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Date: Friday, January 11, 2019 at 2:18 PM
To: "friam >> The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group"
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] !RE: A million tech jobs unfilled
It is interesting to see similar if not identical awareness coming from the
likes of you. I'm
Marcus -
In fact, I don't even want my tax revenue to go to parts of the country that I
see as having regressive tendencies.The greater good isn't for the greater
good. For me, I am fine to mainly supporting the people around me who do good
work. I don’t see that as tribal, just the fa
Steve writes:
< She is very suspicious of industry since it
is almost exclusively big-Pharma and is (as a researcher directly, and
by extension in her loyalty to the fundamental research she is involved
in) the victim of *their* voracious nature. As a new parent and
primary
^^^
For what it's worth anecdotly some amount of a lot of jobs get posted for
legal reasons. Acme Co has someone reffered to them, or they are just
moving people around. Either way, they know who they want.
Also their is some amount of chicken and egg: Applying to do Project Lead
or C++ FrameWork o
Marcus -
My own experience at LANL for 27 years (leaving 11 years ago yesterday)
is roughly similar to your own. Having been in the hardscrabble world
of startup/product-development/consulting for the remaining time, there
are things about being "institutionalized" that I miss, but much of w
I think larger companies have more of a structure for more experienced
hands on technical folks — they are called Individual Contributors or ICs.
Sometimes they are also called “Fellows” or “Distinguished Engineers”.
Usually these roles are allotted freedom to contribution based on how they
see val
David writes:
< Reacting to Glen's comments: of that million tech jobs, how many are really
necessary. Speaking only within the context of software development, I am
certain that 70-90 percent of existing jobs and unfilled jobs could be
eliminated. >
< We have known since the seventies that so
Glen writes:
< I interviewed one of his mentors there and, although the model *seems* good,
they're similarly plagued with the grant-writing burden Eric(S) and Pamela
mention. The same seems similar at a company, here called Galois. >
That's my impression of Galois as well, that they do a lot
Reacting to Glen's comments: of that million tech jobs, how many are really
necessary. Speaking only within the context of software development, I am
certain that 70-90 percent of existing jobs and unfilled jobs could be
eliminated.
We have known since the seventies that some individuals are 10
Cross-pollinating threads, as a >50 year old somewhat technical person, I and
my clique have trouble getting and keeping these "tech jobs" because they are
too focused on short-term objectives and tightly pigeon-holed skill sets. I
can almost universally get many of these jobs (or at least land
One consequence of the present situation that will have long term consequences
is even though the amount of research funding in CS is high, universities are
having trouble attracting high quality graduate students, the next generation
of educators. Although this situation has little to do with t
The numbers for tech jobs are all over the place. The one that I have heard
most is 1.5 million, but I have also seen everywhere from 500k to 3
million.
Most of the theories of why this is not because of Trump, but because of
issues with education.
There are not enough people in education teachin
And will remain un-filled for years while "trumpism exists":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgsVE2RBto8
On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 4:55 PM Nick Thompson
wrote:
> Sorry, everybody. Ugh!
>
>
>
> What I meant to write was, *“At least, ask for a RAISE(!)”.* You have no
> idea how envious I am of you
As far as I know google gets a bunch of money from their skunk systems.
addsense, and...
renting what they build to others. They get (for example) their WebBuilding
tools, and Google Pages, Brickly, Cloud, and their (popular?) Google IO
startup assist basically lets someone borrow their staff and h
Yes, I would make the assumption you reject. But Marcus probably agrees with
you, hence his picking at the self-interested fiefdom-building issue. Since I
generally believe people try to do their best, any polymath not committed to
their org would work their way out of that org as soon as fea
Glen -
On 3/16/17 10:18 AM, glen ☣ wrote:
But I'd like to toss some words at your idea of coherence. First Marcus'
distinction would play a role. Polymaths, as long as they're on board with a
specific context, look exactly like specialists. Generalists would have fewer
specific domains in
PE is a little tricky. It's better to look at it relative to earnings
growth. Google market cap is almost 600 billion. If it had the same PE as
Netflix, the total value of its stock (i.e. market cap) would be 180
trillion if I calculated correctly. That might be enough to pay the
national debt.
Kinda weird Google is lowest.
Puzzle: How can the provider of the world's most popular phone OS not
profit from it? Maybe they do but it is small compared to the rest of their
work.
-- Owen
On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 12:31 PM, Frank Wimberly
wrote:
> For comparison:
>
> Google PE > 30
> Amazon
For comparison:
Google PE > 30
Amazon PE > 170
Netflix PE > 330
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On Mar 16, 2017 10:37 AM, "glen ☣" wrote:
> Perhaps it's not beside the point at all. P/E normalizes the price based
> on one frame of mind, which I suppose is whether you can make money off
>
Tolstoy, in War and Peace, would heartily agree.
