM] COVID SaO2 at 7k feet

2021-09-27 Thread Steve Smith
On 9/27/21 4:11 PM, uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote: > What am I struggling with? "But while fighting my infection" I took this to mean you were "struggling" with an infection. I understand/appreciate that your SPO2 numbers weren't necessarily causing you any symptoms... I assume you were measuring them for

Re: [FRIAM] COVID SaO2 at 7k feet

2021-09-27 Thread Marcus Daniels
? ?>$ Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 3:11 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] COVID SaO2 at 7k feet What am I struggling with? Thanks for the stories about SpO2. They nicely demonstrate that variation is normal. To be clear, when I talk about SpO2, I'm not talking about symptoms at

Re: [FRIAM] COVID SaO2 at 7k feet

2021-09-27 Thread uǝlƃ ☤ $
What am I struggling with? Thanks for the stories about SpO2. They nicely demonstrate that variation is normal. To be clear, when I talk about SpO2, I'm not talking about symptoms at all. I'm simply talking about the number that comes from the little machine. I've never had any symptoms that cor

Re: [FRIAM] COVID SaO2 at 7k feet

2021-09-27 Thread Steve Smith
Maybe helpful (or not)...  Sorry to hear you are struggling with it. A decade ago I had a no good very bad winter of breathing which finally pushed me in to see a Doctor.   Their readings were in the low 70s and would have hospitalized me if I hadn't flat refused (I felt no worse than I had for mo

Re: [FRIAM] COVID SaO2 at 7k feet

2021-09-27 Thread uǝlƃ ☤ $
ctor for death from COVID-19. Just to cheer you > up. 😊 > > -Original Message- > From: Friam On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$ > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 11:29 AM > To: friam@redfish.com > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] COVID SaO2 at 7k feet > > Of course, "

Re: [FRIAM] COVID SaO2 at 7k feet

2021-09-27 Thread Marcus Daniels
Anemia shows up as a risk factor for death from COVID-19. Just to cheer you up. 😊 -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$ Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 11:29 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] COVID SaO2 at 7k feet Of course, "blinking an eye&qu

Re: [FRIAM] COVID SaO2 at 7k feet

2021-09-27 Thread uǝlƃ ☤ $
Of course, "blinking an eye" should be suppressed by a professional. E.g. I was anemic during and for a long while after my cancer treatment. But, in context, anemia is irrelevant. Nobody blinked an eye. But for Renee's recent visit, she was also anemic. And much blinking obtained. For an old p

Re: [FRIAM] COVID SaO2 at 7k feet

2021-09-27 Thread thompnickson2
Glen, I can't answer your question directly; however, I regularly run blood O2 levels in the mid 90's, but sometimes as low as 89, and nobody blinks an eye. This has always puzzled me because some things I have read treat anything below 93 as a near-death experience. I move UP to santa fe