Re: [FRIAM] datum vs. data

2011-08-24 Thread glen e. p. ropella
Marcos wrote circa 11-08-24 01:12 PM: > you've > seemed to eliminated all the personal Glen-as-memeplex set of > possibilities. The only thing that remains then is genetics, yes? Well, "eliminated" is a strong word. ;-) I have 3 good suggestions: 1) Greg's "it's adopted by standards groups", whi

Re: [FRIAM] datum vs. data

2011-08-24 Thread Marcos
> Seriously?  What types of genetically caused idiosyncrasies have you found. Sorry, I guess I'm being a little sloppy. But informally, (what did Sherlock Holmes say: "If you eliminate all the impossibilities, whatever remains, however improbable, MUST be the truth."), you've seemed to eliminate

Re: [FRIAM] datum vs. data

2011-08-24 Thread glen e. p. ropella
Marcos wrote circa 11-08-23 06:48 PM: > On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 8:53 AM, glen e. p. ropella > wrote: >>> Hypothesis: you are Greek in ancestry and the old disagreement with >>> the Romans at Sparta is making your biology *refuse* the adoption of >>> Roman linguistic conventions. >> >> Ha! Yes!

Re: [FRIAM] datum vs. data

2011-08-23 Thread Marcos
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 8:53 AM, glen e. p. ropella wrote: >> Hypothesis:  you are Greek in ancestry and the old disagreement with >> the Romans at Sparta is making your biology *refuse* the adoption of >> Roman linguistic conventions. > > Ha!  Yes!  That must be it. It sounds funny, but I've act

Re: [FRIAM] datum vs. data

2011-08-23 Thread glen e. p. ropella
Marcos wrote circa 11-08-22 08:16 PM: > Hypothesis: you are Greek in ancestry and the old disagreement with > the Romans at Sparta is making your biology *refuse* the adoption of > Roman linguistic conventions. Ha! Yes! That must be it. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-222-9095, http://tempusdictum

Re: [FRIAM] datum vs. data

2011-08-22 Thread Marcos
On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 10:07 AM, glen e. p. ropella wrote: > To some extent.  Unfortunately, I've ended up believing that we are > defined by our environment.  Of course, there's (at least) a transience > to the effect of any cause.  The genes we're born with have a very long > transient. [grin]

Re: [FRIAM] datum vs. data

2011-08-22 Thread glen e. p. ropella
Greg Sonnenfeld wrote circa 11-08-20 06:27 PM: > It really seems an issue of what standards body or dialect you decide > to choose as proper. To some extent. Unfortunately, I've ended up believing that we are defined by our environment. Of course, there's (at least) a transience to the effect of

Re: [FRIAM] datum vs. data

2011-08-20 Thread Robert Holmes
The subject is discussed in depth here: http://purl.org/nxg/note/singular-data The conclusion? "The data is in: it is massive, and it is singular." —R FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's

Re: [FRIAM] datum vs. data

2011-08-20 Thread ERIC P. CHARLES
Glen, I have this problem too, but before your post had not thought about how localized a problem it is. Having thought about this for a few days, I have a hypothesis you might find more satisfying: The reason you often use 'data' as a singular noun is because you are often referring to (or thinki

Re: [FRIAM] datum vs. data

2011-08-20 Thread Greg Sonnenfeld
> Well, that might be an indirect cause for my bad behavior, I suppose. I > could say that "So many of my colleagues do it that it's only natural > that I would do it sporadically as well, even if I'm trying not to do > it." > >What makes "data" trickier than those others? Well here are somet

Re: [FRIAM] datum vs. data

2011-08-20 Thread glen e. p. ropella
Greg Sonnenfeld wrote circa 11-08-19 10:33 AM: > Data is now accepted as a mass noun by most computing organizations > including those in IEEE. I remember having a long debate about this at > Ames in regards to a publication. Well, that might be an indirect cause for my bad behavior, I suppose. I

Re: [FRIAM] datum vs. data

2011-08-19 Thread Bruce Sherwood
I'm amused/bemused by the history of the word "atom", from the Greek meaning not (a-) cuttable (tom, as in tomography). The 19th-century scientists who used the word knew Greek, so for them the word itself was presumably perceived as two components, a-tom, but the object itself was deemed indivisib

Re: [FRIAM] datum vs. data

2011-08-19 Thread Eric Smith
Ah, Nick, each choice is buggered no matter which way one turns. That eternal torment seems to be the crucible that makes it impossible for language ever to rest. The voiced-syllable-initial-th at the beginning of this, that, and the other (_not_ "thing") is a characteristic of the function wor

Re: [FRIAM] datum vs. data

2011-08-19 Thread Nicholas Thompson
n "Each to ter own taste." I sort of liked it, but it never caught on... even in Ms Mag. Nick -Original Message- From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Greg Sonnenfeld Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 1:33 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Co

Re: [FRIAM] datum vs. data

2011-08-19 Thread Greg Sonnenfeld
Data is now accepted as a mass noun by most computing organizations including those in IEEE. I remember having a long debate about this at Ames in regards to a publication. Greg Sonnenfeld "Junior programmers create simple solutions to simple problems. Senior progra

[FRIAM] datum vs. data

2011-08-19 Thread glen e. p. ropella
I'm looking for a little psychological insight, here. Why do I so often screw up the subject verb agreement with the word "data"? I know data is plural... but "datum" is so rare ... and a bit pretentious ... and, unless you get down to an atomic "bit", any "datum" is probably "data" if you crack