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I agree wholeheartedly that the difference between a wannabe serial entrpreneur
and an extant one may well be dumb luck. But I don't agree w.r.t. the
difference between the nomadic hippie and the serial entrpreneur (wannabe or
not). That difference lies in what their nose tells them and which
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Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 10:19 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] !RE: A million tech jobs unfilled
Eric does a good job of describing a case where polymaths (and/or generalists)
may be required and both of yo
Perhaps it's not beside the point at all. P/E normalizes the price based on
one frame of mind, which I suppose is whether you can make money off it.
Making money implies a time window and some sort of zero sum bucket of money
(where P goes out and E comes in). But a more objective (perspectiv
Eric does a good job of describing a case where polymaths (and/or generalists)
may be required and both of you are talking about the "sweet spot" (which can
be in a high or low dimensional space). In particular, perhaps there's some
sort of scaling law at work ... perhaps polymaths/generalists
Eric writes:
“Polymaths would presumably be more crucial to a personnel-strapped
organization.”
I’d discriminate between polymaths and generalists. Generalists are able to
move from field to field and contribute in significant ways. Polymaths don’t
need to specialize because they just don’t
A related anecdote, with an attempt to generalize and hypothesize after:
Last year I started working for the Marine Corps, doing data analysis
related to hiring and training, and serving on several committees that make
high-level decisions regarding hiring and classification testing. One thing
that
Steve writes:
"Following your own principle (if I understand you correctly) of diversity,
every organization needs a few polymaths, but too many and it is likely to lose
coherence?"
Polymaths attract people that want to be better and do good work. These
people and those that work with them l
Glen -
I hope I'm not just being argumentative, but I'm not sure of the value
to of an organization of most polymaths? I think my (much) earlier
point about *some of us* on this list being "unemployable" has a
positive correlation with being (one type of?) polymath. Many of us are
self-taug
It's beside the point, but Apple has a low stock price. PE < 17.
Frank
Frank Wimberly
Phone (505) 670-9918
On Mar 15, 2017 6:17 PM, "glen ☣" wrote:
> No, you didn't miss the gist of the thread, which is:
>
> there seem to be all these unfilled tech jobs, but that polymaths don't
> generally g
I don't think the indirectness causes the debilitation of polymaths, in these
organizations. I think it's the opposite, indirection facilitates polymaths.
But I do agree with the idea that it's a balance (sweet spot) in a reduced
space (direct vs indirect). What the buzzwords do (like mathem
No, you didn't miss the gist of the thread, which is:
there seem to be all these unfilled tech jobs, but that polymaths don't
generally get placed/maintained in them unless there's something special about
the organization.
My claim is that individuals within those organizations _make_ the envir
he
sake of growing.
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From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of glen ?
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 2:30 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] !RE: A million tech jobs unfilled
I think you're oversim
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 2:30 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] !RE: A million tech jobs unfilled
I think you're oversimplifying organizations. First, an organization's "stated
mission" isn't even, itself, a simple thing. I
I think you're oversimplifying organizations. First, an organization's "stated
mission" isn't even, itself, a simple thing. If it's a corporation, it has a
charter from the state. We mostly consider that meaningless. But it can be
important as we've seen with Trump and New York. There's ev
Glen writes:
"In the context of this discussion, it strikes me that it might be possible to
build a company that is better at bureaucracy than individual humans."
If you accept the assumption that the other stuff (e.g. bureaucracy) mostly
serves the organization's stated mission, then ok.An
Well, it wouldn't, necessarily ... any more than a computer would ever be
artificially intelligent. But the same argument for AI (namely that computers
are better at some things than humans are) applies to organizations. In the
context of this discussion, it strikes me that it might be possibl
friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of glen ?
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 5:49 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] !RE: A million tech jobs unfilled
That you listed more names than organizations, it seems like the answer is: No.
We still depe
Ooops read to quickly .. "where" is much harder. Sorry! Well I admitted to
not being all that bright!
As for organizations, I can only think of sub-organizations, i.e. Sun's IT
department, believe it or not, was pretty close. Apple? Well the Print Shop
was cool, as well as the entire Lisa project.
That you listed more names than organizations, it seems like the answer is: No.
We still depend on constituents to find/build their own sweet spot
environments.
On 03/14/2017 04:41 PM, Owen Densmore wrote:
> Well, one invented CoffeeScript then got entranced with reporting/info-viz,
> and is c
Well, one invented CoffeeScript then got entranced with reporting/info-viz,
and is currently at NYTimes as both a developer and reporter.
Another invented jQuery, fell in love with both Japanese prints and
education and now is in charge of Khan Academy's education framework.
A third worked with u
Ugh, don't make me agee with the vampire! 8^) It reminds me of one of my pet
peeves: "Safety is job #1." No... the job is job #1. Safety should be
sacrificed in order to achieve the objective. [sigh]
On 03/14/2017 04:10 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> In a big enough organization where there are
Where are they working? The question is whether there are trends in
organizations or are we (still) relying on the constituents of organizations to
maintain these sweet spot environments.
