I hope that AGI does more than merely mimic us. What a waste of literally
millions of $40k GPUs.
From: Friam on behalf of Prof David West
Date: Friday, January 10, 2025 at 1:08 PM
To: friam@redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] narrative
I got all excited, prematurely and incorrectly I am
I got all excited, prematurely and incorrectly I am sure, when I read glen's
post.
But first: *"Is there a name for methodically assembled jury-rigged workflows?"*
Rube Goldbergian comes to mind.
I interpreted parts of this paragraph
**_In my mind, the resilience of "general intelligence" i
So, maybe I'm being contrarian. But we can consider both the paper Eric was
focusing on and this one:
Medical large language models are vulnerable to data-poisoning attacks
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-024-03445-1
But I don't think we really need to. The problem can be boiled down to
Dave, thanks -
I suppose I should have done the (trivial) research... I think the
version I was thinking of was Alan Kay who used the term "invent". I
think I knew of Drucker and I suppose I shouldn't be surprised at
Lincoln but don't think I'd heard of it before!
On 1/9/25 3:34 PM, Prof D
"the best way to predict the future is to create it".
most often attributed to Abraham Lincoln and Peter Drucker.
On Thu, Jan 9, 2025, at 3:06 PM, steve smith wrote:
> Glen -
>
> Very well articulated, the images such as "where the cartoons don't
> weave together well" and "dog catches car" wer
Glen -
Very well articulated, the images such as "where the cartoons don't
weave together well" and "dog catches car" were particularly poignant.
I am reminded of Scott McCloud's maxim about panel cartooning that "all
of the action happens in the gutters".
I'm unclear on your first point re
Yes; wish I could write more, but can’t today. Many hooks in the observations
below.
But the colleague (comp chem) who was pointing me to degeneration-of-model
papers sent me the links he intended. Below:
—
I was referring to the following Nature paper and the associated News&Views
article
OK. In the spirit of analog[y] (or perhaps more accurately "affine" or "running
alongside"), what you and perhaps Steve, cf Hoffstadter, lay out seems to fall squarely into
xAI versus iAI. I grant it's a bit of a false dichotomy, perhaps just for security. But I don't
think so.
I don't see arc
Glen, your timing on these articles was perfect. Just yesterday I was having a
conversation with a computational chemist (but more general polymath) about the
degradation of content from recursively-generated data, and asking him for
review material on quantifying that.
But to Steve’s point be
Why language models collapse when trained on recursively generated text
https://arxiv.org/abs/2412.14872
Without doing more than scanning this doc, I am lead to wonder at just
what the collective human knowledge base (noosphere?) is if not a
recursively generated text? An obvious answer is t
On 1/8/25 10:39 AM, glen wrote:
Yeah, this is the problem with narrative. And the source of my
complaint against science communicators like Huberman (and to some
extent Hossenfelder, less so Collier and Farina). Even deeper, the
source of my complaint against narrativity lies in my problem wit
Yeah, this is the problem with narrative. And the source of my complaint
against science communicators like Huberman (and to some extent Hossenfelder,
less so Collier and Farina). Even deeper, the source of my complaint against
narrativity lies in my problem with visualization, projection, and
flake"!
Helps me ?forgive? all the young tech-bros who helped sweep the
Trumpster Fire back into the Whitehouse. I invited the Reagan-Bush
dynasty into my world (for decades) that way, who knows what this next
decade or two will look like (probably punctuated by the singularity?)
if I
eat-every-year
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> Archaeological study challenges 'paleo' diet narrative of ancient
> hunter–gatherers
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Don't be born a chicken!
https://ourworldindata.org/data-insights/billions-of-chickens-ducks-and-pigs-are-slaughtered-for-meat-every-year
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From: Friam On Behalf Of glen
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Subject: [FRIAM] narr
Archaeological study challenges 'paleo' diet narrative of ancient
hunter–gatherers
https://phys.org/news/2025-01-archaeological-paleo-diet-narrative-ancient.html
Renee' convinced me to eat fried chicken the other night. ... Well, OK. She just put it
in front of me and my omnivorous nature took
On 5/10/19 10:53 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> A false narrative and the absence of continuity (episodic) seem pretty
> similar.
Well, I don't think episodic is absent any (type of) continuity. It seems
piecewise continuous, to me. The high curvature inflection points between
relatively linear s
Glen writes:
"The point is to bend or break the (false) narratives those diachronic people
tell themselves and make them pay closer attention to the facts staring them in
the face. And AA does that for some people."
A false narrative and the absence of continuity (episodic) seem pretty
simila
I'm not sure what you're describing is well-described with an -ism, i.e.
individualism. Most individualists, it seems to me, are *actually* very
socially dependent creatures. They're deluded into thinking they're self-made
or independent from the infrastructure around them. But in their actual
Glen writes:
"All this running around, apologizing for their drunken behavior, trying to
make amends, relinquishing the control/guilt/self-made-myth, etc. has
completely distorted, if not broken, their previous (self-centered) narrative.
In that sense, AA is like any other (authentic) Christian
So, your anecdotal evidence suggests the article is wrong and that AA does NOT
bend their narrative far enough? ... that their spiritual experience of
surrendering to a "higher power" is too wimpy to have a liberating effect?
If so, I think I can safely disagree. While it's true that some fracti
ttp://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
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To: FriAM
Subject: [FRIAM] Narrative bending
In light of the news from Denver:
<https://ballot
In light of the news from Denver:
https://ballotpedia.org/Denver,_Colorado,_Initiated_Ordinance_301,_Psilocybin_Mushroom_Initiative_(May_2019)
And coming off our recent discussions of phase transitions, narrativity,
experts' tendency to dig in under failure, etc, I found this essay interesting:
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