My question is in the same vein as questions about [non]living systems, general
AI, individualist vs. sta
From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of glen ?
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 4:54 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] !RE: A million tech jobs unfilled
Jobs are indistinguishable from degree programs.
On 03/14/2017 03:39 PM, Marcus Da
Oh, and this includes my current work with RedFish, although I'm not quite
as caught up with the advanced linear algebra (Fundamental matrix,
Levenberg–Marquardt algorithm, Jacobian optimization, ...) as I'd like to
be.
On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 5:05 PM, Owen Densmore wrote:
> Boy was I lucky. In
Boy was I lucky. In the three primary jobs I had (Xerox, Apple, Sun)
- I was always hired to solve a problem without a current solution.
- I never had your basic manager, only enablers and I was "boss" of my job,
responsible for it.
- I was always given great new opportunities to do yet more "adv
Jobs are indistinguishable from degree programs.
On 03/14/2017 03:39 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> One thing I'm struck by is how willing some people are to be tasked by
> relatively ignorant or ineffectual people. My guess is that filtering on
> GPA optimizes for this. As far as I can tell,
rom: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Steven A Smith
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 4:13 PM
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As a one-time hiring manager at LANL, this was the bane of my existence... the
riam-boun...@redfish.com] *On
Behalf Of *Owen Densmore
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ive who may be
>>>> stuck in a silo, even while living in Eastern Mass. I would think that
>>>> such a person would take a few months off and do a certificate or a crash
>>>> course somewhere and emerge in another silo, if the opportunity is as great
>>>
tes, “smart,
>>> *flexible* people will always find work.” Is that wrong?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nicholas S. Thompson
>>>
>>> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
>>>
>&g
Fascinating!
So do you think there *are* jobs but the competition is so great that they
are not easily gotten? Or do the employers feel that the local techies are
not up to their standards? Or techies outnumber the jobs? Or there really
aren't enough tech jobs?
-- Owen
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>
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> And where do we send our res
net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/>
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2017 4:59 PM
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be even better in another 20 years if they keep at it.
From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Gary Schiltz
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2017 4:35 PM
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And where do we
And where do we send our resumes? :-)
On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 4:45 PM, Jacqueline Kazil
wrote:
> [...]
>
> Lastly. I will say that one of the best junior developers I hired was
> 55-ish or so. Their loss.
>
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>> as it seems to be. I used to tell my undergraduates, “smart, *flexible*
>> people will always find work.” Is that wrong?
>>
>>
>>
>> Nick
>>
>>
>>
>> Nicholas S. Thompson
>>
>> Emeritus Professor of Psycho
~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>
>
>
> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Owen
> Densmore
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 09, 2017 10:11 AM
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> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] !RE
Yes, it's wrong, in _general_. Perhaps someone's already mentioned it. But
the truth is that "it's not what you know, but who you know". That's always
been the case. E.g. I knew a very technical engineering-oriented (white male),
with a physics degree, working for me in a programming positi
Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] !RE: A million tech jobs unfilled
I don't think you made a mistake, Nick. I think it is easy for the news to make
such a broad statement by simply being very inclusive. *Everybody* needs to be
tech-savvy in any job nowadays.
For me, the more impo
I don't think you made a mistake, Nick. I think it is easy for the news to
make such a broad statement by simply being very inclusive. *Everybody*
needs to be tech-savvy in any job nowadays.
For me, the more important issue is companies making such a loud noise
about their labor force difficulties
rch 05, 2017 9:26 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] !RE: A million tech jobs unfilled
Nick, Where did you get the statistic that there are a million unfilled tech
jobs? A google search (https://goo.gl/UmejPd) leads to these two sites, which
don&
rch 05, 2017 9:26 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] !RE: A million tech jobs unfilled
Nick, Where did you get the statistic that there are a million unfilled tech
jobs? A google search (https://goo.gl/UmejPd) leads to these two sites, which
don&
I think catagorization of "tech" jobs is difficult. This article:
Dear President Trump: Those jobs aren’t coming back, and why would we want
them to?
http://venturebeat.com/2017/02/20/dear-president-trump-those-jobs-arent-coming-back-and-why-would-we-want-them-to/
sez:
The U.S. economy is cravi
Nick, Where did you get the statistic that there are a million unfilled
tech jobs? A google search (https://goo.gl/UmejPd) leads to these two
sites, which don't seem to have that number: https://goo.gl/U73bdN and
https://goo.gl/d4s1El.
On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 5:05 PM Barry MacKichan <
barry.mackic
That’s what I did. Worked out well for me and the boss.
--Barry
On 4 Mar 2017, at 14:55, Nick Thompson wrote:
Or demand that your boss let you work remotely and move here to Santa
Fe where the coffee is good, the air (usually) clean and where you are
never more than ten minutes from the head
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